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[h=1]"I Am Sorry That It Has Come to This": A Soldier's Last Words[/h]
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Daniel Somers was a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was part of Task Force Lightning, an intelligence unit. In 2004-2005, he was mainly assigned to a Tactical Human-Intelligence Team (THT) in Baghdad, Iraq, where he ran more than 400 combat missions as a machine gunner in the turret of a Humvee, interviewed countless Iraqis ranging from concerned citizens to community leaders and and government officials, and interrogated dozens of insurgents and terrorist suspects. In 2006-2007, Daniel worked with Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) through his former unit in Mosul where he ran the Northern Iraq Intelligence Center. His official role was as a senior analyst for the Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, and part of Turkey). Daniel suffered greatly from PTSD and had been diagnosed with traumatic brain injury and several other war-related conditions. On June 10, 2013, Daniel wrote the following letter to his family before taking his life. Daniel was 30 years old. His wife and family have given permission to publish it.
I am sorry that it has come to this.
The fact is, for as long as I can remember my motivation for getting up every day has been so that you would not have to bury me. As things have continued to get worse, it has become clear that this alone is not a sufficient reason to carry on. The fact is, I am not getting better, I am not going to get better, and I will most certainly deteriorate further as time goes on. From a logical standpoint, it is better to simply end things quickly and let any repercussions from that play out in the short term than to drag things out into the long term.
You will perhaps be sad for a time, but over time you will forget and begin to carry on. Far better that than to inflict my growing misery upon you for years and decades to come, dragging you down with me. It is because I love you that I can not do this to you. You will come to see that it is a far better thing as one day after another passes during which you do not have to worry about me or even give me a second thought. You will find that your world is better without me in it.
I really have been trying to hang on, for more than a decade now. Each day has been a testament to the extent to which I cared, suffering unspeakable horror as quietly as possible so that you could feel as though I was still here for you. In truth, I was nothing more than a prop, filling space so that my absence would not be noted. In truth, I have already been absent for a long, long time.
My body has become nothing but a cage, a source of pain and constant problems. The illness I have has caused me pain that not even the strongest medicines could dull, and there is no cure. All day, every day a screaming agony in every nerve ending in my body. It is nothing short of torture. My mind is a wasteland, filled with visions of incredible horror, unceasing depression, and crippling anxiety, even with all of the medications the doctors dare give. Simple things that everyone else takes for granted are nearly impossible for me. I can not laugh or cry. I can barely leave the house. I derive no pleasure from any activity. Everything simply comes down to passing time until I can sleep again. Now, to sleep forever seems to be the most merciful thing.
You must not blame yourself. The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of.
To force me to do these things and then participate in the ensuing coverup is more than any government has the right to demand. Then, the same government has turned around and abandoned me. They offer no help, and actively block the pursuit of gaining outside help via their corrupt agents at the DEA. Any blame rests with them.
Beyond that, there are the host of physical illnesses that have struck me down again and again, for which they also offer no help. There might be some progress by now if they had not spent nearly twenty years denying the illness that I and so many others were exposed to. Further complicating matters is the repeated and severe brain injuries to which I was subjected, which they also seem to be expending no effort into understanding. What is known is that each of these should have been cause enough for immediate medical attention, which was not rendered.
Lastly, the DEA enters the picture again as they have now managed to create such a culture of fear in the medical community that doctors are too scared to even take the necessary steps to control the symptoms. All under the guise of a completely manufactured ?overprescribing epidemic,? which stands in stark relief to all of the legitimate research, which shows the opposite to be true. Perhaps, with the right medication at the right doses, I could have bought a couple of decent years, but even that is too much to ask from a regime built upon the idea that suffering is noble and relief is just for the weak.
However, when the challenges facing a person are already so great that all but the weakest would give up, these extra factors are enough to push a person over the edge.
Is it any wonder then that the latest figures show 22 veterans killing themselves each day? That is more veterans than children killed at Sandy Hook, every single day. Where are the huge policy initiatives? Why isn?t the president standing with those families at the state of the union? Perhaps because we were not killed by a single lunatic, but rather by his own system of dehumanization, neglect, and indifference.
It leaves us to where all we have to look forward to is constant pain, misery, poverty, and dishonor. I assure you that, when the numbers do finally drop, it will merely be because those who were pushed the farthest are all already dead.
And for what? Bush?s religious lunacy? Cheney?s ever growing fortune and that of his corporate friends? Is this what we destroy lives for
Since then, I have tried everything to fill the void. I tried to move into a position of greater power and influence to try and right some of the wrongs. I deployed again, where I put a huge emphasis on saving lives. The fact of the matter, though, is that any new lives saved do not replace those who were murdered. It is an exercise in futility.
Then, I pursued replacing destruction with creation. For a time this provided a distraction, but it could not last. The fact is that any kind of ordinary life is an insult to those who died at my hand. How can I possibly go around like everyone else while the widows and orphans I created continue to struggle? If they could see me sitting here in suburbia, in my comfortable home working on some music project they would be outraged, and rightfully so.
I thought perhaps I could make some headway with this film project, maybe even directly appealing to those I had wronged and exposing a greater truth, but that is also now being taken away from me. I fear that, just as with everything else that requires the involvement of people who can not understand by virtue of never having been there, it is going to fall apart as careers get in the way.
The last thought that has occurred to me is one of some kind of final mission. It is true that I have found that I am capable of finding some kind of reprieve by doing things that are worthwhile on the scale of life and death. While it is a nice thought to consider doing some good with my skills, experience, and killer instinct, the truth is that it isn?t realistic. First, there are the logistics of financing and equipping my own operation, then there is the near certainty of a grisly death, international incidents, and being branded a terrorist in the media that would follow. What is really stopping me, though, is that I simply am too sick to be effective in the field anymore. That, too, has been taken from me.
Thus, I am left with basically nothing. Too trapped in a war to be at peace, too damaged to be at war. Abandoned by those who would take the easy route, and a liability to those who stick it out?and thus deserve better. So you see, not only am I better off dead, but the world is better without me in it
This is what brought me to my actual final mission. Not suicide, but a mercy killing. I know how to kill, and I know how to do it so that there is no pain whatsoever. It was quick, and I did not suffer. And above all, now I am free. I feel no more pain. I have no more nightmares or flashbacks or hallucinations. I am no longer constantly depressed or afraid or worried
I am free.

I ask that you be happy for me for that. It is perhaps the best break I could have hoped for. Please accept this and be glad for me.
Daniel Somers


what do you think he means that he feels abandoned by those who would take the easy route? i think he means abandoned by soldiers who know what went on there and just keep waving the flag and beating their chest. men and women who don't scream foul at the top of their lungs and tell the truth about it. men ready to march right off and do it again.
 
fuck you and your flag. you really think american soldiers don't commit war crimes? most of our wars now ARE crimes. they are illegal wars fought for all the wrong reasons. i'm sick of kids being killed, innocents, civilians, on both sides by fucking undereducated pawns being controlled by a bunch of evil cocksuckers making up bullshit about weapons of mass destruction etc to send the mindlessly obedient to war.

it can be prevented by not fighting stupid fucking wars we have no business fighting.

and by this

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did i ever say i support going to war on syria your an idiot. your true colors come out what you really think about the American Flag with that statement right there. I never once said lets go to war in syria i am against this war as I am against us still being in Iraq and Afgan.. But putting up a picture of a soldier with her daughter saying she killed kids when females do not even go into direct combat. The ones that do see combat are during convoys and would not have the opportunity to go into a mission where children would be at risk. If you posted a picture of the Black Water guys who killed innocents i would be fine with that or a different veteran who is guilty of a war crime that is different. However, the image you displayed shows a proud mother who probably has not seen her daughter for 18 months in a reunion with no factual evidence of what she did over seas. She could have been coming back from boot camp for you all you know and you support slandering that image.

I think very few military members support the war any war, we serve because someone has to serve this country in hopes to defend its freedoms. It is not our fault the president you voted for wants to go to war. I also did not vote for Bush in that election I voted independant so dont pull the bush card out. What do you expect military service memebers to do that have 16 years in just get out and lose all benefits? your a tool LW and only care about your self. And if you really think the images you posted of the soldiers, marines, and sailor saying they wont go to war would support your slandering of a female veteran your wrong.

You may not have to support the diplomatic decisions our country makes, but for fuck sake support the members who are willing to die so you can be an idiot.
 
Here are some pics to support those who serve and those who have served and the sacrifices that we have made to protect this Flag that LW says to fuck. I may not be willing to give my life for this president, but I would die to make sure this flag forever flies high.

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So you can copy paste all the bullshit you want, so you feel like you know whats going on, but until you have fought and been to war your words are worthless. I do not condone war crimes and units who conduct them selves in non professional manners, however i know what its like to get shot at by a 12 year old kid, i know what its like to not be able to search females when they cross our boarders and then to find out one of them had an IED that killed 20 people. Fearing everyday if the kid that I bring sodas and candy to is going to kill me the next day, but i do it any way because its the right thing to do. I wake up in the middle of the night to the sounds of rockets hitting the ground or new bullet holes in our tents. but every morning i wake up to lace up my boots to risk my life, not for the political mistakes my country may have made, but in hopes to maybe make a change in this world. A dream that one day freedom will be expressed by all... That is what a Service member feels deep down inside. not the war mongering i kill children shit your posting.
 
Now because some idiot wanted to be funny and express their opinion on an image, that image could easily circulate her schools and ect. How would you feel if one of those provocative pictures of you went around your daughters school when she was in elementary saying im a whore and love black cock. Weither it is true or not, how would you feel to see your daughter coming home upset due to that. Fuck that you dont portray people with that image unless they are guilty of it. If there was factual evidence that she killed babies over seas then fuck her, but to me she is a heroic strong women then makes sacrifices to defend this country. So go a head and keep shitting on our service members LW, we know how you really feel now. Why dont you go burn the flag and flip off some disabled vets and call them baby killers to their face. Have some fucking balls and step up and tell it to their face, because everything I say about spineless pieces of shits that disrespect our service members I said this to their faces. I dont respect the war but I respect our service members.
 
I didn't read the whole thread..but I will say if you haven't been in a war zone yourself you should stfu...cause you don't have one clue as to what goes on..

There's three kinds of people that come home from war...there's the selfish combat soldier who only cares about his unit...his ranger buddy and himself...and lives a normal long life..

Then there's the one who gets screwed up in the head and turns to booze and dope to ride out the nightmare of war..

And lastly is the one who can't handle it..call it PTSD or whatever...but this one is the 22% that off's himself due to the pain..

Trust me guy number one is the guy you want to be....he survives and goes home to his wife..kids...family and life...


Stay alert ...Stay alive....
 
I didn't read the whole thread..but I will say if you haven't been in a war zone yourself you should stfu...cause you don't have one clue as to what goes on..

There's three kinds of people that come home from war...there's the selfish combat soldier who only cares about his unit...his ranger buddy and himself...and lives a normal long life..

Then there's the one who gets screwed up in the head and turns to booze and dope to ride out the nightmare of war..

And lastly is the one who can't handle it..call it PTSD or whatever...but this one is the 22% that off's himself due to the pain..

Trust me guy number one is the guy you want to be....he survives and goes home to his wife..kids...family and life...


Stay alert ...Stay alive....

it doesnt matter if i am still serving or not serving, i will all ways respect the service members who come home, if they did the right thing over their or not. Unless your over their NO one period can judge their actions. people dont have the slightest clue the emotions that go on. The camp next to use had 2 kids suicide bomb our defac, we had an infantry member kill him self because he shot a child because the child was shoting at our convoy. He had nightmares about it for months and went nuts. I have been in firefights for so long you have to piss your self because the last thing you want is having to take a piss affect your ability to combat the situation. Then the thing you all ways here from wounded service members when can i get back out their, when they are blown apart, I need to get back to my guys. They dont say i need to go fight for the fat politicians, its for the family, flag, and brother hood.
 
Just so everyone knows, a very small amount basically a handful of people actually see combat and get to fire their weapon the large portion of service members are support. if you go to a base lets say average size is 30,000 you have hospitals motor pools tons of office personnel I would guess that less than a third are directly trained for combat. It pisses me off all the propaganda shit that is started by nonners and unless you actually contribute or do any real hands on work in the military that can be considered mission related you are a nonner ( non-essential personnel )
 
yeah and most of the war crimes are committed by the contractors. Most of the ones i worked with were cowboys who got out of the military for selfish reasons and dont give a fuck about the country they just love war and money. You get the infantry guy who couldnt make SF so he gets out and does this. The only contractors that respected were the retired active duty ones that still wanted to serve. Yeah initially I went to Iraq my last tour just for support working in the JOC but the aussies lost their mobile comms guy, so i got voluntold to go work with the AUS. It was pretty cool though got to wear their uniform with US Navy on it and the American Flag. Also got to drink on sundays with them :)
 
When you join the military your young and all you know is living at home with your parents, your basically a teenager with shit for brains. These hippy tree huggers like to brand service members and make heinous images to offend people and degrade our troops yet wont get off their ass and do nothing about it. Take it up with your congressmen, go protest, seems like they all voted for Obama thinking it was gonna change the world and look where we are today. Fucking cowards on the internet is all they are with their conspiracy videos and doctored up photos.
 
yup, i challenge everyone to serve, if your anti war thats cool join the peace corpse and leave for a year helping the needy, be a volunteer fire fighter and go fight some of these forest fires that are going on, but they have no desire to have that level of sacrifice. They are to busy bad mouthing the military, but are unwilling to do any thing unselfish that does not benefit them. We have a reservist in our unit that makes 200k a year but has no degree, enlisted to serve because he was inspired by his younger brother. He is an E3 in the Navy, but takes time away from his company to be in the reserves. Tons of great people out there. Or the Dr.'s that make allot of money who are reserve dr's and do it to help out. Some of them are actually do it for no pay as well or donate their reserve pay back to the wounded warriors.
 
there fvcking taunting us now,calling the west cowards " a historical retreat " said one newspaper today.

Great, does that make you angry to the point you become aggresive and out of control? then good sheep, keep marching. :coffee:
 
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what a fucking brilliant post. Put a military vets moms face on a picture illustrating children being murdered. FUCK you for that one LW you say some off the wall stuff but to slander a military vet like that and supporting that image is fucking stupid. Yes there are children dying at war, there is no way it can be prevented, its sad but its reality. Another note if a child is holding an AK-47 or is a suicide bomber would you give up your life and allow that child to kill you. You have zero concept of what is going out there. I lost allot of friends because we provide aid to children and then come back after a month of helping them out to lead us to road side bombs and kill our teams. So yes here is a big middle finger to you. fucking anti veteran, that shit just pushed me over the edge. just keep sitting on your ass judging other people while you yet to do NOTHING to serve your country. :winkfinger:

just cause LW never served in the military doesn't mean she cant be critical of it. isnt that kinda the fundamental reasons our forefathers started this nation.
 
This you fuckers, x1000

when your government cant afford planes or boats to fight wars in other in other countries it has to fight with its self... nothing noble about a revolution.... Its just another regime change.

by the way chico hows your Bf at the shamoo factory?
 
It seems the human side, or the one that's doing the fighting, the foot soldier makes his own policy, trust me, he doesn't.
 
did i ever say i support going to war on syria your an idiot. your true colors come out what you really think about the American Flag with that statement right there. I never once said lets go to war in syria i am against this war as I am against us still being in Iraq and Afgan.. But putting up a picture of a soldier with her daughter saying she killed kids when females do not even go into direct combat. The ones that do see combat are during convoys and would not have the opportunity to go into a mission where children would be at risk. If you posted a picture of the Black Water guys who killed innocents i would be fine with that or a different veteran who is guilty of a war crime that is different. However, the image you displayed shows a proud mother who probably has not seen her daughter for 18 months in a reunion with no factual evidence of what she did over seas. She could have been coming back from boot camp for you all you know and you support slandering that image.

I think very few military members support the war any war, we serve because someone has to serve this country in hopes to defend its freedoms. It is not our fault the president you voted for wants to go to war. I also did not vote for Bush in that election I voted independant so dont pull the bush card out. What do you expect military service memebers to do that have 16 years in just get out and lose all benefits? your a tool LW and only care about your self. And if you really think the images you posted of the soldiers, marines, and sailor saying they wont go to war would support your slandering of a female veteran your wrong.

You may not have to support the diplomatic decisions our country makes, but for fuck sake support the members who are willing to die so you can be an idiot.

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...to be honest in our countries policies maybe we should fly a dollar sign above our flag or the chinese flag. maybe we can design a new flag that shows corporations 69ing with politicians and treading on the common man while the poor and downtrodden are fed into a grinder. room for a little tax man on there somewhere pissing on our schools and wiping his ass with our tax dollars. have a laughing asian on the other side with a big bold made in china punch line. sprinkle around some homeless veterans. :coffee:

and i will go on record as saying in my opinion real women take care of their kids not play soldier. that's a man's job. something fucking wrong with a female that can leave her kids like that.
 
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fighting for america just loses so much of it's glory when you take a good hard look at how things are being done here. we are neck deep in fucking clusterfuck bullshit and i find it real hard to be flag waving proud of the sickening stench of losing freedom after freedom, being spied on, the stop and frisk crap.... i don't buy the big lie. there's a LOT more to be ashamed of than proud of.
 
Here are some pics to support those who serve and those who have served and the sacrifices that we have made to protect this Flag that LW says to fuck. I may not be willing to give my life for this president, but I would die to make sure this flag forever flies high.

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we have all seen these and they are amazing. but it's not the whole picture and you know it.

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and i will go on record as saying in my opinion real women take care of their kids not play soldier. that's a man's job. something fucking wrong with a female that can leave her kids like that.

Most people join the military at a young age weather it be to fight for their country or further their education. If a war breaks out then it's their job to go over and support their role in the field. My mom was an Army nurse that helped the wounded during the Gulf War, is that playing soldier?
 
how old were you when she went? if you were still a dependent child it's my opinion she had a more important job to do. i'm 52 and of family and friends who have served i know many forbid their children to enlist. not because being a soldier is dishonorable but because they way this country uses them dishonors all of us.
 
how old were you when she went? if you were still a dependent child it's my opinion she had a more important job to do. i'm 52 and of family and friends who have served i know many forbid their children to enlist. not because being a soldier is dishonorable but because they way this country uses them dishonors all of us.

I was young and so were my siblings. Both of my parents were deployed but they had no other choice. What can they do go AWOL and ruin the rest of their life? You can't find a good career if you are dishonorably discharged.

I don't know maybe I read more into your comment then what I should have but I didn't like the statement.
 
I was young and so were my siblings. Both of my parents were deployed but they had no other choice. What can they do go AWOL and ruin the rest of their life? You can't find a good career if you are dishonorably discharged.

I don't know maybe I read more into your comment then what I should have but I didn't like the statement.

i'm sorry if i offended you. no way in hell i could have left my kids or put myself in a position i'd have to.
 
I was young and so were my siblings. Both of my parents were deployed but they had no other choice. What can they do go AWOL and ruin the rest of their life? You can't find a good career if you are dishonorably discharged.

I don't know maybe I read more into your comment then what I should have but I didn't like the statement.

i'm a little out of touch with current military SOP's..isn't it a reg that both parents cant be deployed if they have minor children in there care..even if they are divorced?..just curious if that policy has changed due to the large amount of troops deployed..
 
just cause LW never served in the military doesn't mean she cant be critical of it. isnt that kinda the fundamental reasons our forefathers started this nation.

there is one thing to be a critic of military actions, but to say a women in a picture who serves killed innocent children is horrendous and slanderous on her part. The military it self makes TONS of stupid decisions because they are made by people who have no clue what war is actually like and are not their in the work force conducting business. You can be judge those who make mistakes, but that image portrays all military service members as baby killers. That I take great offence with, after my first tour to Iraq after buring friends who i grew up with. Where I live we are a small town, but have lost the most amount of people to this war based on population. 3 guys just in my class together died and my friends mother lost 2 of her kids in the same year. But besides that after going to their funerals and getting home back to san diego I was greated with people throwing rocks at me and spitting on me. After I got back from Thailand I flew in to LAX and had some one verbally abuse me and I was on a humanitarian effort. People are ignorant and i find it funny they LW cares so much for the poors feelings and needs but has no care for the service memebers.
 
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and i will go on record as saying in my opinion real women take care of their kids not play soldier. that's a man's job. something fucking wrong with a female that can leave her kids like that.

how is that wrong? she is taking care of her kids, providing full medical benefits, in most states a free college education, you have no right to judge some one that you have no clue about period. Lets see how well and successful your kids are compared to some of the military moms and see how your parenting levelled up.

A real parent will put their lives on the line to make sure their child is provided for. How do you know she isnt a single mom and the military is the only way she can support her child without being on welfare and she has family support when she deploys. I know TONS of single moms in the military that wouldnt be able to make close to the amount of money as a civillian or provide for their children with the equal life style. You throw stones at people that you have no clue about.
 
fighting for america just loses so much of it's glory when you take a good hard look at how things are being done here. we are neck deep in fucking clusterfuck bullshit and i find it real hard to be flag waving proud of the sickening stench of losing freedom after freedom, being spied on, the stop and frisk crap.... i don't buy the big lie. there's a LOT more to be ashamed of than proud of.

maybe i pitty you more then despise you but the flag does not represent the corrupt politicians that ruin our gov't. The gov't is not America. America is the people, the people who wake up every day to go to work, go to school, the truck drivers busting their ass to get loads in on time, the constructionmen working in 110 degree heat, the military service members who are willing to die for their people and put up with bull shit wars just so they can serve their country. The Flag represents the constitution, the founding fathers who risked it all by signing it. The level of courage and independence that someone can have. The is the American Flag... So yes I would die for that flag and I would die for America, but i will not fight a politicians war.

I would take up arms to defend this constitution and this land, because I value what it means to be free. While the only experience you have is finding uncredited youtube videos, i have seen sex trafficing, slavery, murder, hangings, 3rd world countries and what its like not to be free. Their is no video that can EVER express these problems. That is why i fight and love this country so much, because as you bitch about some of the stupid shit in this country you have zero conception of what not being free is like.

Maybe you are just to quick to give up because our politicians are fucking tools, and the one if office is destroying our country if not more then Bush did. But I will never give up on this land, I owe it to my family and my brother hood. Every one in the past in WW1 and WW2 who died to protect those stars. Its called patriotism, something you may never be able to express. But do your self a favor next time you hear the national anthem play. Don't fake it and lie, just sit down and put your head down. You do the flag is disjustice if you were to embrace it like everyone else.
 
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