Cycle thoughts... NPP to small first run with Tren

[DaBeast25]

Currently my cycle is laid out as follows...
Week 1-8
Npp at 165mg eod ~580mg/week
TPA at 70mg eod  ~250mg/week
Anavar at 50mg ed(for 7 weeks just because thats how much I had)

I'm starting to toy around with the idea of bumping the cycle to 10 weeks total and trying Tren at a low dose for the last 3-4 weeks of this cycle

Option 1- run NPP at same dose until week 6 or 7... then drop it and run Tren for the remaining 3-4 weeks.
Option 2- run NPP at same dose until week 6 or 7, but keep a small dose for joint/injury purposes(this was a large rational for running this cycle) while adding Tren for the remaining 3-4 weeks.
Option 3- forget Tren this go-round and just run what I initially planned.

I'm not looking to extend the cycle any further as I've realized over the course of time that I just get more sides and shittier recovery when staying on too long.  Ran NPP, Test, Dbol last year for 8 weeks and had a great recovery.  <br>I have plenty of ancillaries already.  If I do try Tren, I want to start really conservative.  I work long days and am up 5am or earlier most days.  Insomnia would seriously f*ck me up.  When I'm on pretty much anything my face gets pretty red, especially when I train so I don't want it to get any more obvious.  I can't be sweating profusely and out of breathe all day either or my clients are going to be onto something... I'd rather just start small with no sides first.

Opinions?

 

[DaBeast25]

Goals for this cycle initially were to help rehab some nagging injuries (NPP worked great for this in the past) while putting on some weight. I'm 2 weeks in up about 7-8 lbs so far.

I don't cycle on and off all year, I've just been running one relatively short or mild cycle every spring. If I did add Tren I would want to get some retainable LBM out of it... I could care less about how great it would make me look for those 3-4 weeks.

 

[bocn]

Im def not a vet or would I be talking from experience about the tren but from what ive read id probably hold off on it this cycle so you can really get the true benefits of it next go round and run it alittle longer. 2 cents

 

[munkhbat25]

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[andyrogers151]

im taking tren with test 250 1mil every other day. im just finishing my 3rd week..can I add testabolin at this stage or is it not advisable

 

[SoCalSwole]

You can definitely do that. I have seen quite a few guys that know what hey are doing, do just that. Start with the deca and test for the first 6 weeks then go to tren for another 6 weeks. I would go off of the NPP altogether at week 6. The idea is too bring on some "watery" gains with the nandrolone then to harden it up with the tren and save the anavar for the last half and run with the tren.

The only things I see that you might consider is

1. If you plan on going off and not cruise/blast then run HCG the whole length of the cycle. 250iu 3Xs a week is plenty.
2. You did not mention any AI's You will need something. I would go with Exemestane at 12.5mg ED.
3. Some will say you need a prolactin inhibitor. It's a good idea to have one on hand, but I personally subscribe to the theory that if you keep Estro in check you don't need it.
4. Your test might be a little low for the first 8 weeks. Most like to run a little higher while on NPP. 300mg would be a safe compromise. You can go back down to 250 when you add the tren in. Some like to keep test high while on tren. I personally see it as a waste, and only makes you combat more sides. Tren occupies the same receptors as test so if you run it high you just have more test floating around converting to E. Plus I see test as something to always have laying around in surplus. It should be the base of all your cycles not including tren. So makes sense to conserve it when you can.

So in a perfect world this is how I would run such a cycle.

weeks 1-6

dbol 40 mgs a day split in 8 hr intervals
600 NPP a week pin EOD
test P 300 a week Pin EOD
HCG 250 IU 3 times a week
Exemestane 12.5 mg ED

weeks 6-12

Tren a 300 a week pin EOD or ED if you can handle it.
test P 250 a week, same as above
Anavar 50 mg split into 2 times a day
HCG 250iu 3 times a week
Exemestane 12.5 mg ED

Have cabergoline or prami on hand just in case.

But don't ever start a cycle without having all your stuff. Good luck

 

[SoCalSwole]

One last thing. If your going to run tren then plan on running it. What i mean is don't plan a run shorter than 6 weeks. It doesn't make sense you will be shut down really hard so a proper and aggressive PCT is needed. So if your going to risk it then go for it. 6 weeks is barely enough time on it. You will be jumping off just when it starts getting good. Also stick to tren A until you figure out what dose you can handle. Tren E takes a good 2 weeks to start contributing so you lose 2 weeks in a short 6 week cycle. Good quality tren A I feel like in 2 days and its hitting full force by day 8.

Don't get to caught up in the hype as long as your not a dumb ass its very tolerable. 99% of the time where you hear horror stories is because guys were either stupid with the dose or did not plan a proper cycle. Guys think its like test and inject 750mg the first week and use tren E, they think their gear is low dosed because by day 10 they still can't feel it so they hit it again but this time got to a gram and then 5 days later they are overdosed by almost a gram and with the E ester its a long 2 weeks until they get relief. Don't be an idiot and you will be fine.

Plan on 10 weeks and if you have to jump off by week 8 so be it. Tren is kind of like that crazy chick you dated and the first 2 months were like the best ever. Crazy sex, 3 somes with her friends then about week 12-14 she wants out but you won't let her and it just gets nasty and she starts fucking your friends and your brother, she wrecks your car and gives you Gonorrhea. Tren is a lot like that. She will tell you when shes done with you. Just be smart and listen and then in a few months she will come back to you for another 12 weeks of bliss

 

[andyrogers151]

im now on day 1 of week 4 realy inprest with result so far. plan is to get to 8 week as not getting many sides other than real bad night sweats. it feels like pints im losing it take over an hour to dry the bed..our lass is going potty is there any way to stop them or tame them some how?

 

[VictorZ06]

Read post # 14 in this thread, should help you out a great deal and it's comparable to what SoCalSwole is saying....

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/206998-Tren-vs-Deca


"Well...I've reached a point in my life where I really don't plan on using much more AAS. I will however continue to use those awesome GreyTops I'm using (HGH). I hit my goal that I have been trying to reach for a better part of my life.....having said that, I've run many many cycles, and towards the last few years, I began to understand and figure out what works best for ME. Now, before I go any further...you have to understand that we all have different goals and different compounds work differently for different people. So what worked for me may not work the same way for the next guy.

I started weight training in high school. All natural. Peanut butter and milk were my "sups". I'd go thru a gallon and a jar a day. When I got a little older, I started using AAS....my senior year in high school to be exact. I was really into wrestling, and was looking for every edge I could get. Moving on...I started using AAS on and off for several years. Long story short, I maxed out at 250lbs. I ran several more cycles, but I really couldn't add more LBM without adding more body fat. So, that's when I started to use GH and slin (along with IGF). The only way I broke 250lbs was with GH and slin. Without them, I could not have passed that mark. So I did a lot of homework and research. I probably spent a solid 6 months of research before I started because I was warned and aware of all the risks and dangers involved. There was a time I wanted to go pro....but life got in the way and that never happened.

Leaving out my GH and slin protocols, I was looking a for a way to continue to add solid LBM without putting on mass, and than losing some of it at the end of my program. And like I said, I would basically use deca to fill up on, and tren to harden out. You asked what more there was to that. Well, during the first 6 weeks.....my cycle looked like what one might call a "bulk" cycle. And the last 6 weeks would look more like what many call a "cutting" cycle. IMHO, you can cut and bulk with just about any AAS. What happens in the kitchen and in the gym dictates what your ultimate results are.

Using that 12 cycle as an example, I would run proviron for the entire duration of my cycle, minus PCT. I used to run 50mg ED waaaay back in the day, but I slowly learned that higher doses of proviron where FAR FAR more effective for ME. My proviron dose at one point was 150mg ED. During the 12 week cycle, I would also run test at a dose no lower than 1g EW....sometimes 1200, sometimes 1500. My sweet spot was 1200mg EW. During the first 6 weeks, I was using deca along with NPP....the NPP was being used until the deca started to take full effect. BUT...I would actually run the NPP for the full 6 weeks along with regular deca. I also used test prop until the test e started to work. But like the NPP....I ran it for the full 6 weeks, so I was actually using more than 1200mg EW. My orals. Anadrol is king, but I also like dbol as well. I was running 100mg of anadrol along with 50mg of dbol for the first 6 weeks as well. The deca/npp, anadrol, dbol all packed on mass (some water) and are generally compounds used for "bulking". HCG and caber were being used as well throughout the entire cycle. I also used arimadex during my cycle, because I understood how vital it was to have SOME estrogen in the body when running a cycle. Many thing estro is the devil, but the truth is you do need to have some for your body to run properly. SOOOO....that is why a suicide AI was not used. I was taking 3g of vitamin C ED which also acted like a natural AI. When PCT came, I switched AIs and used aromasin.

So when week 6 was done, it was time to drop the NPP, drol, deca, dbol, and test prop. I did forget to mention that I would take 100mg of TNE about 2hrs. before my workouts (raising my total test dose). The TNE gave me more energy and helped me put more plates on the bar, giving me a better overall workout. So when I dropped those compounds, I switched over to tren ace and anavar. Mind you...I was still using proviron and I was also using GH and slin. I was pinning ED and found no need to use tren enan....besides, I think that shit is the devil. I know fools who took too much and had to suck it up and just live with the sides until they slowly faded away. They were living in complete hell. And since I was pinning ED like I said, there was no reason to take tren enan.

So that's basically how I ran most of my last cycles. This method proved to give me the best results. And by best I mean I kept most of my gains, I was ROCK hard (not in a sexual sense), and I would continue to grow with the help of my GH and slin. I also recovered VERY easy. PCT was a breeze only having to use aromasin and clomid. NOTHING else. Sure, I was taking milk thistle and Liv52....but that's a given. Not sure what more I can say. That's the way I bounced the ball. My goals were achieved, I got the body I always wanted, I was healthy, and before I was married....I was getting more tail than I knew what to do with. I just recently got divorced so I'm going to have to get back into that game again. But that's another story. If I missed anything, ask away."




/V

 

[DaBeast25]

Thanks Victor,
I did see that post of yours... it's actually what got me thinking about throwing in tren at the tail end of this cycle(although just for 3-4weeks). Right now, I guess I'll just planning to just continue this run as I originally planned, but assuming I do run another cycle...I'll be looking to follow a very similar protocol as you laid out. Makes a lot of sense!

 

[VictorZ06]

Smart move....




/V

 

[Stickmancqb]

Vic amazes me yet again! I'm running out of memory on my phone from all the screen shots I take of your comments.

When this man speaks, I listen!