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OK, points taken. I have 500, 10mg D-Bols, I will add them in weeks 1-4. Sustenon 250 up to 500mg weekly, no problem. And didn't know the half life on deca. That's why I am here to learn from you guys. As for you , "don't do drugs" guys, do you actually know what forum you are in??? And I really don't think it is any of your business what I or any of these other guys do. Worry boutcha self.
Doesn't deca convert to nandrolone? If so, do the 19-nor-diol pro-hormones have a similar "deca-dick" effect?
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Pal, when we hear you talk and know immediately from the get go that you don't have enough knowledge under your belt to run a cycle, thats when we say it. Nothing could be MORE important in a AAS forum than to stress the important of self research prior to juicing. You say you did research, but you have nothing factual to contribute except what random other people have told you about the shit. Not everyone should be taking steroids, its not a question of we don't think you should be taking, its that you don't know the the fucc you are doing. I am the biggest proponant of AAS, I love the shit, but if you don't have a solid level of knowledge, as well as a plan and why that plan will work, then you are just wasting your money and putting your hormone levels through unecessary stress. You can't lieten to cats that are more knowledgable then you and benefit from it, or you can be a jackass and get smart when you hear a response you don't like. either way the choice is yours, but you will learn or pay for it in the end. I could give less of a fucc about what you put in your body, and I am not worried about you. I was offering my opinion, and it just happens to be much more advanced than yours in this subject, so don't cop an attitude.
thats not research, thats asking people what they think, which btw is what you are doing by posting a thread, so you don't have to raise up when people tell you something that you don't like the sound of. Do you even know what alkalation is and why its not smart to run all orals like you were? Do you even kow why they are all saying Test is best and how that would benefit you? do you even know why you are running a steroid cycle in the first place, since you stated earlier that you don't wanna "get big", you just want a little size, jesus christ.
First I was not taking all orals. D-Bol was the only oral I was taking. Second, I am not looking to get HUGE, just gain a little more mass. I am built well now, and just want to see what I can get outta a cycle. The reason I was using too much D-bol was that the person I got it from thought I got 5mg tabs from him and I got 10's. I didn't mean to sound like a dick. I value all of your input. I have read plenty about the subject, but you yourself should know you can read one thing and go somewhere else and the next guys staets something completely opposite. I went with my supply guys suggestion, because he has been selling for years and answers all questions without skipping a beat.
its all good
im gonna bump my first cycle in november, can't wait for the juice..
i've talked to some buddies who were like 170 at 18, bumped two mass cycles, hit like 200 and did a cutting cycle, after that they stopped with the juice and now are concentrating on maintaing strength yet losing body fat, point is that juice is great if u do it right, it can help u achieve goals that otherwise might not be possible, their goals were to cosmetically look good, which they do...
pilot u originally wanted 'just a little more mass' and for that all you really need to do is up ur calories and maintain training and rest. You'll gain solid mass, that you'll keep too. You don't need roids. For this test, deca, dbol cycle you'll gain a hell of a lot more then a 'little mass'...like 15 pounds of body weight, majority of it muscle...if thats what you classify as a 'little mass' then go through with it, i think you were unclear as to what your goals were, so peeps recommended that you stay away from the juice. good luck.
im gonna bump my first cycle in november, can't wait for the juice..
i've talked to some buddies who were like 170 at 18, bumped two mass cycles, hit like 200 and did a cutting cycle, after that they stopped with the juice and now are concentrating on maintaing strength yet losing body fat, point is that juice is great if u do it right, it can help u achieve goals that otherwise might not be possible, their goals were to cosmetically look good, which they do...
pilot u originally wanted 'just a little more mass' and for that all you really need to do is up ur calories and maintain training and rest. You'll gain solid mass, that you'll keep too. You don't need roids. For this test, deca, dbol cycle you'll gain a hell of a lot more then a 'little mass'...like 15 pounds of body weight, majority of it muscle...if thats what you classify as a 'little mass' then go through with it, i think you were unclear as to what your goals were, so peeps recommended that you stay away from the juice. good luck.
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if ure only running 250-500mg of test weekly u dont need hcg
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pilot i started first cycle month ago and im seein enormous gains im runnin 750mg sus a week with 400mg eq and 40mg dbol for first 6 weeks along with 1mg arimedex eod. i have clomid and nolva for pct. i already gained 50lbs on my bench and 20lbs im runnin this cycle for 3months and this is the end of my first month. also u should eat ne thing u want for ex. yesterday i had probly around 6000cals close to 300grms protein and i eat sdo much carbs i dont even have to countem.
does ne one know the balance between muscle and fat that u think u gain when eating alot on roids? for myself i think maybe 2/3 of the 20lbs ive gained sop far is muscle and 1/3 is fat? u guys probly dont know but do u think this is a good guess at the asmount of muscle/fat u gasin when on roids?
does ne one know the balance between muscle and fat that u think u gain when eating alot on roids? for myself i think maybe 2/3 of the 20lbs ive gained sop far is muscle and 1/3 is fat? u guys probly dont know but do u think this is a good guess at the asmount of muscle/fat u gasin when on roids?
6000 calories and only 300 grams of protein? Are you eating ice cream all day?
I was doing 520g protein and typically only 5300 calories per day, that was with some donuts and corn dogs thrown in. Now and then I'd run to Burger King for a 2700-3000 calorie meal (4 double cheeseburgers and a shake) taking me to 6500 calories.
Diet know how and genetics will determine how much of that weight is water and fat, but it sounds like your diet is full of shitty food, 4800 calories of carbs and fat?
2400 calories of carbs = 600g carbs
2400 calories of fat = 267g fats
I'd change those ratios if you are really counting those calories.
I was doing 520g protein and typically only 5300 calories per day, that was with some donuts and corn dogs thrown in. Now and then I'd run to Burger King for a 2700-3000 calorie meal (4 double cheeseburgers and a shake) taking me to 6500 calories.
Diet know how and genetics will determine how much of that weight is water and fat, but it sounds like your diet is full of shitty food, 4800 calories of carbs and fat?
2400 calories of carbs = 600g carbs
2400 calories of fat = 267g fats
I'd change those ratios if you are really counting those calories.
PirateFromHell said:At least we are all being honest.
I scaled up my calories in a short time period and had a very hard time eating like that, I came off something like 2300 calories daily, my first 'upgrade' was about 4400 or so. Eating all that in chicken/rice/oatmeal was not easy, rice and oats are full of water when you cook them making them very filling meals. I just wonder now and then if people are counting correctly, not passing judgement but I've seen people make mistakes.
As for HCG I do love it, but I didn't have any problems until I started using fina and deca, but everyone is different.
hithard51 said:
there is no way to determine the ratio of LBM:fat that you will gain on a cycle. but obviously the type of diet that you are following will be the biggest factor.
IMO...see-food diets are the best way to get fat while on a cycle. and by not couting calories you really aren't learning anything about how your body reacts to certain compounds at certain caloric intakes for future reference. I see guys in the gym all the time with their tank tops when they are on cycle showing off their 19-20" guns at 25% bf +. not very impressive and even far less fun when it comes time to diet. but it seem like those kinds of guys never do get lean as it takes to much effort...
Sorry, but that is not true. It not the amount of test, but the length of time you are using the gear. Numerous studies have show that even small amounts of supplemental test will shut down your HPTA. Progressive HRT docs are now prescribing HCG for their patients. HRT routinely only provides 75-300mg tops of testosterone per week.hithard51 said:
I do agree that for a 10 week cycle, it probably isn't needed... but it won't hurt, and will help one keep their gains.
All the info is very much appreciated. I have one last question, is Nolvadex really needed throught the entire cycle. I thought that is was needed more towards the end of it??? Could someone check these prices and tell me if they are about right?
3 amps Sustenon $24 X 7
3 amps deca $25 X 13
5000iu HCG $55 X 1
30, 20mg Nolvadex $55 X 4
for a cycle total of $768
3 amps Sustenon $24 X 7
3 amps deca $25 X 13
5000iu HCG $55 X 1
30, 20mg Nolvadex $55 X 4
for a cycle total of $768
You could run a light dose of Nolva throughout your cycle to help prevent gyno and bloating or you could just keep it on hand in case symptoms of Gyno show. Nolva is most important during PCT. You will want more than 30, 20mg nolva.
The ED nolva is added insurance that you will keep gyno issues at bay, which is a real possibility when running test and dbol (still running the dbol?). You could omit it, and only use it during the cycle if you start having gyno symptoms. If you do, you'll need to go with a 80mg or 60mg ED until the symptoms subside. Of course you will need it for a 4 week pct.
That same cycle would run me $433, $355 if I went with test enanthate. The Sust price looks good, but you are paying ALOT for every thing else. I paid $25 for 5000iu's of hcg, $60 for 2,400mg of nolva (liquid) equivalent to the 120 20mg tabs you're getting, and $180 for 40ml of 200mg/ml deca.
In Iraq though, that might be the going prices.
That same cycle would run me $433, $355 if I went with test enanthate. The Sust price looks good, but you are paying ALOT for every thing else. I paid $25 for 5000iu's of hcg, $60 for 2,400mg of nolva (liquid) equivalent to the 120 20mg tabs you're getting, and $180 for 40ml of 200mg/ml deca.
In Iraq though, that might be the going prices.
Yeah, I figured I run the rest of this Deca out, I haven't had any Deca Dick yet. I'll catch hell if I do, wifes working here in Baghdad too. I have gained 4 pounds in the last two weeks and shed a little BF. I had used deca only, a few years back and got good results from it then also. I get my stuff from ex-yugo where my wife is from. You would figure it would be cheaper there due to the shitty economy there. My supplier was also saying that he recommends using the HCG 3000iu the week you end your cycle and 2000iu 6 days later????
That's old school thinking. It is far better to run the hcg during the cycle. Also, never inject more then 500iu's at one time. Check out this thread by a doctor concerning pct.R1pilot said:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=47024&highlight=clomid
Well he will give me a 20% break if I order over 500, guess that's from screwing my brains out on the initial prices. This is the only guy I know and I guess I would rather pay more and know what I was getting. Being over here, there is not many options.
I don't have a "guy", though.hithard51
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mudge i dide have 6000cals and around 300 grmas protein i concentrate on eating alot of carbs and the protein comes along with it i only count the protein i get from meat and dairy i do actually eat icecream cookies ne thing right now i start day off with 1000cal weight gainer shake which has 200carbs 60 grmas protein for ex. yestereday i had that can tuna mixed with pasta, leftover pasta, 2doublecheeseburgers fried chiken sandwioch large fries and large shake from mcdonalds, 4 slices pizza, and large chiken breast with past with garlic and oil. and maybe 5 glasses of whole milk throughout the day and 3 scooter pies. if u add that up i dont even think its 300grms protein but its gotta be around 700 grms carbs and probly close to 6000cals lam is right i should count everything to precise amount but i think i have a good general knowledge of how much i am consuming on a daily basis. does those figures sound accurate?
