did you quit school?(dropout)

[Doublebase]

yes you must believe in god to be rich!

I mis read that.

 

[boilermaker]

Everyone here is talking about careers with fixed salaries. A lot of people make very good money and have much more flexible lives if they sell something (no, not crack). Your income is never capped and is ususually determined by how hard you work and how well you can read people and communicate to their personalities. Of course, if you suck, you will starve.

 

[Arnold]

You had better explain this comment. You have quite a few female mods on staff. You are clearly saying, its not a joke.

Is this your opinion of women, Rob?

absolutely not, it was a joke, forgive me.

 

[Arnold]

Whatever you decide, make sure it is what you like to do and want to do. IMO, choosing to get into a certain career based on how much money you will make is the wrong reason for anyone to make such a choice.

I agree.

 

[Arnold]

I found numbers indicating starting salaries for grads of top institutions were exceeding 70 grand.

that is believable.

 

[Arnold]

oh, btw Trouble, if I thought negatively of females do you think I would have several females on the mod staff?

 

[I Are Baboon]

You had better explain this comment. You have quite a few female mods on staff. You are clearly saying, its not a joke.

Is this your opinion of women, Rob?

KICK HIS ASS!

 

[Doublebase]

Everyone here is talking about careers with fixed salaries. A lot of people make very good money and have much more flexible lives if they sell something (no, not crack). Your income is never capped and is ususually determined by how hard you work and how well you can read people and communicate to their personalities. Of course, if you suck, you will starve.

I keep hearing that. People in the industry say to me "put down your soldering iron and get into sales". That is where the big money is. I don't think I would like to be a saleman though. I enjoy fixing, building things and using them in their applications.

 

[boilermaker]

I don't think I would like to be a saleman though. I enjoy fixing, building things and using them in their applications.

It depends on what you sell. I sell engineered applications for the food, dairy and beverage industries. I spend most of my time designing solutions to their production problems or needs. I spend about half my time in their plants and half the time at my home office. When they buy a project, I purchase the equipment needed for it and resell it to them. I also manage the installation and startup.

 

[DaMayor]

KICK HIS ASS!

I got $twenty on Trouble.

 

[largepkg]

Without a doubt sales is where the big money is at. Insurance for example. My top Life producer makes $150K annually and only works 30 hours per week. On top of that he makes his own schedule. I tease him all the time about stealing his job. Truth is he makes me a nice amount of income and he's better at it then I am so I won't shit where I eat.

Of course there's many more sales positions out there that potentially produce more income. Although, you have to be good and you have to know how to close. Of course liking people is a plus too.

 

[GFR]

oh, btw Trouble, if I thought negatively of females do you think I would have several females on the mod staff?

Yes

 

[tucker01]

Without a doubt sales is where the big money is at. Insurance for example. My top Life producer makes $150K annually and only works 30 hours per week. On top of that he makes his own schedule. I tease him all the time about stealing his job. Truth is he makes me a nice amount of income and he's better at it then I am so I won't shit where I eat.

Of course there's many more sales positions out there that potentially produce more income. Although, you have to be good and you have to know how to close. Of course liking people is a plus too.

I don't like people

 

[largepkg]

I don't like people

Ditto!

 

[KEFE]

You are lucky.I coudnt quit if I wanted to.

 

[Trouble]

It depends on what you sell. I sell engineered applications for the food, dairy and beverage industries. I spend most of my time designing solutions to their production problems or needs. I spend about half my time in their plants and half the time at my home office. When they buy a project, I purchase the equipment needed for it and resell it to them. I also manage the installation and startup.

Well, you're working as a technical contractor/consultant. Not exactly a standard sales job (much better, IMHO).

You need to have a certain personality type to do well in a high pressure sales career. Sometimes you can find a technical sales job that will allow the introvert to do well - if they learn how to package and sell themselves (services) or product.

 

[DaMayor]

- if they learn how to package and sell themselves

Exactly what are you suggesting?

 

[DaMayor]

I don't like people

"Its not that I don't like people, its just that I seem to feel better when they're not around." -Mickey Rourke, Barfly

 

[boilermaker]

Well, you're working as a technical contractor/consultant. Not exactly a standard sales job (much better, IMHO).

You need to have a certain personality type to do well in a high pressure sales career. Sometimes you can find a technical sales job that will allow the introvert to do well - if they learn how to package and sell themselves (services) or product.

True, my job is very unique, and I love it. However, there are plenty of route sales jobs that are flat out easy if you have some personality and the aptitude to learn your product line. There are also manufacturer's rep jobs which allow you to sell a product line through a group of dealers. That can be very fun and lucrative if you like to travel. Though, it has it's own built in set of obstacles as well. In the end, sales of anything long term is about having something quality to bring to market and being able to build relationships. People still buy from people they like.

 

[shiznit2169]

Good stuff, keep up the good grades. How are you at public speaking? That is one thing you will need to take with you in the future. You want to be able to speak loudly, clearly and with intelligence. If you want to really make good money. 150K +++ then look into opening up your own business. You will not get rich working for somebody else. It is very hard and risky but also very rewarding.

On a scale of 1-10, i am about a 6-7 in public speaking. I took a class called "Effective Communications" last winter quarter and did a lot of class presentations as well as learning the ins and outs of good job interviewing skills. The reason why i'm only about a 6-7 is because i still get the jitters/nervousness before speaking in front of a big crowd. It usually goes away if i start off with a bang on the right track.

If you enjoy accounting go for it! if you dont stay the fuck away! once you are an accountant your stuck doing it because no one else wants to. If you like numbers over people, I suggest finance. If business was a game, the finance and marketers would be the players and the accountants are the score keepers. you wanna play or take score?

If you want to be a big dog, you will need most prabably need an MBA, it will qualify you over someone who doesnt have one. but you have to figure out whether you will want to complete it right away after your undergrad or get a job and do it while working full time. I decided to do it full time right away because a) I had to because I went to a US school and it was required as I was a canadian citizen. b) I would hate to work full time and then spend all of my free time doing school work. c) in an MBA program you get out what you put in. it is easy to do half ass work and squeeze by and buy your degree. It is a whole different program if you find out what are the best and most challenging courses and go for the A. thats what I did and it was a challenge. I ended up with a 3.8 GPA with a major in Finance and was honored with a member ship to the Beta gamma sigma society www.betagammasigma.org , my finance professor was Dr Sudip Datta, he is in the top 5 finance teachers in the US. lastly, make sure that your school is accredited by AACSB International. http://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/

On the other hand, an MBA will hinder your chances at landing certain jr level jobs. any middle manager with half a brain will figure out that if he hires some smart kid who is more educated then him, the kid may end up being his boss in a few years and decrease his chances at moving up the ladder. he will choose anouther less qualified candidate over you who he can dominate.

As for work experience, once you figure out what field you will be in get as much as you can and bounce around, you have three summers to intern take advantage of it and try to land a part time job there for the rest of the school year. as for clubs use them for networking and meeting chicks, thats it, dont waste your time with them! IMO!

Could you explain the difference between finance and accounting? What is the kind of work each one does and what are the pros/cons of each? Also, could you clarify the "players" and the "score keepers" that you mentioned? I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.

Is getting a CPA a big jump over getting an MBA? I know it's extremely difficult to pass the CPA test and you have to be very knowledgable/experienced in this area but if i do pass it, does it make much of a difference in terms of job careers and salaries?

At my school, the business program requires all students to complete two years of co-op which is the same as internship during our junior and senior years. After i graduate with a Bachelor's Degree, should i .. a) Go to grad school full time and earn my MBA with a part-time job, b) Work full-time while being in school part-time or c) Do both full time if i can handle it ... unless there are other options?

I'm just curious, why does my school need to be accredited by AACSB International? Are you talking about grad school right?

I think that's all the questions i have for now, i may ask some more in the future.

I think he is being serious. Deals are made when people communicate good ideas in a confident and intelligent way. Consumers are gained, profits are made, and companies are built on the backs of people who can communicate ideas and strategies. That doesn't only include spoken communication either. Communication encompasses all forms, such as written, spoken, symbolic, read, and sometimes absorbed.

I have an ass load of work to do on my spoken communication skills, but I have been told be teachers and professors that I am an extremely strong writer. I'm timid, but I think that will go away once I learn to establish confidence.

I agree with you here since im basically in the same boat. I excel in studying and acing tests as well as writing good papers with strong arguments/points with clear communication skills. I just slightly lack that when i am trying to present it orally but i'm still working on it. I just need to step it up a little and be more confident in what i believe and not worry so much about what others will think about my work/ideas.

Whatever you decide, make sure it is what you like to do and want to do. IMO, choosing to get into a certain career based on how much money you will make is the wrong reason for anyone to make such a choice.

So ask yourself what you really want to do and would enjoy doing. And would be willing to put in the extra effort and time with good enthusiasm and not bitch about the job. As easy as that question sounds, it is one of the most difficult for people to answer. Extremly few people know their true calling. Majority of us stumble into a job and muddle our way through life, bitching almost everyday about how they hate their job but they have to do it to pay the rent ....blah blah..

If you truly enjoy your job you will be a sucessfull person. But if you dont, you will be miserable no matter how much it pays and very likely say that 'this job is so not worth the money...' as it wont offer you any satisfaction and happiness. In surveys results on job satisfaction that i have seen, salary is never at the top on the list of what makes a person happy about their job. It might be very important if you are in a min wage job. But otherwise it is not even in the top 3!

I totally agree with you there. I am not looking for the best career path just so i can make a lot of dough. I'm an extremely motivated, dedicated person and i always strive to be the best i can be. I love challenges and it's very rewarding completing those difficult tasks and the rewards/benefits are huge. It's just like weightlifting. We all work hard to wake up every morning, eat 6 meals a day, go to the gym and give it 100% and so forth. Weightlifting actually helps me in other aspects of life and gets me going. I'm still young and i'm not entirely sure what i want to do yet so i'm still exploring. Only time will tell.

 

[shiznit2169]

bump

 

[min0 lee]

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