CNS and training to failure.

[GymJamo]

I do not do this workout yet but might in the future.....you lift every other day and thast consists of 3 differabnt workouts....so like this

1. Chest, delts, triceps
2. off....cardio
3. Lats, biceps, hamstrings, traps
4. off
5. Quads, calfs
6. off,,,cardio
7.repeat cycle

something like this

I thought it was 2xbodypart every 8 days?

 

[GFR]

I thought it was 2xbodypart every 8 days?

It is but I would change it to the one I posted

 

[brogers]

I train to failure, always, every set, but I only do one motion per body part. I train each muscle group 3x per 14 days (6 total gym days). I take 4-5 day breaks every so often. Absolutely the best training routine for strength (and mass when bulking) I personally have used.

Edit: I don't train to failure when warming up

 

[P-funk]

I train to failure, always, every set, but I only do one motion per body part. I train each muscle group 3x per 14 days (6 total gym days). I take 4-5 day breaks every so often. Absolutely the best training routine for strength (and mass when bulking) I personally have used.

Edit: I don't train to failure when warming up

Are you following HIT training?

 

[brogers]

Are you following HIT training?

I follow Doggcrapp's training, which is a spinoff of HIT.

I think I'l be sticking with it for awhile. Although, I've thought of getting into more athletic-type training (sort of like what you do?).

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

why the hell didnt they make you a mod???

Prince was going to make him one, then bigbadwolf offered her body for the position....

 

[P-funk]

I follow Doggcrapp's training, which is a spinoff of HIT.

I think I'l be sticking with it for awhile. Although, I've thought of getting into more athletic-type training (sort of like what you do?).

cool. I only asked because you need to make that stuff clear to people because some will read that as "oh, he trains everything to failure all the time so I can too." and we are trying to teach good training techniques here. So, if you are doing a HIT routine or spin off like Dogg Crapp it is good for everyone to know that and know what it is also about.

 

[Tough Old Man]

what are the benefits of this? IMO training to failure is overrated and unnecessary.

Well then I could give you a pm with a site that everyone is raving about training all muscles to failure. But hell you have your thoughts and I have mine. Maybe you should try it if you haven't already.


Tough

 

[Tough Old Man]

I'm currently using a routine put out to me by a pro bodybuilder. I have made better gains in the last 9 weeks then i did in the previous 6 months. I train ea muscle 2 times in 8 days. Ea muscle is only train with one working set. It's actually three sets in one and all are taken to failure. The are no isolation exercises and all are compounds.

As some of you know I was using DC training for about 6 months and I find this far superior.

You workout M, W and F and the workout last around 1.5 hrs. A lot of rest in there guys. After 6 weeks you take off for 10 days to recoop.

Tough

 

[ironman512]

i think training to failure works well if u spread it out over time, like train upper body to failure one week while doing legs normal than alternate the next week

 

[Squaggleboggin]

i think training to failure works well if u spread it out over time, like train upper body to failure one week while doing legs normal than alternate the next week

Complex periodization. Now that's a concept. Deloading one set of exercises while overexerting another, then switching at exact opposites. I wonder if it could be timed such that a full week of rest is needed at the same time for both sets of periodization, and then you could start each one over at the opposite end of the program from which you started last time. Hmm...

 

[P-funk]

Complex periodization. Now that's a concept. Deloading one set of exercises while overexerting another, then switching at exact opposites. I wonder if it could be timed such that a full week of rest is needed at the same time for both sets of periodization, and then you could start each one over at the opposite end of the program from which you started last time. Hmm...

if you are deloading one and over exerting another then you are not unloading your CNS which is the idea.

 

[Boost777]

Tough, can you post a more detailed version of your workout. I wanted to start training my muscles 2x a week and i'm curious to see what yours would look like. PS I see that you post a lot on the anabolic forums so if it's not for someone who doesn't use gear then nvm, but thanks anyway.

 

[CowPimp]

if you are deloading one and over exerting another then you are not unloading your CNS which is the idea.

Exactly. Overtraining of the CNS seems to be more common, not to mention overtraining a muscle is far less problematic than overtraining your CNS.

 

[soxmuscle]

i train to failure.

 

[ZECH]

Exactly. Overtraining of the CNS seems to be more common, not to mention overtraining a muscle is far less problematic than overtraining your CNS.

Correct. Most people that overtrain, have a taxed CNS. You may be recovered from a previous workout to allow another workout, but your CNS may not be. You need to allow your CNS to recover as much as your muscles.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I know most of this to be true.

But that's why I wonder about the pro's...
How are they able to train 5 days on, like they do?
I understand they are genetic freaks, and are on loads of gear, huge calories...etc etc.

But I don't see how the anabolics aid the cns recovery?

 

[CowPimp]

I know most of this to be true.

But that's why I wonder about the pro's...
How are they able to train 5 days on, like they do?
I understand they are genetic freaks, and are on loads of gear, huge calories...etc etc.

But I don't see how the anabolics aid the cns recovery?

Pro bodybuilders use a lot of isolation work in addition to their base compound stuff. This lets them beat the shit out of their muscles more than a natural trainee could with far less CNS strain.

 

[DOMS]

Is there any substance that does help in the recovery of the CNS?

 

[CowPimp]

Is there any substance that does help in the recovery of the CNS?

Anabolics might. I don't know as much about the endocrine system as I should...

 

[P-funk]

Is there any substance that does help in the recovery of the CNS?

I don't know anything about anabolics either.

Dale could probably answer this question for ya.

 

[ZECH]

A couple posts I found while searching this...........


The structural diversity of steroids that exert CNS activity is broad and they modulate their effects, not only via classical steroid receptors (oestrogen, androgen, progestin, glucocorticoid and mineralocorticoid) but also via ion channels, particularly GABAA receptors and glutamate (NMDA) receptors.


The central nervous system (CNS) is one of the main target tissues for sex steroid hormones, which act both through genomic mechanisms, modulating synthesis, release, and metabolism of many neuropeptides and neurotransmitters, and through nongenomic mechanisms, influencing electrical excitability, synaptic function, and morphological features

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

A couple posts I found while searching this...........


The structural diversity of steroids that exert CNS activity is broad and they modulate their effects, not only via classical steroid receptors (oestrogen, androgen, progestin, glucocorticoid and mineralocorticoid) but also via ion channels, particularly GABAA receptors and glutamate (NMDA) receptors.


The central nervous system (CNS) is one of the main target tissues for sex steroid hormones, which act both through genomic mechanisms, modulating synthesis, release, and metabolism of many neuropeptides and neurotransmitters, and through nongenomic mechanisms, influencing electrical excitability, synaptic function, and morphological features

Wow, so according to this, steroids DO in fact affect it to a certain degree.
Sensitivity wise...etc.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Steroids very much help with recuperation of teh CNS.

In fact, Testosterone exerts most of its effects via the CNS, I believe. Which is why you see large gains in strength, without hypertrophy the first few weeks, Test and most anabolics allow for greater motor unit recruitment.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

Steroids very much help with recuperation of teh CNS.

In fact, Testosterone exerts most of its effects via the CNS, I believe. Which is why you see large gains in strength, without hypertrophy the first few weeks, Test and most anabolics allow for greater motor unit recruitment.

Cool, thanks.

 

[DOMS]

Steroids very much help with recuperation of teh CNS.

In fact, Testosterone exerts most of its effects via the CNS, I believe. Which is why you see large gains in strength, without hypertrophy the first few weeks, Test and most anabolics allow for greater motor unit recruitment.

Are there any non-steroidal substances that also positively affects the CNS?

 

[P-funk]

Are there any non-steroidal substances that also positively affects the CNS?

caffeine.

 

[Zinthar]

Is there any consensus on how well training to failure repeatedly works for trainees that aren't on anabolics?

I'm currently doing an Upper/Lower split 3x per week split (ABA one week, BAB the next, etc.), 2-3 sets per exercise with almost exclusively compound movements, but always just train to near failure. Should I train to failure on some sets (and cut down on total # of sets)?

 

[emunah]

As far as I know, training to failure does not result in any extra signficant muscle gain compared to NOT training to failure.

So why tax the CNS for no real gain?

 

[DOMS]

caffeine.

Caffeine is classified as a methylxanthine, along with theobromine and theophylline. Of these three chemicals, caffeine had the greatest stimulant effect on the central nervous system and the skeletal muscles, and the least effect on the cardiovascular system.

Absorption of caffeine is rapid. Its effects take about 30 minutes, which is the time the peak blood levels are reached. Maximal central nervous system effects take about 2 hours and caffeine's half-life is about 3 hours. (Remember the 10-2 and 4 ads for Dr Pepper?) It is metabolized almost completely, with only 10% or less being excreted from the body unchanged.

Caffeine's stimulant action on the central nervous system is caused by its ability to block the brain's neuroreceptors for adenosine. Adenosine itself acts as a neuromodulator to produce behavioral sedation in several areas of the brain by inhibiting the release of neurotransmittors. By inhibiting adenosine's sedative effects, caffeine causes stimulation.

Low doses of about 200 mg of caffeine cause reduced drowsiness and fatigue in most individuals. The stimulant effect on skeletal muscles increases the body's ability to perform physically exhausting work for longer periods of time. The same dose of 200 mg keeps most people awake longer and causes sleep disturbances. Caffeine's stimulant qualities caused the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine to recommend ways to add caffeine to U.S. soldiers' rations. Since caffeine might give an athlete an unfair advantage, the U.S. Olympic Committee considers it a "performance enhancer", and regularly screens athletes for the drug. - from a paper presented at Penn State University by Robert L. Badgett- also published in Badgett's Coffee eJournal, Issue 4, June 16, 2000