Calling all personal trainers.

[bigsahm21]

Do any of you have experience working with basketball players?

I've decided to pursue a college basketball career, which means i need to start getting my ass back into basketball shape. I've worked with athletic performance trainers once before, for a couple of months, but don't remember too much about what were the best basketball specific movements/lifts. Does anyone here have a decent basketball training background to help me out with a few basic questions?

Thanks.

 

[Witchblade]

Functional Training for Sports - Michael Boyle

 

[mike456]

Functional Training for Sports - Michael Boyle

I read it, it's not really sports specific.

 

[Witchblade]

Yeah it is.

Lots of stuff for plyo's, conditioning, balance, speed and core strength.

 

[mike456]

Yeah it is.

Lots of stuff for plyo's, conditioning, balance, speed and core strength.

It is a book to get you in condition for all sports, not just specifically basketball... which Is what I think the guy is looking for

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Try some multi level low squat into box jumps ( or onto platforms or up stairs if you can find some wide enough) and explosive plyo lower body ( even burpees would help) with a weighted vest. I've seen ppl have huge success with that. .. maybe also try some HIIT for exceleration gas and quick change pivot and speed.


Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[P-funk]

It is a book to get you in condition for all sports, not just specifically basketball... which Is what I think the guy is looking for

How differently should one train for basketball as opposed to football? Or baseball?


What we do in the gym is general. We do it to enhance specific qualities and develop strength to prevent injury. THe difference between what you do in the gym for different sports is very little (if there is any difference at all).

For the most part, the only thing that is different is the way you condition (specific work to rest intervals) and the practices in that sport which enhance technique.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Speaking of which, it just came back to me moments ago that weighted ankle cuffs will help you out aswell. if it's better jumps and direction change thrust and small change training .. try on some plyos and hiit and use the weighted vest / boxes for jumps and the ankle weights. With the cardio you'll already get , that should go quite well for you. Also maybe investigate a 1 - 2 x / week - fortnight lifting programming and eat more because if you do that, I imagine you 'll start to find it hard to hold onto weight. ooh.. and bring in some high bar pull and chin ups.. good for getting you used to jumping past your barrier and co-ordinating followup execution of other movements at the peak of your jump. Something you have to jump high to get to would be awwesome private fun for it.
Chinese matrial arts ( shaolin kungfu ) has a particular skill and programme called light skill qigong or small golden bell . it's all about breathing tempo and rythms and jumping and specific training and applying it elsewhere and other ways .. it also teaches you about how your spine and core plays into that. highly recommend the google.
What are you doing for food and exercise and training right now??

 

[P-funk]

ankle weights are the worst idea ever.....you will fuck up someones gait terribly and destroy their lower back. They will totally mess with running technique and mechanics.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Care to elaborate on that theory??

 

[P-funk]

Care to elaborate on that theory??

How is it a theory?

If you put ankle weights on to your ankles, your hip flexors have to work extra hard when you run to get into proper flexion (positive joint ankles). if you fatigue them with ankle weights, the technique goes to shit and you are programming poor motor patterns. As well, the hip flexors in life don't ever really work against any external resistance aside from gravity (unless someone is very week in their psoas, at which point you could do some remedial work for that).

Sprinting is about mechanics. If you mess up mechanics you have a bad sprinter.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

As well, the hip flexors in life don't ever really work against any external resistance aside from gravity (unless someone is very week in their psoas, at which point you could do some remedial work for that).

.

I respect that it might be contraversial and grounds for debate.. but I'm not sure I get your comment. hip flexors are secondary to looads of movement and should be drilled against resistance for better Rom and structural stabilty.
I know at shaolin they use various weight variation iron arm and wrist braclets to drill striking with the logic that when you take them off , you've been conditioned to get more power out of the same effort.. I was suggesting it as a jumping training tool. .. like when you do pushups or pull ups with someone on you and they jump off and it's easier and you can do more.
If you don't agree with me then I 'm okay with that. I guess he'll just make up his own mind. With good form I don't think there's aany need for injury. I kind of figured that good form was just a presummed given and always is.

 

[P-funk]

Nope I disagree.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

lol .. l-).

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I respect that it might be contraversial and grounds for debate.. but I'm not sure I get your comment. hip flexors are secondary to looads of movement and should be drilled against resistance for better Rom and structural stabilty.
I know at shaolin they use various weight variation iron arm and wrist braclets to drill striking with the logic that when you take them off , you've been conditioned to get more power out of the same effort.. I was suggesting it as a jumping training tool. .. like when you do pushups or pull ups with someone on you and they jump off and it's easier and you can do more.
If you don't agree with me then I 'm okay with that. I guess he'll just make up his own mind. With good form I don't think there's aany need for injury. I kind of figured that good form was just a presummed given and always is.

You don't understand how the body programs movements. Why wouldn't you simply train for better range of motion and "structural stability" (???) in the weight room without fucking up your sprinter mechanics? Does this not make sense or what?

 

[P-funk]

I agree with DD. it all comes down to biomechanics of the movement in question (in this case sprinting). Ankle weights are just going to feed a compensation and open you up to potential injury.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Are you missssing the jumping that makes a basketballers bread and butter additional to that or whut ? Do you think dynamic rotor cuff and hip flexor movements and flexibilty and strength at length and plyo bursting from contracted states and quick change through those into co-ordinated dynamic sequences would be of aaany assistance to this type of game player??? at all?:/.?

You don't understand how the body programs movements. Why wouldn't you simply train for better range of motion and "structural stability" (???) in the weight room without fucking up your sprinter mechanics? Does this not make sense or what?

I don't know how exactly i can answer this atm without sounding offended and somewhat snooty about what you've just said up there, as cute and fun as it initialy was trying to be, considering how many yrs of my life i have dedicated and stiill am dedicating to high performance high study and performance and at the expense of what , and how much it's litterally cost me to keep doing that around the world association to association and degree and masters and ph.d jaunt to jaunt, and to how far around the world through what i 've done to gain that knowledge and experience but ii don't think youu understand the nature of the sequence building of which aspect/s at which point goes into high performance skills.. in thiis regard or any other.
He did ask for advice from someone who had experience training specifially basketballers and if you would like to disclose some of yourr experience in doing that or in training specifically what concise individual skills or aspects of basketball performance with actual advice and specific suggestions he could apply to that request, then by all means go right ahead.
No -one else had given him anything he felt satisfied with prior that anyway...iif anything at all which came from 1 person and no-one else. ..and even that wasn't even clOse to specfic ly naming exercises or what-have -you.
I kind of figured that I am almost due to step back here a little anyway if it's going to be like that so thank you so much for the big headed ignorant insults and misinformation.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Are you missssing the jumping that makes a basketballers bread and butter additional to that or whut ? Do you think dynamic rotor cuff and hip flexor movements and flexibilty and strength at length and plyo bursting from contracted states and quick change through those into co-ordinated dynamic sequences would be of aaany assistance to this type of game player??? at all?:/.?




I don't know how exactly i can answer this atm without sounding offended and somewhat snooty about what you've just said up there, as cute and fun as it initialy was trying to be, considering how many yrs of my life i have dedicated and stiill am dedicating to high performance high study and performance and at the expense of what , and how much it's litterally cost me to keep doing that around the world association to association and degree and masters and ph.d jaunt to jaunt, and to how far around the world through what i 've done to gain that knowledge and experience but ii don't think youu understand the nature of the sequence building of which aspect/s at which point goes into high performance skills.. in thiis regard or any other.
He did ask for advice from someone who had experience training specifially basketballers and if you would like to disclose some of yourr experience in doing that or in training specifically what concise individual skills or aspects of basketball performance with actual advice and specific suggestions he could apply to that request, then by all means go right ahead.
No -one else had given him anything he felt satisfied with prior that anyway...iif anything at all which came from 1 person and no-one else. ..and even that wasn't even clOse to specfic ly naming exercises or what-have -you.
I kind of figured that I am almost due to step back here a little anyway if it's going to be like that so thank you so much for the big headed ignorant insults and misinformation.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

First of all, your application of English (as far as grammar and spelling is concerned) has left most of us completely confused as to just what you are trying to say. Put politely, you aren't making any sense.

Secondarily, your anecdotes mean a little bit less then nothing. I can and will provide you with references to papers published supporting our position. On a public forum such as this, anecdotal stories simply have no validity because there is no way to confirm the story much less the integrity of the person offering it up.

Also, I have serious doubts about your statement: " considering how many yrs of my life i have dedicated and stiill am dedicating to high performance high study and performance and at the expense of what , and how much it's litterally cost me to keep doing that around the world association to association and degree and masters and ph.d jaunt to jaunt, and to how far around the world through what i 've done to gain that knowledge and experience but ii don't think youu understand the nature of the sequence building of which aspect/s at which point goes into high performance skills.. in thiis regard or any other." Quite honestly, this entire diatribe didn't make sense and it looks like it may have been written by someone in Jr. High School. It is very rare to see educated people write entire paragraphs using only one period.

And I only bring up the point of your pathetic writing skills because I simply do not have any idea what you are trying to say. Why you think you have refuted anythign Funk and I have come up with is simply beyond me, I haven't understood anything you've said and what I have deciphered has not addressed anything specific we've brought up. Maybe if you correct this we can have a discussion.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Are you missssing the jumping that makes a basketballers bread and butter additional to that or whut ? Do you think dynamic rotor cuff and hip flexor movements and flexibilty and strength at length and plyo bursting from contracted states and quick change through those into co-ordinated dynamic sequences would be of aaany assistance to this type of game player??? at all?:/.?

What does any of this mean? What is a dynamic rotator cuff or hip flexor movement? Isn't any movement involving the rotator cuff and hip flexor "dynamic" ? And if not can you explain what the heck you are talking about?

And you don't seem to know what a pliometric exercise is. What exactly is "plyo bursting from a contracted state"? During a pliometric movement, a prestretching occurs with a muscle or group of muscles (which created stored energy torque) followed by a rebound reaction (a release of the stored energy).

The idea being that when the muscle contracts after it lengthens, the resulting stored energy causes an increase in force and power output.

Pliometric movements can't occur from a "contracted state", a "contracted state" being the current STATE of the muscle as the movement initiates. It's a series of movements involving the release of stored energy.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Good lord Mr. Donuts.

You are not calling English language semantics as the base of your misunderstanding when you 're spelling plyometric dictionary definition plyometric + wikipedia - Google Search

pliometric!!??

You can't even spell it let alone understand it. I 'm not arguing with you though, because one can but try and I don't like to feel assasinated by b.s.
Sorry. If you broaden your criticism, you'll notice how many other ppl also make small grammatical and spelling and generic typo errors. Some times some of us just have to make do and hope you get it .
What diid you say your experience was training basketballers again? Do youu have any practical advice for that guy? i don't have to be right. .. but if he could get some options since we're here posting on the thread he asked for some on, then I would be happy to see that.
Can you offer him aanything but what you have?.. like actual drills or exercises by any chance??

Bye ee.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

oh. and diatribe - dictionary definition diatribe - Google Search


and

bigsahm21 Do any of you have experience working with basketball players [end quote]

Anecdotal evidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[quote ] When used in advertising or promotion of a product, service, or idea, anecdotal evidence is often called a testimonial [ end quote]

Really. I might not "win" here, but gimme a break okay.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Witchblade]

The irony.

 

[P-funk]

pliometric is the way that it was actually spelled in russian text. that is the original spelling of the word. the "y" was changed for the "i" here in the western world.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

You clearly didn't understand my point. Your bad use of language made it impossible to understand what the fuck you were saying. Mistakes are fine until it comes to a point that you are illegible.

Also, in the original break down of the word, "Plio" means "more" and "metric" means "relating to distance". Funk is right, the original, and as far as I'm concerned, technically accurate spelling is "PLIOMETRIC" and I choose to spell it this way.

And I do understand it. Even if I didn't, you haven't provided a single definition for ANY of the silly claims or remarks you've made. Except your anecdotal evidence. Yes, your anecdotes. What you don't seem to realize is there are many, many definitions for a single word.

Since you are inquiring, I do have experience training basketball players, and I would train them in a similar fashion to any other athlete. I'd focus a bit more on conditioning and shot mechanics (although he'd probably want an expert for that), as well as fundamentals of foot position (if he were playing in the low post), "stance", jump mechanics, and so forth.

Then there's agility, quickness, speed drills, obviously. There's a lot to be done without putting weights on his knees and telling him to rupture all his tendons.

Oh, and in my defense, the original use of the word "diatribē" in Greek meant "the active wearing away of a person's time, amusement, serious occupation, and study." This inspired me to reference you with it.

Good lord Mr. Donuts.

You are not calling English language semantics as the base of your misunderstanding when you 're spelling plyometric dictionary definition plyometric + wikipedia - Google Search

pliometric!!??

You can't even spell it let alone understand it. I 'm not arguing with you though, because one can but try and I don't like to feel assasinated by b.s.
Sorry. If you broaden your criticism, you'll notice how many other ppl also make small grammatical and spelling and generic typo errors. Some times some of us just have to make do and hope you get it .
What diid you say your experience was training basketballers again? Do youu have any practical advice for that guy? i don't have to be right. .. but if he could get some options since we're here posting on the thread he asked for some on, then I would be happy to see that.
Can you offer him aanything but what you have?.. like actual drills or exercises by any chance??

Bye ee.

 

[bigsahm21]

Okay so back to the point of the thread. Sorry if a few of you answered my questions in that debate but a lot of it seemed like back and forth stuff not really pertinent to what I was trying to find out so I didn't read it...I apologize if you think I'm being redundant.

Anyways, here are the areas I'm looking to improve from my phyiscal standpoint.

- Add a little weight, both upper and lower body (not really looking for help here, I figure with my weight training and proper diet this will happen. I focused on gaining weight before my senior season in HS and got up to the low 180's, but lost it during the season. I've since regained a little bit of it...I'm about 6'6, 172. Keep in mind my frame is pretty narrow, so I don't like a TOTAL twig, but I'm still pretty thin. I need to get stronger as well as a little bit heavier if I'm going to get serious about this. However I'm not looking to add too much weight, my quickness is a big asset for me.)

- Become more explosive, specifically in terms of vertical jump (how should I attack this? Box jumps? Olympic lifts? Combo of both? Has anyone had success with programs such as Air Alert or anything like that?)

- Become more flexible in my groin/hips/inner thighs. (I worked with a guy to improve this kind of stuff before, and he said that part of my problem was flexibility/strength in that whole area of my body. When I descended preparing to jump, as well as when I squatted, my hips felt tight, and also my knees started to point in. He said this was because my inner thighs were weak or tight. How can I address these problems?)

- Become quicker laterally. (I figure to be doing a lot of defensive slides to address this, focus on exploding back and forth as soon as I plant my foot down to change direction. Are there any other things I can do to address this though, and muscle movements to focus on in the weight room?)

- Improve my balance and stability. (I'm guessing this will be helped by becoming stronger and more flexible in my lower body, as well as adding a little more weight. But my past trainer said this was a problem for me. By balance, I'm referring specifically to situations such as being pushed around while battling for post position, or boxing out for rebounds, etc. Would bosu-ball exercises fix this?)

If anyone has any advice they can give me as far as Olympic lifts, flexibility, or speed/explosiveness/jumping exercises, I would really appreciate it. Or, if anyone knows any really good trainers I could meet with in the San Diego area, I would be interested in meeting with somebody a couple of times to get some help to get me started. Thanks!

 

[mike456]

I find I can hold a lot more underhand than overhand

 

[Blooming Lotus]

I would probably be inclined to attribute that to rotarcuff flexibilty. .. that high pull / chin up bar could be great for that for a hanging spine and shoulder release.

You clearly didn't understand my point. Your bad use of language made it impossible to understand what the fuck you were saying. Mistakes are fine until it comes to a point that you are illegible.

Also, in the original break down of the word, "Plio" means "more" and "metric" means "relating to distance". Funk is right, the original, and as far as I'm concerned, technically accurate spelling is "PLIOMETRIC" and I choose to spell it this way.

And I do understand it. Even if I didn't, you haven't provided a single definition for ANY of the silly claims or remarks you've made. Except your anecdotal evidence. Yes, your anecdotes. What you don't seem to realize is there are many, many definitions for a single word.

Since you are inquiring, I do have experience training basketball players, and I would train them in a similar fashion to any other athlete. I'd focus a bit more on conditioning and shot mechanics (although he'd probably want an expert for that), as well as fundamentals of foot position (if he were playing in the low post), "stance", jump mechanics, and so forth.

Then there's agility, quickness, speed drills, obviously. There's a lot to be done without putting weights on his knees and telling him to rupture all his tendons.

Oh, and in my defense, the original use of the word "diatribē" in Greek meant "the active wearing away of a person's time, amusement, serious occupation, and study." This inspired me to reference you with it.

Speaking of irony. Tomayto/ tomarto I guess.
Semantical entertainment for everyone .

Regarless of how we break it down, it's a shame that it had to digress like that. There seems, imo, to be some discrepency relating to the training and role and function somewhat of the hip and pelvic and lower connective tissues and their respective role in training safer form in dynamic or resistence lower body movement. In this instance, and relating that to how it corresponds with ones spine and core form through any given sequence, and how that effects immediate jumping capacity and protection of one's lower back and spine when baring in mind the posture and flexibility issues that thaat contributes, then it's a shame imo you're not understanding the principal. I've discussed this with P- Funk elsewhere in another context relating to squat form. It doesn't matter though. I do think you're using bully tactics and are being unreasonabley hyper-critical and offereing little in lieu, but I'm not here to play internet war games and there are definately alot of better things we could all find to go grey over. It was really rude of you to say what you did. . as used to that kind of attitude as I am from place to place and more so on the internet where it can be dished anonomously. That being the case, if you think you have advice for this guy and can offer him something specific, rather than the virtual blow off I felt he got , then
I have nothing further. I'm still hoping to get some advice here myself on a few things so I'm happy to leave you with it.

Considering my martial arts history and world hvy weight title fight offer, and that my last grand master trainer has in the top ten fastest recorded hands in the world atm, your lateral speed advice will no doubt be a delight.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[mike456]

I find I can hold a lot more underhand than overhand

fuck! wrong thread

 

[P-funk]

 

[Witchblade]

Wow that post is actually legible.