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Bullshit Myths?
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I'd say that saying the BB bench gets 100% stimulation of the chest is BS. Saying that you do NOT need to shock your muscles is BS. That person obviously doesn't understand what is truly meant by the term. He's saying that every single exercise you do for a muscle is exactly the same basically. He can't be any more incorrect. There are several exercises that can all work the same muscle with varying intensities and in much different ways.
How are they getting those percentages? I have a feeling that EMG tests are the only source for those numbers, or maybe even something less scientific. Maybe their rating system is accurate, but I would have to know how they came up with those numbers before I just blindly accepted the information as fact.
well would you look at that... flys and incline are around 50% ... guess ill just toss them outta my routine and replace them with flat BB press.
I have seen myth #3 on this board about a thousand times.... is there anyone who thinks its a myth?! Although it does bring up a good point by saying your muscle contracts the same way no matter what you do...
edit: could someone nullify myth #3 for me?
I have seen myth #3 on this board about a thousand times.... is there anyone who thinks its a myth?! Although it does bring up a good point by saying your muscle contracts the same way no matter what you do...
edit: could someone nullify myth #3 for me?
this article seems like bullshit too
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/training-fitness/build-bigger-arms.htm
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/training-fitness/build-bigger-arms.htm
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ST240 said:
haha add an inch on your arms in three workouts LMFAO thats worst then FLEX mag!
ST240 said:
I actually agree with myth #3 on some level. No matter how much you change the exercises you do, the real overriding factor in making your muscles grow and/or get stronger is by overloading them. This can be done by increasing resistance or increasing the amount of work done (More repetitions, more repetitions in less time, etc.).
This doesn't mean you shouldn't use a variety of exercises in your routine, if for no other reason than to stave off boredom. As well, you have to consider neural factors. Although your muscles don't know the difference between movements, your brain does. This, in turn, can have an impact on how efficiently your body uses certain muscles for the movement in question.
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I have seen EMG test results before and they don't match. They have all said that DB benches stimulate more fibers than BB benches, so I have no idea where the numbers come from for this particular 'study.'CowPimp said:
I dont' agree with the percentages. To many variables come into play. I didn't read the whole thing.
- Decline Barbell Bench Press 96.9% 
Decline press works out your ears better than your freakin chest.
Decline press works out your ears better than your freakin chest.
It's from flex magazine.HardTrainer said:
dAMvN said:- Decline Barbell Bench Press 96.9%
Decline press works out your ears better than your freakin chest.
What are you talking about? Decline pressing stimulates your chest plenty...
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Actually according to EMG results decline works better than flat or incline, but that's EMG results speaking.
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So are you saying that, in your opinion, decline is the best?
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I'm not saying I do either; I'm just saying that in all the EMG tests I've seen, the decline BB bench gives the chest the most stimulation.
LOL!! rookies, bro relax I know a thing or 2 about chest and Decline is not even in Bodybuilders routines. LOL u fools, Incline is the most important chest next to flys then flat bench. goes to show that u lil rookies dont know jack.
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Apparently you don't know about the chest. Also, what does it matter what's in a bodybuilder's routine? Does that change how the human body behaves? No. Furthermore, you can't just generalize that no bodybuilders use decline presses in their routines. I guarantee you will find plenty of bodybuilders that use the movement. There are several on these very forums that are quite a bit larger than either of us (Since that seems to make you think they know more) and incorporate decline presses into their routine.
Oh yeah, and guess what? Decline pressing involves transverse flexion of the shoulder. The chest is one of the primary movers used to achieve this.
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well i don't know what relative overload intensity is really, and like CP said how the fuck do you measure that?
another thing is, you can never overload 100% of your muscles because you wouldn't be able to move, literally. Its very well known that strength gains are a product of your CNS stimulating more motor units and increasing the firing rate of them (rate coding i believe its called). i don't understand how they got those numbers or what they were measuring.
Myth 1
i agree but that article makes you think you NEED big muscles to get stronger, faster. that is plain wrong and most athletes do athletic stuff like plyo's, conditioning work, strength work, power, balance and even strongman stuff. Don't remember seeing Tiki Barber doing curls in that SI video posted recently. So i agree, somewhat.
Myth 2
i obviously agree.
Myth 3
i agree to an extent. he is only really giving two variables that you can change. i don't agree with the retarded BB'er bullshit of 'shock' techniques like he describes. but certain variables of training should be modified (load is out because strength gain isn't linear, you will hit plateaus) because your body really does look for the easiest way out so something like a higher frequency routine if you've been doing a typical BB'er 1x/week split could potentially stimulate some growth.
another thing is, you can never overload 100% of your muscles because you wouldn't be able to move, literally. Its very well known that strength gains are a product of your CNS stimulating more motor units and increasing the firing rate of them (rate coding i believe its called). i don't understand how they got those numbers or what they were measuring.
Myth 1
i agree but that article makes you think you NEED big muscles to get stronger, faster. that is plain wrong and most athletes do athletic stuff like plyo's, conditioning work, strength work, power, balance and even strongman stuff. Don't remember seeing Tiki Barber doing curls in that SI video posted recently. So i agree, somewhat.
Myth 2
i obviously agree.
Myth 3
i agree to an extent. he is only really giving two variables that you can change. i don't agree with the retarded BB'er bullshit of 'shock' techniques like he describes. but certain variables of training should be modified (load is out because strength gain isn't linear, you will hit plateaus) because your body really does look for the easiest way out so something like a higher frequency routine if you've been doing a typical BB'er 1x/week split could potentially stimulate some growth.
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Us little rookies. Youve got balls coming in here and calling all of us "fools" and "rookies" and saying we "dont know jack". If youve got a point to illustrate or a fact youd like to point out, please, by all means do so in an appropriate fashion. Until you learn how to do that please keep your ignorant posts to yourself.
I was talking to Squagglbugger and cowcrap. Decline sucks for chest bro its a fact. Dont waste your time on it. Its more shoulders than anything else. why would you wana waste 3-4 sets on a decline bench? When I remeber you saying theres no way to isolate your chest... hmmm so I guess you just say things to try and make me look dumb. Look im not the one with the lil holocaust survior body. But your b/s could throw many ppl off. I'm just talking from exp and obviously your not because look at your chest. I'm trying to help people with my personal exp (little it is) but im talking the truth. Ask anyone thats big in the gym, they rather be caught jacking off in the gym bathroom then doing sets on a decline bench.
Why don't you ask Mudge how he feels about decline presses....And if I were you, I would watch what you say about him too, he would eat someone your size for breakfast...dAMvN said:
17 and 2months into my training. And I dont give false adivce like cow guy here.P-funk said:people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I've always advised declines for the PL'r who is lacking TRI or lockout strength
I will also say the same thing about weighted dips
And I personally have gained "some" overall bench power from adding declines
to my split somewhere
(How could more ROM higher volume training hurt you?)
I will also say the same thing about weighted dips
And I personally have gained "some" overall bench power from adding declines
to my split somewhere
(How could more ROM higher volume training hurt you?)
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dAMvN said:
He gives some good advice that he backs up with science and things that he is studying. I'll said it before and I'll say it again "anecdotal evidence is not good enough to base an argument on.". Plus, your arguments are all followed with personal attacks. And by the way, that quote wasn't refering to the information that you give.
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dAMvN said:
Totally agree! It's like a child telling an old man the meaning of life from a piece of literature they read!
nice to see we can all get our ideas across in a friendly manner.
you guys may be right or wrong about decline BB, but coming from a family of doctors, and being one myself, i gurantee you that if you can hit a muscle fiber from a different angle while maintaining a comfortable position, you SHOULD.
I'll tell you what you also shouldn't do, generalize that decline BB is a waste of time just b/c you heard some "guru" talking about it, regardless, I get max pump from declines, so I will continue to do them no matter what a test or others might say. we're all different.....you know.....
now watch, some guy's gonna take everything i've said (i'd like to think its logical), and throw it back in my face.....i welcome it.
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immigrant
you guys may be right or wrong about decline BB, but coming from a family of doctors, and being one myself, i gurantee you that if you can hit a muscle fiber from a different angle while maintaining a comfortable position, you SHOULD.
I'll tell you what you also shouldn't do, generalize that decline BB is a waste of time just b/c you heard some "guru" talking about it, regardless, I get max pump from declines, so I will continue to do them no matter what a test or others might say. we're all different.....you know.....
now watch, some guy's gonna take everything i've said (i'd like to think its logical), and throw it back in my face.....i welcome it.
peace,
immigrant
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