Controlling guns??

[BoneCrusher]

If gun control is an issue for you than you should enjoy this gun mod. Nothing would have stopped this guy from doing this mod. With the laws on the books in my state at least I have a chance to defend myself if he comes through my door uninvited.Anyone can do this mod. I will not post the mod, but I assure you it is easy and next to free ... around $150. This also demonstartes the waste of time that the gun control issue has become IMHO.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

The other issue with gun control is that when the citizens have no guns, the government is free to do whatever they want. The people have no ability to fight back. Our founding fathers came from Europe and kings and did not want to repeat that situation.

Hitler disarmed his people too. (and a list of other dictators of which I do not have handy now)
Mexico has gun control there. Do you feel safer there ?

Read what the "ban" was and is.Oh no Nazi Germany. You morons, it isnt taking anyones guns away. IT is gun CONTROL, not gun FORBIDDEN. Damn, when will you guys read the laws before running your soup coolers.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

The FBI crime stats show that only ONE LEGALLY owned fully automatic weapon(Class III-Tax Stamp etc...) has been used in the commision of a crime in the last 70 years. And that was by a police officer. A good machinist can make any gun automatic or make one from scratch the same way a guy in his house can grow pot.

The need for fully automatic weapons is really at the base of the second amendment. It is meant to protect the people from opression. Fighting back against the gov'ment with a musket isnt going to work well. The fact of what is happening in Iraq should show the viability of citizens with guns. And that is just a small group.

I feel bad for the people that dont think this country could ever be in such a state where they will need to defend themselves. Imagine if (or when) a large bomb or series of bombs are eventually detonated here. Caos and looting could be prevelant. Gangs could rule the streets etc. But I guess most think that cant happen. I guess you could just ask the Korean store owners who were on their roofs with AK47's keeping their shops from being destroyed and their daughters from being raped in the LA riots.

LMAO with disbelief at this moron; QUOTE"""""The need for fully automatic weapons is really at the base of the second amendment. It is meant to protect the people from opression. Fighting back against the gov'ment with a musket isnt going to work well. The fact of what is happening in Iraq should show the viability of citizens with guns. And that is just a small group.""" Are you kidding me? Those citizens in Iraq with guns has less to do with their possession of guns than our policy of not killing innocents and the fact that they were the same clothes as the good people walking down the streets, but mostly due to politics bud.

 

[Jeeper]

Arguing by calling names is really a sign of true intelligence.

If you read some previous posts then you might have an idea about what I was talking about.

As far as full auto being at the heart of the second amendment...

What are the rights in the Bill of Rights meant to do?

Possibly protect from government oppression. The second ammendment was added so that average citizens would always have the ability to group together quickly and protect themselves from an occupying army. (Kind of like happend during the war of 1812- Look it up if you arent familiar with it) That meant to equip average citizens with equivalent weapons that a enemy soldier would have. In todays militaries that would mean allowing full auto weapons. Since they are still completely legal I guess the govement and courts agree with me and not you.

The point about the insurgents in Iraq was a response to another post that said citizens with guns couldnt defeat an army. I used Iraq as an example of how a small and unpopular group that has weapons could be very effective in denying an occupying force. If the group was larger then imagine what they could do.

 

[Jeeper]

Read what the "ban" was and is.Oh no Nazi Germany. You morons, it isnt taking anyones guns away. IT is gun CONTROL, not gun FORBIDDEN. Damn, when will you guys read the laws before running your soup coolers.

If you don think that people make stricter and stricter laws in a stair step fashion then I feel bad for you. The SAME PEOPLE that introduced the assault weapons ban introduced another "addition" about 2 years later. This one BANNED any caliber that could penetrate a bulletproof vest. Oh wait...THAT IS EVERY SINGLE HUNTING RIFLE ON THE PLANET. Fortunatetly it didnt pass. But I guess their objective wasn't a ban then either huh?

 

[milliman]

When will you gun fags stop using the 228 year old Constitution to impose your morals and ethics on people.

You, my friend, are a baffoon.

We are a country based on laws, not the whims of an individual like yourself.
How can you even say that we should trash the original document that this great country is based on then imply that it is imposing morals or ethics on you. The 2nd amendment is not a moral or ethical issue, unless you do not understand those words. Alas, maybe I have attributed too much intelligence to you.

If you want to find out what was intended by the law or a constitutional amendment, then you go back and look at the discussions that went on at the time. It becomes very clear.

People who want to change history just leave all that out. And you bought it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Jeeper]

37 @ 182 lbs

Damn that is a lot of pull-ups!!!

 

[milliman]

Read what the "ban" was and is. You morons, it isnt taking anyones guns away. IT is gun CONTROL, not gun FORBIDDEN. Damn, when will you guys read the laws before running your soup coolers.

If you never look at history, you are bound to repeat it. T. ROOSEVELT

If you learn your history, then you can avoid the same mistakes.
Most governments impose restrictions incrementally. If that word is too big for you, it basically means one step at at time. First it is registration, then outlaw a gun or a part, etcetera. It just keeps on going until they are all gone.

Ever hear the frog in the boiling water story ?
If you put a frog in boiling water, he will jump out.
But if you put him in cool water and turn up the heat so it comes to a boil, he will stay in until it is too late.

I believe NY made everyone register their guns. Then they made them illegal to own. Since they were all registered (by law abiding citizens anyhow), they knew who should be turning them in.

Just listen to the groups who expouse gun control. If that word is not in your vocabulary either, it means to promote. They want to make all gun ownership illegal. That is where it is going buddy. But to get there they have to kill the 2nd amendment.

 

[milliman]

Arguing by calling names is really a sign of true intelligence.

Jeeper, I think the quote on this is as follows,

"Show me a debater that resorts to personal attacks or name calling, and I will show you a debater who has lost"

37 @ 182 lbs

Damn that is a lot of pull-ups!!!

Thanks, I get a lot of looks at the gym when I do them.
Its that look of "Dang, when is he going to stop"