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Bulking w/ Slow Burners

w8lifter

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I'm get a lot of questions on how to add LBM w/o BF. Bulking or cutting, I use slow burning carbohydrates. The basic concept is to consume fat and fiber to slow insulin flow and avoid fat storage. Then, rather than trying to oxidize fat as we do in cutting, we provide the body with enough slow burning carbs to fuel it's metabolism (in balance with fat calories), which in turn spares protein for muscle synthesis! GROW MORE MUSCLE, STORE LESS FAT!!

Men's Bulk

This is the program is for a 180# guy with a fast metabolism going to 195 in 5 weeks!

Supps:

Multi with meal one
10 grams of creatine a day
5 grams of glutamine before training/ 10 grams after

Oil mix equals 1/2 flax and 1/2 safflower
Oatmeal is always old fashion (slow cooking)

Meal #1
2 whole eggs + 4 egg whites
6 - 8 oz. 93% lean beef or chicken
½ - 3/4 cup oatmeal before cooking
1 TBS Flax Oil (or oil mix)

Meal #2
Protein Drink: 2-3 Scoops Protein, 4-6 TBS whipping
cream, and 12-18-oz water
½ banana or 4 frozen strawberries

Meal #3
8 - 10 oz. chicken (before cooking)
6 - 8 oz. sweet potato or 1/2 ??? 1 cup cooked rice
2 cups vegetables (broccoli, etc.)

Meal #4
Protein Drink: 2-3 Scoops Protein Powder, 4-6 TBS whipping
cream, and 12-18-oz water
½ banana or 4 frozen strawberries)

Meal #5
8 - 10 oz. sirloin steak or lean meat
2 cups vegetables
6 oz potato
1 TBS Flax Oil (or oil mix)

Meal #6 (Non Training Days)
10 -oz chicken breast, 2 cups vegetables;
Or: 3 Scoops protein powder, 6 TBS whipping cream, 20-oz water

Meal #6 (Training Days)
1.5 cups cooked rice, 10 oz sweet potato,
1 banana, 1 cup vegetables, 1 TBS Butter or Peanut Butter

DRINK 6-8 QUARTS A DAY!

Women's Bulk

Take a few days and work into this, up calories gradually!

Supps: Multi with meal one, 5 grams glutamine before training, 5 grams after, and 5 grams of creatine a day after loading

NO CARDIO, NO THERMOS for 5 weeks!

Meal #1
4 oz chicken or turkey breast
4 egg whites, 1 yolk
1/2 cup (measured before cooking) oatmeal

Meal #2
Protein Drink: 12-oz water, 2 scoops Protein powder
3 TBS heavy cream or 1 tbs oil blend and 4 strawberries or 1/2 banana


Meal #3
6 oz chicken breast
2 cups salad
2 TBS Paul Newman???s Oil & Vinegar dressing
6 oz sweet potato or 3/4 cup of rice

Meal #4
6 oz chicken breast
1 cup vegetables or

2 scoop protein powder, 12 oz watwr 3 tbl cream or 1 tbs oil blend, 1/2 banana or 4 frozen strawbwerries

Meal #5
6 oz lean beef or chicken
1-cup vegetables
2 tsp Flax Oil
6 oz sweet potato or 3/4 cup of rice

Meal #6 except Sunday and Wednesday, shake like meals 2 and 4

Sunday and Wednesday have - a cup of oatmeal, 6-oz sweet potato, 4-oz banana, and 1-cup vegetables as a 6th meal.

Drink 1.5 gallons water daily

DP

p.s This would actually work as a cut for some above 150-160# who have a decent metabolism



Just a note on mini-cycles

The idea is for shorter bulks and cuts, ultimately leading to the same goal, more LBM! Whereas an Old School BB may bulk for 3-4 months of more depending on whether he is doing one or more contests a year! This usually results in 20-60 pounds being gained with a substantial amount of BF!

The BB then cuts for 12-16 weeks and ends up with a net gain of 10 pounds of LBM for 6-8 months work! (sometimes a year)

A mini cycle approach maintains a lower level of BF year round, requiring shorter diet cycles to sharpen up the physique!

Depending on the metabolism, a person might bulk for 3-5 weeks and gain 8-10 pounds, some BF but not much! He/she then cuts for 2-3 weeks or whatever it takes to lower that little bit of BF accummulation from the bulk, losing 3-5 pounds. The net result is a LBM gain of 3-5 pounds or whatever the goal may be!

Do that several times during the year, never allowing your BF to go too high, and you reach the same place, plus 10 or more pounds of LBM!

It is an individualistic thing! Slower metabolisms require longer cuts shorter bulks, and vice versa!
 
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This brings up a few questions.

1. My metabolism has slowed considerably in the last few years due to a more sedentary job and age. What should I change in the diet to compensate for a slower metabolism?

2. Can safflower or peanut oil be used as a substitute for whipping cream? If so, how much? Lack of refrigeration capacity where I work is a problem.
 
More info from Dr. Pain!

We had a thirteen day weigh-in after the start of this diet, and the man I placed on this, who has now started to add whole milk to his shakes, (went to a whole banana last week) gained 9 pounds from 177 to 186. His BF has not changed much, he still has some abs and is approx 9%

The woman, has gained 3 pounds from 136 to 139. recently she squatted 245, a new record for her!

These programs are clean, and green. Both our little bulkers have set numerous strength PR's in the last 10 days!
 
Originally posted by Rob_NC
This brings up a few questions.

1. My metabolism has slowed considerably in the last few years due to a more sedentary job and age. What should I change in the diet to compensate for a slower metabolism?

This is a Dr. Pain question, butt in the meantime, you can read this for natural metabolism boosters!

2. Can safflower or peanut oil be used as a substitute for whipping cream? If so, how much? Lack of refrigeration capacity where I work is a problem.

Yes, fats are interchangeable (generally speaking of course). 1 tbsp of flax, olive, safflower, etc.....(~15 grams of fat) = 3 tbsp heavy whipping cream....(5 g fat each tbsp).

Interesting!
 
Originally posted by Rob_NC
This brings up a few questions.

1. My metabolism has slowed considerably in the last few years due to a more sedentary job and age. What should I change in the diet to compensate for a slower metabolism?

Not usually a question that belongs on a bulking post, but this helps explain the beauty and flexibility of the progam!

First, programs are always designed for the indidvdiual, and there are always many ways (paths) to achieve goals!

So intial questions are usually :

Your stats, age, height, weight BF%, somatotype, genetics (parents)

Your goals
Training
Metabolism
Current meal plan and macronutrient totals
ETC

Next , and this partially answers your question, we rely on meal frequency and macronutrient content to control the rate of bulk, insulin surges, and minimize fat accummulation! We can speed up or compensate for a slow metabolism this way.

We actually do the same on a cut, we use frequency, portions and content.

If you care to answer thr questions, I can demonstrate.

DP
 
Meal #6 (Training Days)
1.5 cups cooked rice, 10 oz sweet potato,
1 banana, 1 cup vegetables, 1 TBS Butter or Peanut Butter

should this meal be eaten post workout?
 
Can be, or as meal 6 before bed. Depends when you train. :D

You must have somewhat of a smokin metabolism to do this, also having followed the other meals strictly so that you are in a glycogen depleted state.


DP
 
Originally posted by Phobia
Wow W8, you know alot about cooking!
How do you remember it all! :scratch: :bow:

Thanks but, everything in this thread comes from my better half :D
 
W8~DP...............

For what BW is the woman's bulk diet for? How would I need to adjust this for the winter bulk?
 
Leslie, that was designed for a trainer named Paris.....some here from ABC have seen her pictures. She used it Pre-cut for an NPC BB show, went from 126 to 142 on it. :D It should work fine for you (and w8), just control the carb-ups. :D


DP
 
When does a "cheat meal" play in the bulk? I want to bulk this winter with one cheat meal per week, or I will go bonkers!:grin:
What do you recommend?
 
DP - when you say to "control the carb ups" does that just refer to portions of the twice weekly carb up at meal #6? Thanks!
 
Originally posted by Leslie2196
When does a "cheat meal" play in the bulk? I want to bulk this winter with one cheat meal per week, or I will go bonkers!:grin:
What do you recommend?

I recommend you w8 till we give you your final meal plan :D ...which includes a cheat meal :D
 
Originally posted by w8lifter


I recommend you w8 till we give you your final meal plan :D ...which includes a cheat meal :D


LOL, ok:D you know me, always planning ahead LOL;)
Thx W8!
 
Originally posted by nikegurl
DP - when you say to "control the carb ups" does that just refer to portions of the twice weekly carb up at meal #6? Thanks!

Because of the "other" slow burners that are now incliuded in the daily meal plan......a highly IR person has to watch "herself" and stay in control! :D :D (only carb when needed)


DP
 
Ok, I am thinking of trying thesem mini-bulks/cuts. I have had a hard time increasing strenth though. I've gained 30lbs since last summer, and some is muscle, cuz I can see it, but I also have noticed an unwanted increase in fat...I have stuck to a pretty good diet, hopefully these will work! I need to get stronger!!!
 
yeah, it sefenitly does work.......I am bulking with slow burners right now....wll, actually I just started a mini cut. I had bulked for about 10weeks and gained some good size with a small, or I should say smaller, amount of fat increase than if I just ate whatever I wanted.
 
No, I don't do cardio.lol

I don't do ECA either. I just straight up cut.
 
Hello, This is my first time on here im from London.

I'm trying to bulk-up but im not sure I'm doing the right things.

Meal 1, oatmeal, EAS simply protein, 1 apple and glutamaine, flax oil multi vits

Meal 2, oatmeal, EAS gain and flax

Meal 3, chicken breast, sweet potato green beans + flax

Meal 4, as above with EAS gain

Meal 5, EAS gain and 1 apple

Meal 6, chicken breast, sweet potato, green beans and yoghurt

Meal 7, met-rex, flax, glutamine and vit C

Can anyone tell me if this is ok for bulking up?
 
It looks very good! :thumb: My only question would the how much per meal are you getting and what are your macros for the day. Also what are your stats? :)
 
Your Protein, Carbs, Fats etc. :)
 
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