Burn The Fat book?

[sli]

hey all,

wondering if ne one has followed that Tom Venuto book, and if so, are these results people are attaining typical?? I've actually heard some great things about the book. Lookin to get a copy for me and a friend for the holidays....Worth IT? Just Wonderin.

thx,
sli

 

[greekblondechic]

I was actually wondering the same exact thing..

 

[katie64]

I have the online e-book, I think it's awesome, tons of useful information, I think it's definitely worth it

 

[zenreich6005]

great book. very old school tho. hes a guy who believes in a lot of hardwork...cant blame him, tho, look at his body!

 

[Jodi]

Its just a typical 40/40/20 diet. He has some good points but nothing that can't be found in this forum.

Prince hates when I say that

 

[Determination]

Its just a typical 40/40/20 diet.

I don't see how you could have read it in its entirety and say this.

Because first of all, the baseline for BFFM is 50/30/20

And second of all, it's not an anything diet. It teaches you all the basics of the bodybuilding lifestyle to reach your personal fitness goals.

One of the aspects is nutrition, and one of the aspects of nutrition taught are macronutient ratios and 40/40/20 is one of the ones highlighted as a moderate carb diet, and it is thoroghouly explained, pro's, con's and how to successfuly pull it off.

I really doubt you've read the book, you seem really smart and there's no way your comprehensive skills could be that poor.

 

[Akateros]

He has some good points but nothing that can't be found in this forum.

That is very true, but it's all neatly in one place, and you don't have to wade through a zillion threads with a bunch of people chit-chatting in between the useful stuff to get what you need.

Anyway, it isn't "just" that diet; he's very big on tweaking to your individual needs, and he gives examples of shifting ratios accordingly.

He is very anti-low-carb though.

I like the book. I think it's pretty sensible, and reasonably bullshit-free. I found it very helpful.

 

[Determination]

I wouldnt' say he's "very anti-low carb"

It's just that he doesn't think it's something people should do for prolongued periods of time. He thinks it should be used only for short stints where maximum results are needed like pre-contesnt or if someone just has to drop so and so weight for an event or whatever.

He also mentions it as an option for plateu blasting and for those that are inherently carb sensitive

That's just sensible thinking in my book. The low carb hype is way overdone, most people don't need to go low carb to see great results. Like he says, if you get the fundamentals down pat, then a low carb diet merely becomes a weapon in your arsenal in case you ever need to go that rout

 

[Jodi]

I don't see how you could have read it in its entirety and say this.

Because first of all, the baseline for BFFM is 50/30/20

And second of all, it's not an anything diet. It teaches you all the basics of the bodybuilding lifestyle to reach your personal fitness goals.

One of the aspects is nutrition, and one of the aspects of nutrition taught are macronutient ratios and 40/40/20 is one of the ones highlighted as a moderate carb diet, and it is thoroghouly explained, pro's, con's and how to successfuly pull it off.

I really doubt you've read the book, you seem really smart and there's no way your comprehensive skills could be that poor.

Excuse me.............Please don't not ever assume my knowledge or that I haven't read the book or say my skills are poor. That is poor behaviour on your part to say such things.

I read the book and I've said before its great for beginners but not worth the money for people that are advanced.
BTW - he further explains that a more agressive approach is 40/40/20. But maybe you didn't read it thoroughly because the baseline is actually 55% Carbs 30% Protein and 15% Fat.

 

[Akateros]

His idea of "low-carb" though is a gram of carb/pound of bodyweight. As you say, sensible. There are other essays of his around where he rants against keto and Atkins type diets. (Sounds as though he personally does really badly on them, which I can relate to.)

 

[Determination]

Excuse me.............Please don't not ever assume my knowledge or that I haven't read the book or say my skills are poor. That is poor behaviour on your part to say such things.

I assumed you were smart because of what I can tell from your posts (if anything, take it as a complement), so I figured you couldn't have possibly have read the book in its entirety and make the remark you did.

I read the book and I've said before its great for beginners but not worth the money for people that are advanced.

I agree with that, but

You said it was "just a 40/40/20 diet"

when:

1. It's not a diet

2. He very much stresses individualization of EVERYTHING, including macro's. If you would go to the bottom of of page 149, you would see he clearly states 50-55/30-35/20-15 as the starting point for the bffm program. And even then he states (as he does a million times) that it is something that must be customized from then on and that those are simply to be used as a guide for those that don't know where to begin so then they can go on to figure what what is best for them

So I can clearly see why Prince hates it when you make a statement like that

because it's wrong

this isn't an attack on you in any way, but your statement was way off.

 

[Jodi]

No my statement wasn't way off, the book is basic. There are much more advanced books out there than this one and typically I would not recommend it for people that have really read into the posts at this site. That's why Prince hates when I say that because he makes money every time someone buys it not because I said it was a 40/40/20 diet

The stickies at the top of this forum contain much of this same info and more because there are other diets than just this one listed. Different strokes for different folks.

It's great for beginners that I will not deny. Yes this a diet, everything is a diet when it comes to nutrition.

 

[Determination]

that would be accurate if the first chapter of the book wasn't dedicated to goal setting and its application to all aspects of life

and if it didn't have chapters dedicated to cardio, weight lifting, explaining the basics of nutrition in general, dispelling falsities in the bodybuilding and supplement industries, etc, etc, etc.

it's an overall program within itself. A complete lifestyle change...not just in one's eating habits. And it doesn't prespcribe to any one way of doing things outside the fundamentals...it very much stresses individualization.

And you make it sound as if there's nobody between the "expert" and the "beginner"

All of those in between those 2 categories could also greatly benefit from the book

I was one of those that knew a little bit. Yes the book educated me, but the biggest thing I got out of it is that it actually got me going. It motivated me to make the lifestyle change.

You can gather all the information in the world...it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it to use. That's one of the biggest problems out there. First is ignorance, and second is lack of motivation/drive to pull it all together and do something positive with yourself.

If BFFM were just a diet, I wouldn't be who I am today...that is very vague I know. But I figured if the facts about the book wont' swade you, then maybe a little personal experience might.

 

[Jodi]

I think that is wonderful. Good for you It's great to see people make the change in their lifestyles. Congratulations.

I just hate to see people spend money when its not always needed. Everyday people are swayed to spend money on supps and miracles and so on and if you don't know any better the advertisments for this book make it sound like its new revelation to fat loss and its the end all be all. Well its not. It's a plan with basic concepts on dieting and training so for those that want these concepts all in one PDF and want to spend the money then great. For those that think they are missing out on not having the book, well they are not.

Again, congrats.

 

[Determination]

I completely see where you're coming from and I myself are turned off with how the book is advertised

you won't find a review of it that's not on a website with a direct link to buy it...that almost kept me from shelling out the money for it, specially since I'm very skeptical when it comes to these things

but that's no reason to go off base and make a misleading statement (yes i still don't think what you said was right )

and of course it's just the basics

but in reality that's what most people need. It's silly, but people now think they need supplements to get any results whatsoever. They'll go out and spend 35 bucks on a bottle of hydroxycut yet their diet and training's all out of whack. That's if they have looked into those areas in the first place.

I think the biggest thing it's got going for it is that it's all the information you need to get started in one source. That may not sound like much for one that already knows all the basics or has more advanced education, but for people that spend hours searching the internet for info

that is a HUGE deal. Because most people that do that end up confused.

Let's be real, most people don't know how to educate and motivate themselves. That's why having one source of reference is important and in fact a key factor it all works.

I wouldn't recommend buying multiple copies unless you personally feel like making tom richer, though. You can split the cost with whoever else is interested and simply print multiple copies or just pass it along...no biggie...unless you're Tom of course, heh

 

[Jodi]

My statement was not misleading. Me saying it was a typical diet is not a misleading statement, its the truth. My statement was just blunt, uninformative and I did not explain myself well. But I'll still sleep ok tonight

Personally, I find this board to be motivational. Everyone is here to support each other and help out through competitions or just someone looking to lead a healthy lifestlye. You can also ask any question and most likely one of us here knows the answer. This, you cannot get out of a book.

 

[Determination]

I for one think a forum like this is of greater help once one is already educated and needs extra help tweaking things and the like

think of it as a "supplement"...a great one. It does all those things you mentioned.

But think of all the people that come on here having absolutely no clue

they would be much better off educating themselves first by reading an informational and motivational book than by asking people here "what should I eat?!!?!"

 

[SPIKE1257]

I for one think a forum like this is of greater help once one is already educated and needs extra help tweaking things and the like

think of it as a "supplement"...a great one. It does all those things you mentioned.

But think of all the people that come on here having absolutely no clue

they would be much better off educating themselves first by reading an informational and motivational book than by asking people here "what should I eat?!!?!"

DAMN, YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD

 

[sara]

Personally, I find this board to be motivational. Everyone is here to support each other and help out through competitions or just someone looking to lead a healthy lifestlye. You can also ask any question and most likely one of us here knows the answer. This, you cannot get out of a book.

 

[Jeff98]

Excuse me.............Please don't not ever assume my knowledge or that I haven't read the book or say my skills are poor. That is poor behaviour on your part to say such things.

I read the book and I've said before its great for beginners but not worth the money for people that are advanced.
BTW - he further explains that a more agressive approach is 40/40/20. But maybe you didn't read it thoroughly because the baseline is actually 55% Carbs 30% Protein and 15% Fat.

Apparently, nobody has actually read the book.

On page 149, it states "The starting point for an effective fat-burning and muscle-building diet, often called a
"baseline diet" is 50-55% carbs, 30% protein, and 15-20% fat."

 

[nikegurl]

huh?

Jodi's last sentence which you quoted concludes "the baseline is actually 55% carbs, 30% protein and 15% fat."

so - what was your point?

 

[zenreich6005]

"Personally, I find this board to be motivational. Everyone is here to support each other and help out through competitions or just someone looking to lead a healthy lifestlye. You can also ask any question and most likely one of us here knows the answer. This, you cannot get out of a book."


yes this board is motivational., but u can also get motivated by reading this book. in my opinion, thats what the book is best at. i read it and it made me wanna get off my ass, stop bulking, and start cutting up some real muscle. the information in it...well...its very straightforward and logical, nothing amazing, but venuto makes you want to do it! so dont say that this book cant motivate you!

 

[sara]

the book might be motivational.. but I think talking to people "humans" is more motivational

 

[trHawT]

No my statement wasn't way off, the book is basic. There are much more advanced books out there than this one and typically I would not recommend it for people that have really read into the posts at this site. That's why Prince hates when I say that because he makes money every time someone buys it not because I said it was a 40/40/20 diet

The stickies at the top of this forum contain much of this same info and more because there are other diets than just this one listed. Different strokes for different folks.

It's great for beginners that I will not deny. Yes this a diet, everything is a diet when it comes to nutrition.

Hey, Jodi, or anyone.

What are some good "advanced" books on macronutrient rotations/manipulation, etc?
I get bored sometimes and often want to read a book instead of a magazine.
Thanks!

 

[Determination]

There really isn't all that much to macro's...you simply adjust to your goals/needs or to how you think your body is responding

The books does cover carb/calorie cycling and tapering in detail as well. The cycling methods aren't as "advanced" as you'll find on the net, but again, you can adjust yourself.

For example, the carb/calorie cycle on BFFM is 3 days in, one out...you'll find plenty of plans on the net that have you at different calorie and carb quantities each day, but at the end of the week they total to the same. All in the name of keeping the body guessing

I think a good thing to do is go read up on the science behind these concepts. Tom does a great job of breaking things down, but because of the style of the book, he never goes into the "boring scientific stuff"

"Burn the fat, don't starve it" didn't TRULY sink in until I read about the thyroid for example.

 

[trHawT]

Cool, cool. I know the basics, but looking for the "advanced" books out there.

 

[Jeff98]

huh?

Jodi's last sentence which you quoted concludes "the baseline is actually 55% carbs, 30% protein and 15% fat."

so - what was your point?

Sorry, I had not read the entire thread when I posted. I'll be more careful next time.

I was just funny how SO many people said they had read the book and yet EVERYONE was quoting different numbers.

 

[bulletproof1]

i dont know what the big deal is about this thread. i have the book. i have not read it yet, im in the process of putting it in a binder. even if it does have "beginner information" in it, it is still a nice tool to have. no matter how long you have been lifting, im certain you could find something useful out of a 340 page book.

as far as the macros goes, who cares ... find out what combination works for you and go with it.

 

[nikegurl]

for people who might be interested in purchasing this book there is a very detailed review here:

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Burn_the_Fat_Feed_the_Muscle/m_2381/tm.htm

 

[trHawT]

Appreciate it, Nike!