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These were all originally posted by Dr. Pain:

A friend asked a question on another forum, the answers were so good it is worth of copying over here! (I hope the parties involved don't mind, knowlegde is worth sharing!)

The question was:

I'm in my last 5 weeks of the contest diet and have not been doing any carb ups. I feel fine and was wondering if I'm hindering my process by not carbing up? Also, when I do carb up I usally follow the bev. recomended carb up plan but I just don't feel any kind of pump the next day. The last time I carbed up was about 2 weeks ago and I used 10 packets of the quaker oat sugar instant oatmeal, you talk about a serious pump the next day...that did it! Is eating the sugar oatmeal terible for me, especially if I only do it once every 10 days or so?
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The replies:

Eating 10 packets of finely ground oats ( over processed), hydrogenated fats, sugar and a host of flavorings may not be such a good idea so close to contest.

Think about it, the glycemic index is close to a candy bar and you had ten of these packets?

Old fashioned rolled oats, sweet potatoes,veggies,a banana and butter as your carb meal "might" leave a lot less margin for error or blurring your definition.


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You are doing more harm than good by skipping the carb meals. If you are following a Beverly diet you need them here is why.

Lack of carbs in the diet for extended periods of time can reduce thyroid hormones resonsible for metabolism maintenance. When they drop so does your metabolism.

Having a twice weekly carb meal dramatically increases your caloric intake for those two days. This is very important. After a period of time the body will adjust to a given caloric level. It does this by slowing the metabolism. The body response of lowering the metabolism is what leads to yo yo dieting. Eating a higher caloric intake a few days a week prevents this. Some call increasing calories then decreasing them zig zag dieting.

Resistance training is anaerobic. Anaerobic means that body must metabolize glucose for energy during weight training. The body can not metabolize fat to fuel your weight training. With the preferential source of fuel is glucose which comes from carbs and no carbs in your diet, training will eventually begin to back slide. When this happens you are not subjecting your muscles to the resistance it is used and the body will begin to metabolize muscle for fuel. Eating the carbs or "carbing up" gives your body something to fuel workouts. So eat your carbs.

Last point.
The body is an extremely efficient machine and when caloric intake is below maintenance it needs to find a source of fuel. Fat is great. Fat can exist with out being supported by incoming calories. But muscle does need calories. The body looks at the muscle as catabolically expensive will rid itself of it. Reducing the amount of lean mass you have reduces the maintenance number of calories the body needs to survive. Remember the body is very efficient. So it will metabolize muscle and leave the fat. Once amino acids are in the blood stream the body is signaled that it is breaking down muscle (this is why Beverly recommends supplementing with aminos as the contest supports to artificially kick the fat buring on with out having to sacrifice muscle), maybe too much, and will beging to burn fat as well. Now if you have been trying to train without carbs and the weights you are used to lifting are decreasing the previous scenario becomes even worse.

Eat your carb meals per the diet you are on.

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. There are very specific reasons why we list the carb meals on certain days and certain times. Skipping the carb meals will usually do more harm than good. Below is the functions of the carb meal and why it is important.

5. Functions of the Carb Load Meal:
a. Refuels glycogen stores
b. Prevents decline in metabolism, (T3 synthesis remains optimal)
c. Provides variety ??? mental ease
d. Facilitates muscular growth by inducing uptake of Amino Acids and insulin
surge drives IGF-1 production. Optimizes ???anabolic??? effect of insulin, while
minimizing the lipogenic (fat producing) effect.
So don???t skip your carb meals ??? ever!

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With much credit and praise to Beverly International! and Dr. Pain
 
More Pain!

The carb-up would be based on body weight, take the last meal only and use approx 1/4 measured before cooking of oatmeal for every 35 pounds of BW, 2 oz of yam per 35 pounds, and 1 oz of banana per 35, also one cup of veggies with 1 TBL butter (all BW's)!
It's a lot of food, but works great!! Dr. Pain
 
for the veggies and butter - it's one cup veggies and 1 tbl butter per 35 lbs or is that part the same for everyone - 1 cup and 1 Tbl total?

thanks again. if you have a minute can you check my post. i worked out a diet plan and would feel much better if you could check it out first.
 
Yes...one cup veggies & 1 tbsp butter TOTAL...not based on BW! You could also use p/b or flax.

Saw your other post, butt couldn't respond earlier...going there now! :)
 
thanks. i swear i'll be less needy once i get going!

really.
 
Originally posted by nikegurl
thanks. i swear i'll be less needy once i get going!

really.

That's no problem...I've been where you are now...I don't mind helping...I'm still very needy towards DP :p
 
will it be ok to mix some protein w/ the oatmeal in the carb up meals?it just seems to be alot of food to have so little protein.tonite is my first real carb up.it'll take a little getting used to for me to get all that in.
 
Why butter on the carb up?
 
Originally posted by rks1969
will it be ok to mix some protein w/ the oatmeal in the carb up meals?it just seems to be alot of food to have so little protein.tonite is my first real carb up.it'll take a little getting used to for me to get all that in.


Works for some, but the program is designed for glycogen replenishment, I would try it both ways, I have!

TCD, (I'm not going to stoop to baby or boy as she does), the butter or fat source slows the rate of conversion to serum glucose and stabilizes insulin during the liver and muscle glycogen replacement!


DP
 
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But surely if you're gonna eat that many carbs that insulin would be pretty high anyway?
 
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
But surely if you're gonna eat that many carbs that insulin would be pretty high anyway?

Old fashioned rolled oats, sweet potatoes,veggies,a banana and butter as your carb meal "might" leave a lot less margin for error or blurring your definition.


No, look at the deisgn, it's kind of like a five stage rocket! Boom, the banana kicks in, slowed by the veggies and fat. Next, here cums Mr. Sweet potato, tell the liver to open wide :D

Next stage, oats, followed by the veggies, finally the fat can face a 10% conversion to glucose. This is a tried and true system, but we always suggest that a person does what is right for him/her/it!

Also, if you are depleted, consider how much your liver and muscles actually hold, add up these carbs, this is not a total replenishment, nor will you spill! The moderate and stabile insulin spike generated by this, in a depleted state, works very well.


DP
 
The carb up was definitely the missing piece!!I did the "gut buster"carb up & lost 3lbs in 3 days.Man,you guys are great!!!!:rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: You're a better source of useful info than almost any mag I've ever bought!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
w8 & Dr Pain, I can't thank you enough!!!!!
 
Originally posted by rks1969
The carb up was definitely the missing piece!!I did the "gut buster"carb up & lost 3lbs in 3 days.Man,you guys are great!!!!:rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: You're a better source of useful info than almost any mag I've ever bought!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
w8 & Dr Pain, I can't thank you enough!!!!!


Excellent rks! :thumb: Thank you! :)
 
hey rks1969 - how many days did you deplete before doing the carb up?

i'm planning to deplete today (mon), tues, wed and then carb up thurs night. then deplete again fri sat and carb up sunday night.

w8dp is that a good way to go? i was debating wed pm and sun pm or thurs pm and sunday pm. decided to go with thurs since i just started. yes?
 
I depleted way to long!!!I went about 6 weeks w/o carbs except for what I thought was ok from veggie sources.Lost about 20lbs during the first3 wks,then weight loss stopped for next 3 wks completely.Great info from w8 & dp got me on the right track again.
Don't go as long as I did 'cause I started to get mean as hell until the carb up last friday.Now I'll try to carb up every 5-6 days following w8 & dp's advice.
Hate to sound like a groupie,but they're the best:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
 
i'm an unabashed groupie! their knowledge is incredible and even better - they take the time to help us out.
 
Originally posted by rks1969
I depleted way to long!!!I went about 6 weeks w/o carbs except for what I thought was ok from veggie sources.Lost about 20lbs during the first3 wks,then weight loss stopped for next 3 wks completely.Great info from w8 & dp got me on the right track again.
Don't go as long as I did 'cause I started to get mean as hell until the carb up last friday.Now I'll try to carb up every 5-6 days following w8 & dp's advice.
Hate to sound like a groupie,but they're the best:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:


Every fourth day you should have a carb-up! And actually...since you went so freaking long w/o one...I think you should add carbs to three of your meals every day for at least a week before you go back to depletion!


FYI to everyone...I never recommended going 6 weeks w/o a carb up! You really are doing more harm than good by skipping the carb ups!
 
The 6wk depletion really wasn't done purposely.I thought I was doing the right thing when I counted carbs from veggie(fiber) sources in my daily counts.Occasionally I did have 1/2c brown rice & a sweet potato w/ butter,but not really enough to make a real difference.They say you learn from your mistakes...what a lesson.
 
How low do you have to be with carb intake to have to carb up? under 80g? under 100?
 
first carb up tonight (day 4 of depletion)

2 questions

would it be ok to go with 5 meals today and then the carb up as meal 6? my last meal is usually at 10:00 at night and i didn't want to eat protein with the carb up. so can i have my carb up meal at 10:00 and skip the protein meal? i'd be sure to get plenty of protein (at least 30 grams) at each of my other 5 meals.

also - is it better to carb up same 2 days each week like thursday and sunday or just every 4th day? (if it's the same 2 days then one of the carb ups is coming after 3 days instead of 4)

thanks!
 
Yes, 6th meal is fine! 10:oo PM is no problem.

Also Mon & Thurs work well, especially if Monday is a training day! Carb-ups work better when deplete! Some hardcores and Poliquin reserve Carbing for every fifth day, not always the best way!

DP
 
thanks dp!

i don't lift on fri or mon. i started this diet on mon so i figure today would be good carb up day (4 days in). agree?

should i wait 'til next mon to carb up even if i don't lift on mondays? if i do it monday instead of sunday would i then do it again on friday (4 days) even though friday is also not a lifting day? if i pick 2 days in a week one time will be after 3 days and one will be after 4 days of depleting. is that cool or just do it every 4 days no matter what days that turns out to be?

thanks again. so it's cool to have 5 normal meals and then make carb up #6 and not have protein with that meal?
 
OMG...I'm not even gonna bother trying to freaking decipher that, lol.....you're making it too difficult...just pic two days and eat! :D ;)
 
that's me - i overcomplicate everything. thanks for bringing me down to earth! lol. i'm sucha freak
 
ohmygawd that was a LOT of food. it wasn't easy eating it all. i thought i'd enjoy it. wrong.

did i eat too much?
for my last meal i had a full cup of oatmeal - (measured before cooking), 8 oz yam, 4 oz banana, 1 Tbs peanut butter and I couldn't get the veggies in. took me forever to get it down.

for the day my total calories ended up being 2167. isn't that way too much? i know i want to stimulate metabolism - but that number's really ok?

totals - 191 gram protein, 147 grams carb, 89 grams fat.

is that right? do i need to adjust for next time?

it just worries me to see calories that high. should i be cutting back earlier in the day at other meals so they stay a bit lower?

i weigh 135 now.

thanks
 
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