Controlled delivery of steroids from Greek internet source

[Roughneck_91]

"Not signing for mail is going to raise a red flag." - Guess what dude, you are in the middle of a controlled delivery operating under DEA authority... flags are already up and waving.

Law isn't some bullshit game where you are doing something that might make them think something, which makes you think something...no, it's how things can be used in court....

PROSECUTOR:
Officer Ballbreaker, can you tell the jury whether or not the defendant signed for the package containing (xxxxxx)?

WITNESS:
Yes. The defendant (points at you) signed for the package acknowledging ownership...

The prosecutor is not going to ask whether or not you were a nice guy, cooperative, concerned about anything... and your lawyer isn't going to ask either. Why? Because officers on scene don't have to say ANYTHING other than the information that can be used against you.

I for one don't think it's unreasonable, given todays terror threats and atmosphere, to not sign for strange packages...

Which brings us to part 2. Say you don't sign for anything, then the UO will go back and communicate it to command. That guy will likely be in contact with the DA and they will decide right there whether or not they want to proceed with the warrant.

If you turn down a package, and they still knock on your door, your not going to talk your way out of it. They either have something else on you or they have something they can leverage against you. So... dont say shit except "lawyer" immediately... first thing... that way anything that is said after that (which there shouldn't be but no one is perfect) could possibly be dismissed because you requested council.

 

[malfeasance]

It does not work that way. They will already have the warrant issued at the time of delivery. They do not need you to sign for it. They will execute the warrant as it is delivered, seize your computer, bank records, WU receipt, and so on.

Any questions?

 

[Roughneck_91]

It does not work that way. They will already have the warrant issued at the time of delivery. They do not need you to sign for it. They will execute the warrant as it is delivered, seize your computer, bank records, WU receipt, and so on.

Any questions?

I don't think you are understanding what I said...

 

[alphabolic]

It does not work that way. They will already have the warrant issued at the time of delivery. They do not need you to sign for it. They will execute the warrant as it is delivered, seize your computer, bank records, WU receipt, and so on.

Any questions?

well this is comforting....odds of this happening with a small order?

 

[malfeasance]

I don't think you are understanding what I said...

Sure I did. You said, "Say you don't sign for anything, then the UO will go back and communicate it to command. That guy will likely be in contact with the DA and they will decide right there whether or not they want to proceed with the warrant." I said, on the contrary - they will already have the warrant before attempting delivery. It is the same for other contraband. There was a mayor in some town who was having marijuana delivered to his house. They let it go through, had the search warrant ready, even shot the dogs. You can probably Google that one.

 

[malfeasance]

well this is comforting....odds of this happening with a small order?

Small. BUT - this news story Prince posted was a small order, so the odds are not zero, particularly on international orders. Remember, no probable cause is needed to inspect goods being imported.

 

[2B1]

"Not signing for mail is going to raise a red flag." - Guess what dude, you are in the middle of a controlled delivery operating under DEA authority... flags are already up and waving.

Law isn't some bullshit game where you are doing something that might make them think something, which makes you think something...no, it's how things can be used in court....

PROSECUTOR:
Officer Ballbreaker, can you tell the jury whether or not the defendant signed for the package containing (xxxxxx)?

WITNESS:
Yes. The defendant (points at you) signed for the package acknowledging ownership...

The prosecutor is not going to ask whether or not you were a nice guy, cooperative, concerned about anything... and your lawyer isn't going to ask either. Why? Because officers on scene don't have to say ANYTHING other than the information that can be used against you.

I for one don't think it's unreasonable, given todays terror threats and atmosphere, to not sign for strange packages...

Which brings us to part 2. Say you don't sign for anything, then the UO will go back and communicate it to command. That guy will likely be in contact with the DA and they will decide right there whether or not they want to proceed with the warrant.

If you turn down a package, and they still knock on your door, your not going to talk your way out of it. They either have something else on you or they have something they can leverage against you. So... dont say shit except "lawyer" immediately... first thing... that way anything that is said after that (which there shouldn't be but no one is perfect) could possibly be dismissed because you requested council.

It does not work that way. They will already have the warrant issued at the time of delivery. They do not need you to sign for it. They will execute the warrant as it is delivered, seize your computer, bank records, WU receipt, and so on.

Any questions?

I don't think you are understanding what I said...

Sure I did. You said, "Say you don't sign for anything, then the UO will go back and communicate it to command. That guy will likely be in contact with the DA and they will decide right there whether or not they want to proceed with the warrant." I said, on the contrary - they will already have the warrant before attempting delivery. It is the same for other contraband. There was a mayor in some town who was having marijuana delivered to his house. They let it go through, had the search warrant ready, even shot the dogs. You can probably Google that one.

Both of you are saying the same thing in different ways. 1) Given the situation, you're fucked no matter what you do so why give them anything more to use against you. 2) Whether you sign for the package is of little consequence. Warrant has already been issued and operation is a go obviously, (so why not just sign for it anyways). Caveat 1: Roughneck points out that based on your chosen action at the time of delivery, the already issued warrant can not be enforced were it to seem prudent. That seems like sound logic to me. There's another caveat in there somewhere but I can't remember it.

 

[Imosted]

If you are getting an order which is going to be send to you without the signature requirement then you can use a fake name, also when you send money through wu you can use the same fake name which i did in the past, only thing you have to make sure is that to get it ship to your address with regular mail and you will get your shit, if not you will receive a seizure letter to your address with the fake name you used which also happened to me, after the seizure letter and my address was in the system,couple of months later, my neighbor moved out, so the house next to me was for rental for 4 months, so i used the same deal, fake name for shipping, wu and gave my neighbors address so i just checked his mail box every couple days and got my shit...

if the post guy is not an idiot then he is not gonna ask you for signature if he does then there is nothing to do but say i don't know this person.

 

[Lordsks]

It's very simple. There will be a postal inspector at your door asking you to sign for the pack. You guys should know your regular mail guy. If he's been delivering your mail for the past few years and then out of the blue you have someone new holding your pack looking for a sig.

Just get a po box large enough for whatever and pick it up in the evenings.

 

[Mudge]

Pills and vials show up way too easily going through an Xray machine (in case your source isn't already being watched). Overseas is risky.

 

[alphabolic]

Pills and vials show up way too easily going through an Xray machine (in case your source isn't already being watched). Overseas is risky.

then why do such a small % of shipments gets seized? and what are the odds that they go after you even more then just seizing your package?