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Chest. Closing the gap!?!
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ActionMatt
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How do you *know* this is what happened? Unless you took muscle biopsies at regular intervals, you haven't "seen" it happen. You've seen what you *thought* was that happening, but you don't have conclusive evidence one way or another, no matter how many people you've observed or how many years you've been training.
This'll always be debated, so I say lets just agree to disagree b4 this turns into a 50page crapfest. I can't argue w/ personal experiences and I'll hold to mine.
Peace
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Eh, just tryin' to be a mediator and the nice, sweet, caring individual you all know me as. The benevolent...errr...uhhh... TZZZZZTTTTT!!!! BTW lightning hurts. LOL
TCD, I hate to admit it but yes, I agree w/ your side of things.
And I never gave up, it was a preemptive strike, bud. 
Peace
TCD, I hate to admit it but yes, I agree w/ your side of things.
And I never gave up, it was a preemptive strike, bud. Peace
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I love it when people post a message criticizing someone elses ideas but dont actually have any of there own.
And yeah, you should post research studies! Like those important ones done by MuscleTech and EAS! "Oh, I know, use Creatine, that will make it all better!"
Gimme a break, if not from experience then what the hell are we here blathering about. This community was founded so people could share their personal experience in hopes of helping others. Everyone here thats a scientist please raise your hand! AM, your a scientist? So you've been able to back up all the advice that you've given out? Oh, you only criticize others and are not capable of producing anything worthwhile?
You're a tard dude.
I still stand by my statement that increasing chest mass will help make poor chest genetics (atleast in the sternum region) less noticeable.
Eggs
And yeah, you should post research studies! Like those important ones done by MuscleTech and EAS! "Oh, I know, use Creatine, that will make it all better!"
Gimme a break, if not from experience then what the hell are we here blathering about. This community was founded so people could share their personal experience in hopes of helping others. Everyone here thats a scientist please raise your hand! AM, your a scientist? So you've been able to back up all the advice that you've given out? Oh, you only criticize others and are not capable of producing anything worthwhile?
You're a tard dude.
I still stand by my statement that increasing chest mass will help make poor chest genetics (atleast in the sternum region) less noticeable.
Eggs
Righto boys let's put some rubber on the road!! I wanna see pics of all ur chest's and a bit about what ur chest routine is !!
By the way some interesting comments. It is good to hear the different variations and beliefs keep up the good work
So that's it! Lets have a chest off "all in!!!"
By the way some interesting comments. It is good to hear the different variations and beliefs keep up the good work
So that's it! Lets have a chest off "all in!!!"
Yes, TCD, you WILL affect all of the muscle fibers in the target muscle...however, you can effect portions in certain areas of a muscle MORE than others by utilizing different angles of pull. Soreness that is incurred in the inner portion of the pecs by doing cable crossovers, or in the outer portion of the pecs...near the delt tie in, by doing wide dumbell flyes IS NOT AN ACCIDENT!
Action Matt...I have just enough respect for you to comepletely ignore you from now on.
Action Matt...I have just enough respect for you to comepletely ignore you from now on.
ActionMatt
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I've got my own ideas. I've got my scientific source and I also have my practical ones, my personal experience being one of those.
You want studies? I've got more of those than I think you can handle. Using one particular set of flawed studies from a marketing firm to condemn all science is idiotic.
I'm not a scientist. I'm a lifter that likes to know what goes on in his body. That, I hate to tell you, involves science. I criticize others on points that, from what I have learned, are incorrect or misapplied. I've also produced a bit more "worthwhile" in the training arena than you obviously realize.
I may be a tard, but look who's the jackass starting sh*t with only half the story.
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Umm, you just said that personal experience didnt count... and that only scientific studies should be used when we try to give advice and help eachother out.
Unless of course we conducted muscle biopsies.
So, my rant was based on the fact that you completely tried to throw personal experience out because we couldnt prove that it was fact. Sure backing up what you say with studies are good, but unless you have a hand in the study and see the results first hand who are you to pass it off as proof? You have no proof that study even actually took place outside of some dudes dorm room. Yeah, thats a bit much... but certainly dont slam somebody for offering advice which you consider bad when not only did you not provide evidence that he was incorrect but you also didnt even address the topic at hand.
"I'm not a scientist. I'm a lifter that likes to know what goes on in his body. That, I hate to tell you, involves science. I criticize others on points that, from what I have learned, are incorrect or misapplied. I've also produced a bit more "worthwhile" in the training arena than you obviously realize."
Super, good on you. So what GoPro has done with his body doesnt "involve science." Only when you practice it on your body does it "involve science?" Nice one there...
"Using one particular set of flawed studies from a marketing firm to condemn all science is idiotic."
I wasnt condeming the science of BB, I was condeming the fact that you were saying that all his experience count for nothing. The jibe about MuscleTech and stuff was a childish taunt, so there
So while I may be a jackass, I had the whole story... and it was a load of BS. Dont let your personal feelings about a person ruin the chance you have of positively affecting others in this sport who have questions. If you do, all that training and experience you have really means nothing to us.
Eggs
In competition to become the biggest Jackass!
Unless of course we conducted muscle biopsies.
So, my rant was based on the fact that you completely tried to throw personal experience out because we couldnt prove that it was fact. Sure backing up what you say with studies are good, but unless you have a hand in the study and see the results first hand who are you to pass it off as proof? You have no proof that study even actually took place outside of some dudes dorm room. Yeah, thats a bit much... but certainly dont slam somebody for offering advice which you consider bad when not only did you not provide evidence that he was incorrect but you also didnt even address the topic at hand.
"I'm not a scientist. I'm a lifter that likes to know what goes on in his body. That, I hate to tell you, involves science. I criticize others on points that, from what I have learned, are incorrect or misapplied. I've also produced a bit more "worthwhile" in the training arena than you obviously realize."
Super, good on you. So what GoPro has done with his body doesnt "involve science." Only when you practice it on your body does it "involve science?" Nice one there...
"Using one particular set of flawed studies from a marketing firm to condemn all science is idiotic."
I wasnt condeming the science of BB, I was condeming the fact that you were saying that all his experience count for nothing. The jibe about MuscleTech and stuff was a childish taunt, so there
So while I may be a jackass, I had the whole story... and it was a load of BS. Dont let your personal feelings about a person ruin the chance you have of positively affecting others in this sport who have questions. If you do, all that training and experience you have really means nothing to us.
Eggs
In competition to become the biggest Jackass!
"Yes, TCD, you WILL affect all of the muscle fibers in the target muscle...however, you can effect portions in certain areas of a muscle MORE than others by utilizing different angles of pull."
But that won't cause localised growth. And even if, over time, it did, the results would be insignificant.
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TCD, that wasnt meant for you
Ah, okay... I was under the impression that the goal was to minimize the obviousness of poor muscle - tendon interaction.
I see where you guys are coming from the gap point, we were looking at this in a different way, my bad.
Eggs
Ah, okay... I was under the impression that the goal was to minimize the obviousness of poor muscle - tendon interaction.
I see where you guys are coming from the gap point, we were looking at this in a different way, my bad.
Eggs
I do not understand why this argument seems to surface so often. It's obvious that some people will continue to believe that you can target the upper chest, and there are others that believe that you cannot.
Everyone that disagrees, needs to agree to disagree on this.
Everyone that disagrees, needs to agree to disagree on this.
I think Action Matt has a fetish with Gopro.. It gives him wood when he gets his book out and copies and paste something to try to prove Gopro wrong. You know... like when girls tell guys they hate them then go home and cry because they dont really hate them but just love them to death.
ActionMatt
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Eggs, I don't knock personal experience. Refer to Chig's point #3-- I have a problem when people try to pass off a very subjective opinion as fact.
The whole point I was making is that you can observe a given effect, ie, upper chest growth, but without concrete explanations for what is happening behind that effect, which could be any one of multiple causes, you can't state it as "fact."
Observing apparent upper chest growth is one thing. Knowing that it is in fact the "upper" chest is a totally different thing.
I have nothing personal against gopro. I argue with his theories, but on a personal level I have no reason to hate him more than I hate everybody else.
Eggs, I don't knock personal experience. Refer to Chig's point #3-- I have a problem when people try to pass off a very subjective opinion as fact.
The whole point I was making is that you can observe a given effect, ie, upper chest growth, but without concrete explanations for what is happening behind that effect, which could be any one of multiple causes, you can't state it as "fact."
Observing apparent upper chest growth is one thing. Knowing that it is in fact the "upper" chest is a totally different thing.
I have nothing personal against gopro. I argue with his theories, but on a personal level I have no reason to hate him more than I hate everybody else.
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