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Conservative radio and tv personalities being hypocritical?
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I obviously was saying you were delusional in reference to your opinions on Unions.
That is what we were talking about..
By the way, S&P had been looking for a reason to downgrade the U.S. for a while and there were individuals that reported so.
yea i do
why is the US 14T in debt...unfunded wars and borrowing to pay for supply-side tax cuts that created zero jobs. the last POTUS left a tab for 10T on Obama doorstep, he spent some money on the stimulus and the rest is from reduced tax receipts, which happens during every presidency during recession recovery. this stuff is US economic history 101. Obama hasn't been able to do a thing thanks to an obstructionist GOP party. they let the BAB bond program expire so local govs had no monies to fund capital projects, and GOP governors spent stimulus money on either paying off state debt or supply side tax cuts, not what it was intended for.
where you pitching up bitch when GWB spent 1,000 days total vacation during his 2 terms?
Obama didn't create this problem he inherited it. Name one thing the GOP has done to help in the past 3 years? How many pieces of legislation for jobs has come out of the House since the GOP took control? zero...writing and proposing legislation being the main function of the House, wtf have they been doing?
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Obama had a majority in the House and the Senate for 2 years and didn't do shit, but borrow 1 trillion from China and pass his stupid health care law that is getting overturned in the courts.
It was so bad not even his own Democratic party would pass it with a public option that he wanted. He had to beg and add tons of pork to the bill just so democrats would pass it. So don't blame the GOP, he could have passed anything in those 2 years but didn't. Look I am no fan of Bush because he spent like a Democrat. If you hate Bush you should hate Obama, he has followed the same policies as Bush.
1st he borrowed and gave 700 billion plus blank check to buisnesses and banks with no ristriction, didn't give crap about the people losing their homes. This stimulus was originaly Bush's solution.
He gave 700 billion to wallstreet and banks
Cash for clunkers was a waiste of borrowed money
Then he sent 30,000 more troops into Afganistan for a surge, like Bush's surge in Iraq
Then he extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich
Then he started another war in Libya
Raised the debt ceiling without raising taxes, but by entitlement cuts
Credit rating got down graded by S&P
All while he promised umemployment wouln't rise above %8. We are at %9.1
Now do all these actions look like it was from a Democrat? If Bush did all these things you would not be defending them. Obama fooled you and everybody else who voted for him, he has added over 5 trillion to the deficit in under 3 years. Almost double what Bush did in 8 years.
And all he does is blame, blame, blame. Oh the sunami in Japan, the crisis in Europe, the GOP, the Tea Party. He is no leader. He lost the house for the democrats because he didn't do squat for 2 years. And you still support him.
He still has you fooled, Even his African American support has dropped from %90 to %80 because they see he hasn't done squat.
But what did people expect from a 2 year junior senator community organizer who has never ran anything in his life. He is just way in over his head.
This is worse than Jimmy Carters terms.
It was so bad not even his own Democratic party would pass it with a public option that he wanted. He had to beg and add tons of pork to the bill just so democrats would pass it. So don't blame the GOP, he could have passed anything in those 2 years but didn't. Look I am no fan of Bush because he spent like a Democrat. If you hate Bush you should hate Obama, he has followed the same policies as Bush.
1st he borrowed and gave 700 billion plus blank check to buisnesses and banks with no ristriction, didn't give crap about the people losing their homes. This stimulus was originaly Bush's solution.
He gave 700 billion to wallstreet and banks
Cash for clunkers was a waiste of borrowed money
Then he sent 30,000 more troops into Afganistan for a surge, like Bush's surge in Iraq
Then he extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich
Then he started another war in Libya
Raised the debt ceiling without raising taxes, but by entitlement cuts
Credit rating got down graded by S&P
All while he promised umemployment wouln't rise above %8. We are at %9.1
Now do all these actions look like it was from a Democrat? If Bush did all these things you would not be defending them. Obama fooled you and everybody else who voted for him, he has added over 5 trillion to the deficit in under 3 years. Almost double what Bush did in 8 years.
And all he does is blame, blame, blame. Oh the sunami in Japan, the crisis in Europe, the GOP, the Tea Party. He is no leader. He lost the house for the democrats because he didn't do squat for 2 years. And you still support him.
He still has you fooled, Even his African American support has dropped from %90 to %80 because they see he hasn't done squat.
But what did people expect from a 2 year junior senator community organizer who has never ran anything in his life. He is just way in over his head.
This is worse than Jimmy Carters terms.
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what pieces of legislation where passed to directly increase the deficit? name them...where are the CBO reports to show the costs?
we have a GDP of 14T, even forrest gump could figure out that reduced tax receipts cause an increase in the budget deficit, this stuff is BASIC US economic history as it happens after every single recession. reduced consumption and layoffs causes the GDP to shrink, economics at this level is basic mathematics.
and of course Obama is just like the ones before as will all the POTUS in the future. democracy in the US is an illusion, and citizen's united was the cou de gras. every single POTUS since Carter has been a puppet of the trilateral commission and the bilderberg group.
the US government functions to serve the US elite not those on mainstreet, it never has and never will not with the mindset of americans today and their extremely limited knowledge of real world economics. people pushing for reforms that will only hurt the economy and not help it.
the credit downgrading was the sole responsibility of the GOP...at no other time in US history has a balanced budget EVER been a requirement to pass a debt ceiling increase...so why this time? a balanced budget does not increase GDP but contraction of gov simulus during recession recover with high unemployment makes the problems worst not better, the forecast of GDP increase for next year is 1.7%... why is the GOP intentionally tanking the economy? why have the not lifted a finger to help employment?
and for the records republican presidents spend $3 for every $1 by democratic presidents. you guys need to get your "facts" straight..you can't change history...lol @ fiscally conservative presidents, what a farce.
all the data is below....
Budget of the United States Government: Historical Tables Fiscal Year 2009
* as I have stated many times before, the US has 2 political party's in DC one full of stupid pussy's with no spines and the other is pure evil at this point...pretty obvious which one is which
we have a 2 party system and the dems are the lesser of 2 evils. no 3rd party candidate has a prayer of becoming POTUS not with 10-20 electoral votes. a GOP president means more supply-side tax cuts when we should be raising taxes on the top earners if not just temporarily for a couple of years. I also can not support any candidate spreading the "delusion" of limited government, that will only make things worst not better...
on occasion I will defend or support democratic policy but I mainly speak out against economic policies of the GOP as they are all counter productive to what is needed to increase GDP or real incomes for middle class americans.
personally I have no problems with conservatives but their economic policies in DC are all wrong.
Why raise taxes. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Yes taxes need to be reformed, but not raised. We need a new flat tax maxed at
%25 and close all tax loopholes that let corp. like GE pay no taxes while making $14.2 billion in profits in 2010. Since they helped Obama get elected (GE owned MSNBC) they made loopholes to get GE off the hook.
A flat tax at %25 closing loopholes is estimated to bring in more revenue than the current system. The people that will benifit the most is small buisness owners. Some Republicans are for this proposal. Democrats are no because it will no longer allow them to pick and choose winners. Democrats claim they are against big buisness, but are in favor of that big buisness if they help them get elected. They just sneak loopholes to these companies while wanting to tax everybody else.
Yes taxes need to be reformed, but not raised. We need a new flat tax maxed at
%25 and close all tax loopholes that let corp. like GE pay no taxes while making $14.2 billion in profits in 2010. Since they helped Obama get elected (GE owned MSNBC) they made loopholes to get GE off the hook.
A flat tax at %25 closing loopholes is estimated to bring in more revenue than the current system. The people that will benifit the most is small buisness owners. Some Republicans are for this proposal. Democrats are no because it will no longer allow them to pick and choose winners. Democrats claim they are against big buisness, but are in favor of that big buisness if they help them get elected. They just sneak loopholes to these companies while wanting to tax everybody else.
and the US does have a revenue problem...Revenues have plunged from their peak of $2.57 trillion in 2007 to reach $2.1 trillion, or 14.8 percent of economic output in 2009 - the lowest level since the 1950s - and taxes remain that low today, according to the OMB and CBO reports.
Table 467. Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays 1960-2010
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0467.pdf
Regarding Democrats and Republicans and Taxes
The Truth about Redistribution:
Republicans Receive, Democrats Disburse
http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~garyr/C_opinion/oped/Richardson_november2009_column_economists_voice.pdf
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000035689
Revenue is only an issue because of all the spending.
Revenue is only an issue because of all the spending.
You could just as easily say spending is only a problem because of the lack of revenue.
why does economic history consistently show that conservative presidents cut taxes while NOT simultaneously reducing or requiring balanced budgets. increased spending while reducing revenue has caused massive deficits under every single republican president's since Reagan...it's the standard GOP machiavellian tactics they have been using for decades to manipulate voters, they are straight up liars when it comes to economics because the people just don't know any better.
Below are the historical tax rates from the IRS. you can correlate increases in the deficit with the years that the top tax rates were decreased, it's such an obvious pattern.
Corporation Income Tax Brackets and Rates, 1909-2002
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/02corate.pdf
I also attached a pdf document (Sources of Income) below which shows who has been benefiting from the tax cuts.
you can also take notice in the decline in the amount of income that is transferred from the gov to the individual in the different quintiles. and it plainly shows the effects that low wages have on the lowest earners. and as the reports from the ILO have shown the US suffers from the highest rate of low paid workers in the OECD at 25% of the workforce and that this is a significant factor in economic burst cycles and slow recession recovery.
the graph from the FRB in St Louis shows a nice graph in regards to the decline share of the national income going to labor which started in the 70's. you know what else started in that exact period of time, neo-liberalism....
this stuff is not rocket science....
Since 1965, spending has risen constantly. Federal revenues have dropped recently due to the economic recession, but spending has reached a record high. So no you can't say spending is problem because of revenue.
Since 1965, spending has risen constantly. Federal revenues have dropped recently due to the economic recession, but spending has reached a record high. So no you can't say spending is problem because of revenue.
and you have factored in the increase in the population and inflation in regards to spending right? you do know that inflation reduces effective tax rates don't you?
the majority of the increase in spending has to do with an aging population, healthcare and it's ever increasing costs, far more than every other country in the OECD. why is this?
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Read the top of the graph, it says inflation-adjusted Dollars. So Yes I did.
Yes the increase in population will raise spending gradually as it shows from 1965 to 2000.
Now look after Bush and Obama took office. Spending shot up through the roof. The increase due to an aging population would have kept the spending on the same steady rise since 1965. It is laughable to claim this spike in the last 10 years was due to the aging population.
Even a 10 year old can look at this graph and tell you spending is the problem.
Yes the increase in population will raise spending gradually as it shows from 1965 to 2000.
Now look after Bush and Obama took office. Spending shot up through the roof. The increase due to an aging population would have kept the spending on the same steady rise since 1965. It is laughable to claim this spike in the last 10 years was due to the aging population.
Even a 10 year old can look at this graph and tell you spending is the problem.
Since 1965, spending has risen constantly. Federal revenues have dropped recently due to the economic recession, but spending has reached a record high. So no you can't say spending is problem because of revenue.
I gave no date range to the increase in spending, you did...
lol...that chart is from the Heritage Foundation, it is useless. they manipulate all data to suite their neo-liberal agenda...
let's see what the nobel prize wining economist Paul Krugman has to say about spending under Obama...
John Taylor and the Zombies - NYTimes.com
* ok who else wants some?
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Dude, read the source at the bottom. The source is the White House Office of Managment budget. So the White House under Obama changed the graph to make themselves look bad. Dude you lost this argument, give it up.
Paul Krugmen is a far left zealot Socialist. He should move to Venenzuela
Paul Krugmen is a far left zealot Socialist. He should move to Venenzuela
most likely the data is from the WH but it doens't mean they put the graph together...
regardless, where are the bills that show the CBO costs that disprove Krugman's assement?
the POTUS just can't spend, there has to be legislation passed...where is the legislation? what are the specific bills?
And is the CBPP wrong as well?
CRITICS STILL WRONG ON WHAT???S DRIVING DEFICITS IN COMING YEARS
http://www.cbpp.org/files/12-16-09bud.pdf
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the best source for this type of info is from OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting
Banking on Becoming President | OpenSecrets
didn't need it, it's covered under the Patriot Act...
the US has had substantial assets in North Africa for 3-4 decades, it's part of the regular rotation cycle for CIA field agents, all of my friends have been there or have been forced out for not wanting to go and changed to other agency's.
Libya has the largest oil reserves in Africa
Is that what Bush promised? I don't know...don't listen to much televised news, it's all bullshit...the DOD runs US news outlets, they are told what they can and can not discuss. you will find the same names on the board of directors of major US media outlets as those on boards of the top DOD contractors.
what i do know is that the 75 year oil leases that were singed by Iraq in the 1930's to the US and UK were up and Saddam wanted to nationalize the oil industry. Saddam had also converted the reserve currency of Iraq to the Euro just as Ahmadinejad has done.
the wars in the middle east are not such much about oil as they were about the brenttwoods agreement and the role that the USD plays as the world's #1 reserve currency, aka. the dollar hedge-money.
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, I would rep ya if I could. 
