Clen FAQ

[yjyankee]

I'm on about my 5th day of clen, still dosing around 60mcg max. I'm 5'7" about 170. Is 60mcg for the 2 weeks sufficient, or do I need to go up to the 120mcg? The muscle cramps kicked in big time today. Taking 500mg Taurine w/ plenty of water. Might not have had enough water today while cutting grass & other yard work.

 

[Tyler3295]

Only 500mg taurine? I usually run anywhere between 2-4g (2000-4000mg) per day...

..and really, the only person who can truly answer that is you. If you think you can handle the sides, slightly up the dosage.

 

[sassy69]

To speak to what to include, can you give some detail about your current stats & purpose for getting clen?

For general use - its not so much male or female as much as it is how much you, individually can handle. If we assume 20 mcg as a standard unit (typical size of a clen tab), and take dosing times at 2x/day, e.g. 8 am and 2 pm (no later than 3 pm or it can impact your ability to sleep well):

Day 1:
- 8 am: 20 mcg - you're starting low to find your starting threshold
If no jitters or tension headaches, then
- 2 pm: 20 mcg - if you did feel jitters, then just skip the 2pm dosing time

Day 2:
- 8 am: add another 20 mcg if no issues from previous day. If you felt a lot of tension & jitters, then just stay at the same 20 mcg
- 2 pm - if not as bad in jitters, then can do 20 mcg,

Essentially based on how you are responding to the current dose (jitters, headache, etc), either stay at the same dose as the previous dosing time, or increase by 20 mcg. If its really bad, then back off by 20 mcg.

No need to go above 100 mcg.

If you get to 100 mcg/day then just stay there.

There a couple different ways to cycle it. One way is to go 2 weeks on / 2 off. This cycle is based on the idea that it takes some time for the receptors impacted by clen, so that's the "off" 2 weeks. Then during the "on" 2 weeks you do the above increase by 20 mcg schedule the level you can handle, to 100 mcg, whichever is your upper limit. Then on the 2 weeks "off" you can switch over to an OTC thermogenic. Then when the "off" 2 weeks is over, your receptors are cleared, and you can start the ramp up cycle again. Over the course of the 2 weeks "on", you'll notice that effect of the same dose reduces over time as the receptors increase in tolerance. I.e. you have to increase the dose to get the same level of jitter or whatever is your upper limit of tolerance, over the course of the two weeks. You can cycle this 2 weeks on / 2 off for at least 3 cycles.

The other method is to stay "on" for up to 16 weeks - starting at 20 - 40 mcg and then increasing every 3 weeks to no more than 100-120 mcg. This method you're not pushing the envelope by increasing based on what you can handle.

For anything you plan to run for more than 2 weeks straight, recommended to use ketotifen (1 mg ketotifen for every 100 mcg of clen)

Also clen tends to inhibit taurine - which then causes cramping in the extremities - so you should supplement w/ l-taurine (4-5 g/day) and throw in some potassium (1-1.5 g/day). And drink lots of water.

A big part of using clen is finding an amount that doesn't completely make you miserable. IMO if you are that miserable, its going to impact your quality of recovery (sleep).

Not going to comment on t3 until we have some more details. Its not rocket science, but no controlled substance use should be taken lightly - diet & training are always your foundation.

 

[Built]

Merged, and stickied!

Thanks so much, Mudge and Sassy!

 

[yjyankee]

First off, I'll correct myself. I'm taking 5g of Taurine. My goals for this clen run is to shed a few lbs. I know that there is no magic supplement that will do this with the wrond diet & a lack of exercise. My diet is pretty clean & I make it to the gym at least 5 days a week training one body part per day with some HIIT at the end. I know on Clen that HIIT should be avoided. I've seen people taking T-3 w/ the clen, but I haven't researched that at all yet. I know the site where I get my clen has the T-3 too. I may look into it in the future. I guess my concern w/ the clen was, "is more better". I took 3 scoops of Jack3d this morning, so I won't take any clen for another few hours.

 

[Built]

You are cutting on a five-days-a-week bodypart split?

Why?

 

[yjyankee]

I'd call it more of a recomp. than a cut. What would you suggest?

 

[Built]

Recomp? UD2.0; or my lifting split, carb-cycling and cardio protocol: Got Built? » How to do Cardio if you MUST!

 

[yjyankee]

Looks like an interesting read! I'll be reading it tonight when I get home from work. Thank you-

 

[fredlabrute]

CEM liquid clen

Read label carefully,first time i use clen and i did took 200mcg(not the 20mcg i was thinking)!Was shaking so much that i did go pee and ended up masturbating myself!!!

 

[toothache]

Read label carefully,first time i use clen and i did took 200mcg(not the 20mcg i was thinking)!Was shaking so much that i did go pee and ended up masturbating myself!!!

hahaha...yep cem clen is good stuff.

 

[jesseg1988]

hi there, i just received my clen and turbine today..

how should i use it?
twice daily ? or once in the morning and how many mcg's a day?

PLEASE HELP.. thank you

 

[Built]

turbine?

 

[sassy69]

turbine?

I wanna know what "turbine" is too....!

 

[unclem]

he probably meant taurine? i liked the info on clen and t3 however i use t3 for 21 days and 2 weeks off with clen 2 wks on 2 wks off for 12 weeks plus my gear. but iam not a expert on either drug thats what works for me. top doses r t3 100mcg ed and clen i can only handle 60mcg ed. but i get severe back pumps and cramps so i take taurine 500mg in am and 500mg 3pm. 1000 mg total does it for me. but very good advice from everybody on here. imo

 

[hypaxi]

I'm posting in this thread because I can't seem to be able to create a new thread.

I've been reading a lot about clen, and I'm thinking about trying it. I've used ephedrine in the past, and I'm wondering what you guys think is the best option for me.

Which of the two suppresses your appetite the most? With ephedrine, I get good effects, but they only last for a few hours. This results in my taking fairly high doses, which I would like to be able to avoid. I've read that some people get even hungrier on clen, is that common?

Is there any danger in combining clen with a benzodiazepine, as a sleeping aid?

Does clen use result in dilated pupils in the same way that ephedrine does? This is something I want to avoid, because people around me tend to notice it and worry about it.

Does clen burn fat, or is the weight loss mainly due to extra energy, and therefore extra cardio? I feel really stupid asking these questions, but I can't seem to find straightforward answers. E.g. if two people are on the exact same diet, and none of them work out, would the person who uses clen lose more weight than the person who didn't?

I would be really thankful for answers regarding this.

 

[Built]

1) Don't know about the appetite thing as I have yet to try clen. Anecdotal reports suggest some folks feel it more from ephedrine, others more from clen. YMMV.

2) Look it up for any other asthma med, such as albuterol. If that's not safe, neither will clen.

3) Ephedrine does this? I never noticed, and I've run 80mg daily for months on end. Interesting.

4) So-called fatburners DO raise metabolic rate, slightly, but the difference is maybe a matter of a hundred or so calories a day. The biggest effect from ANY of them - other than DNP, and that's a WHOLE 'nother ball game - is mild appetite suppression, and a bit more energy while "starving".

 

[hypaxi]

Thank you for your reply.

I've considered DNP, but I don't know how to get it. I've read some about it, but I've never heard of a woman trying it, so I don't know what kind of effects it might have on me.

Yes, ephedrine dilates the pupils, mostly when you just started using it. That's a side effect that causes problems for me, as people close to me become suspicious.

(I wish I could start a thread, then I could start a thread about what I'm doing, and get some good input. Don't know why I can't.

I'm trying to find other appetite suppressants online, but I can't find any good ones. I have friends in China, do they sell better stuff there?

 

[Built]

You don't have enough posts yet. You just need to go to chat and get in on some conversations fir a bit.

I have NO idea what they have in China. Forgive me, but after the melamine in the milk thing, I don't like buying ANYTHING from China.

How much do you need to drop? What's your diet like?

 

[hypaxi]

You don't have enough posts yet. You just need to go to chat and get in on some conversations fir a bit.

I have NO idea what they have in China. Forgive me, but after the melamine in the milk thing, I don't like buying ANYTHING from China.

How much do you need to drop? What's your diet like?

I need to lose at least 10 kg. That's my first goal. I'm pretty heavy - I weigh 80 kg now and I'm 165 cm tall. I eat mainly protein - tuna, meat, chicken - and vegetables, since I'm not a big fan of carbs in any other form (except for the really bad kind - cookies, doughnuts, chocolate, stuff like that). The problem is that I'm hungry all of the time, and when I get cravings, I tend to eat very unhealthy stuff - the things I just mentioned. I eat regularly, so I don't think it's solely because of my blood sugar levels dropping. I'm on about 1000 kcal per day. I don't feel tired or anything like that, so I don't think I'm eating to little. What I feel, feels like hunger, but it's mental, and it's always cravings for unhealthy stuff. I think it's more due to mental things, than to what I'm eating.

At the moment, I don't work out, since I have inflammations in some of my major joints, but as soon as that passes, I'll start working out again. I've worked out a lot and I have a lot of body muscle compared to normal girls, so my weight isn't really as bad as it sounds.

 

[hypaxi]

I've now ordered clen (a can of 100 pills, 40 mg strength). Since I'm on ephedrine now, how long should I wait after taking my last ephedrine, before starting taking clen?

 

[Built]

hypaxi, let's get your diet sorted out while you wait for your shipment.

Can you please go to the link in my sig on "getting started" and get set up with a fitday account? 1000 cals a day is just far too low, but you're on the right track with the protein. Don't worry about the workout stuff for now, just read the diet part and report back with your numbers.

How fast are you currently dropping?

 

[hypaxi]

hypaxi, let's get your diet sorted out while you wait for your shipment.

Can you please go to the link in my sig on "getting started" and get set up with a fitday account? 1000 cals a day is just far too low, but you're on the right track with the protein. Don't worry about the workout stuff for now, just read the diet part and report back with your numbers.

How fast are you currently dropping?

I know how to plan my diet, I've studied nutrition. That's not what I'm asking about. I get enough protein (2.2 g per kg of body weight) and even though 1000 kcal sounds low, you have to consider the fact that I'm a girl who isn't very physically active at the moment. I lose about 1 kg per week. Since I'm fairly overweight, that's not too much.

Edit: I do have a question about diet, though. When on clen, what and how much should I be eating? I know that I should be taking taurine and potassium supplements, but I don't know where to find the latter.

 

[Built]

If you knew how to plan your diet for more than just nutrition, you'd know how to plan your diet so you don't get so hungry you binge.

Satiety research is my pet, hypaxi. I'm a wuss - I hate starving. I have mad skills for navigating around hunger.

Are you doing PSMF?

 

[hypaxi]

If you knew how to plan your diet for more than just nutrition, you'd know how to plan your diet so you don't get so hungry you binge.

Satiety research is my pet, hypaxi. I'm a wuss - I hate starving. I have mad skills for navigating around hunger.

Are you doing PSMF?

It's not really hunger, it's more appetite, cravings. Which is why I'm asking about appetite suppressants. I'm not interested in advice regarding my diet. If I was, I would ask. And I don't binge, I just dislike having cravings.

Yes, I'm pretty much doing PSMF.

 

[jcar1016]

I've now ordered clen (a can of 100 pills, 40 mg strength). Since I'm on ephedrine now, how long should I wait after taking my last ephedrine, before starting taking clen?

Im sure it was just a typo on your part I'm sure you meant 40 mcg right. Just thought I'd throw that out there just in case cause 40mg of clen will kill you dead sister!

 

[hypaxi]

Im sure it was just a typo on your part I'm sure you meant 40 mcg right. Just thought I'd throw that out there just in case cause 40mg of clen will kill you dead sister!

Haha, yeah, that was a typo. I actually thought about that just after posting, but I couldn't be bothered to edit it. Cheers.

 

[Built]

hypaxi, you now have enough posts that you ought to be able to start a thread.

Word to the wise - when you join a board and immediately start asking about "research chems" for weight loss - and we don't know you - don't be surprised if people start pressing you for more on your diet and training. It would be irresponsible on our part NOT to. I really don't give a rat's ass that you're not interested in advice regarding your diet. If you're doing PSMF, do it by the book, with the appropriate refeeds and supplementation.

Do you know which book I mean?

 

[hypaxi]

hypaxi, you now have enough posts that you ought to be able to start a thread.

Word to the wise - when you join a board and immediately start asking about "research chems" for weight loss - and we don't know you - don't be surprised if people start pressing you for more on your diet and training. It would be irresponsible on our part NOT to. I really don't give a rat's ass that you're not interested in advice regarding your diet. If you're doing PSMF, do it by the book, with the appropriate refeeds and supplementation.

Do you know which book I mean?

I'm not surprised, I'm just saying I'm not interested. I'm interested in advice in within a certain topic - products for weight loss and appetite suppressants - not diet and exercise. I appreciate you trying to help out, but I'm simply not interested in that kind of advice. If I knew you, I would explain why, but I don't, so I won't. Why is it so hard to respect that?

Edit: I really don't mean to be rude. I just want advice regarding the things I'm actually asking about. I would really appreciate such advice, but at the moment I don't want advice regarding my diet. When I want that kind of advice, I'll ask for it.

 

[Built]

I'm not surprised, I'm just saying I'm not interested. I'm interested in advice in within a certain topic - products for weight loss and appetite suppressants - not diet and exercise. I appreciate you trying to help out, but I'm simply not interested in that kind of advice. If I knew you, I would explain why,

Humour me. Explain it anyway.

but I don't, so I won't. Why is it so hard to respect that?

Because we don't know you. We don't know if you're an anorexic fifteen year old, a fat, middle-aged woman looking for magic beans, or an off-season bodybuilder. We don't know if you're trying to fix a shitty diet with drugs, or if you indeed DO know how to diet and are simply looking for something that will help you do what you are already doing.

Edit: I really don't mean to be rude. I just want advice regarding the things I'm actually asking about. I would really appreciate such advice, but at the moment I don't want advice regarding my diet. When I want that kind of advice, I'll ask for it.

I'm glad you don't mean to be rude. We don't mean to be unhelpful.