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Chin ups (undergrip) are FAR superior to pull ups (overhand). Use a slightly wider than should width grip, this position maximizes the range of motion and lat involvement.

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TSB, why are underhand grip chin-ups better than pull-ups? I thought it would be the other way around. It seems to me I use less bicep when I do chins with a overhand grip.

Hmmm....just wondering.

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Probably, but i'm too used to it to realize..anyways, i was just reading that dumbbell vs. barbell benching and i was wondering what u meant by that not changing ur workout thing..like are you sayin that when your workout gets stale you should keep doing it?
 
Idecided to do these instead of barbell rowing...Should I do both or just chin ups? The only back working i'll be doing is deadlifting, shrugs, and which ever one is better between pull ups and chinups..I heard chinups were better somewhere..If so..how wide should my grip be?
 
What do you mean by "stale"? If you mean boared but you're still progressing then it;'s best to stick with it. If you mean progression has stopped then change it.

About the chins, no matter what grip we use the biceps will always be involved in the chin. The biceps are the weak link, meaning they limit how much you can stimulate your lats before they fail. So, by putting your hands in an undergrip position (supinated) you put your biceps in their strongest position, thus this will take longer to fatigue so you can train your lats with more weight/reps. Also, the range of motion is better. Yes you will feel your biceps working more, but that's a good thing...it just means they are working harder, and this means you can work your lats harder before the biceps give out on ya.

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What about wide grip pronated pull ups? Do those create better wings than a closer grip?....or is this one of those upper/lower/inner/outer pec questions
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That's definately a myth...could be classified as a upper/lower/inner/outer pec type thing.

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I do them wide. Works for me. I just started to do them the other way!

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I do them the way Supreme suggested.I went from wide/pronated chins to shoulder-width/supinated chins.Was able to use 15 extra pounds for the same amount of reps.
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Will chinups work both the teres major and the lats good, or should i had a set or two of bent over row or pullups? if not, then is 3-4 sets of chinups goood enough for that part of the back?
 
isn't it so that widegrip pullups or pulldowns are targeting the upper outer parts of the lats more, and chinups more the lower lats? i do both
 
BTW, how much will doing Chins/pull ups target on our Pecs? Cuz my routine is Chest on Monday, Back on Wendesday, thus if working on back will somewhat work on the Pecs, doesn't that mean I should do something in order for the latter to have enough rest?
 
LOL cytix are you serious? If you are, then no what you said is wrong.

A chin is primarily a bicep/lat exericse, so you may wanna add a row for the rhomboids, lower traps (separate insertion and origins, and fuction, thus can be separaretly targeted), teres, scapulea and all the other muscles in the middle of the back.

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:
BTW, how much will doing Chins/pull ups target on our Pecs? Cuz my routine is Chest on Monday, Back on Wendesday, thus if working on back will somewhat work on the Pecs, doesn't that mean I should do something in order for the latter to have enough rest?
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If you're working your back correctly, it should not affect your pecs.



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Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!
 
so 3 sets of chins and 2 rows? I'm also doing 2 sets of shrugs so that works the traps...for the barbell row..should i bring the weight up to my chest or tummy? because when i bring it up to my chest after a few reps my leg starts to cramp up and i heard its bad for you if you pull to the chest.
 
hey TSB,
i actually was serious, this is what i've been reading over and over,but after reading what you said, it (you)makes sense, because i know fibers either contract or not, not only on top or bottom. i have another question for you, what do you think about barbell rowing undergrip - would that be an alternative for chinups or closegrip/underhand pulldowns? and what do you think about behind the neck pulldowns?
 
I do my rows undergrip. I like it better, and the same weak link thing applies to rows too.

Don't do behind the neck exercises.

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TSB, i was serious
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, but after reading your reply, it makes sense, since musclefibers either contract lenghwise, or not. what's your opinion regarding behind the neck pulldowns as alternative for a regular bentover row for the midback)and undergrip/close row (as alternative for the chinup or closegrip pulldown)?
 
Wouldn't doing chin ups and underhand grip rows be the same thing or would the underhand grip work the same muscles as the wide overhand grip? also, do you do them wide undergrip or close undergrip?

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Don't do behind the neck exercises.

I do them slightly wider than shoulder width with an undergrip.

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ok Supreme...one last time..
3 sets of deadlifts
3 sets of chins(underhand slightly wider than shoulder width grip)
2 sets barbell row(underhand slightly wider than shoulder width grip)
2 sets shrugs

is that good enough or should i make it 3 sets or make it a wide overhand grip on the rows?
 
sorry, i pretty much posted the same thing twice previously
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, but i thought the first one didn't get posted, 'cause i couldn't see it within the next 15 min., i guess it takes a little while sometimes
 
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