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Nate K

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Wake up- 9:20
Glutamine

Breakfast-9:30
1\2 cup of oats
4-5 egg whites
1 Banana or apple
4 fish oil caps

Pre-Workout-10:00
Creatine(Currently using V12 Turbo), Glutamine, BCAA's

Post Workout- Around 11:30
3 scoops of HDT Pro blend solid gains, or N-Large 2 with water
Sometimes a Cliff Bar(good or bad?)
Glutamine, BCAA's

Lunch-Around 12:20
Chicken breast or Tuna-Around-around 30g of Protein
Rice or pasta
4 Fish Caps

Snack- 2:00
Tuna or Natural PB Sandwich

Take creatine sometime in here

Snack- 4:30
About 4-5 slices of turkey on a slice of bread
About 20 almonds

Dinner- 7:00-7:30
Always different. Try and have lean meat, veggies and a good carb source like pasta or potatoes.
4 fish oil caps

Before bed- around 11:00
3 scoops of same as post workout w/1% milk instead of water
Right before sleep- Glutamine and currently finishing some ZMA.

I think thats it. I don't eat the same thing every day but this is a close outline. I'd appreciate any helpful replies.
 
What are your goals? If you're bulking, you're eating far too little. If you're cutting, I think there are some foods you need to cut out. PM me or post back here.
 
By the way I'm 18 and weigh about 185, the V12 has me up to 188
 
Hey MP, yeah.. I'm in this wierd mode where I don't want to commit to a bulk or cut, I kind of currently finished a failed cut that didn't get me anywhere. It was my first one by the way. I'm almost scared to eat more because I don't want anymore BF.
 
Any comments on if I'd gain fat on this diet or adjustments to gain mass, no fat.
 
i think u have more then enough Fatty acids.. Try to cut down substantially on the carbs before after 3 pm and the fish oils of course.. A handful of nuts or a piece of salmon is a healthy daily amount of fatty acids. Also, try to stick less to breads and pasta and more to vegetables and oatmeal
 
IMO if your trying to watch the bodyfat, I'd separate the fats from the carbs. Have proteins and fats or protein and carbs, but not both protein, carbs and fats together. Then cut all carbs out after 4-5 pm
I'd also cut out the bread and pasta and replace with oats, brown rice and sweet potatoes

Breakfast-9:30
1\2 cup of oats
4-5 egg whites
1 Banana or apple
4 fish oil caps

Breakfast-9:30
1 cup of oats
12 egg whites
4 oz breast chicken

Ditch all those fish caps early and have them (6) right before bed along with a lean protein source

Beacause of going so many hours without food, I like to load up the first meal.
 
Just b/c you eat more doesn't mean you will get more BF. Just eat clean and healthy fats. Like mucslepump said if you are bulking then you need to eat more. Do you like cottage cheese? That's a very good souce of protein. Good Luck!
 
There is no way I could eat 1 cup of oats, 12 egg whites and 4 oz chicken breast in one sitting.
I wish I liked cottage cheese but it makes want to throw up.
Is cutting carbs after 4-5 p.m. really necessary to keep the body fat not raising any? I really hope this isn't true in most peoples opinion.
Is rice a better souce of carbs then pasta, why?
Sorry for all the questions.
 
Then switch the oats with 7 oz of red potato. Learn to eat at the right times. This is not that much food for your first sitting.

Nate K said:
There is no way I could eat 1 cup of oats, 12 egg whites and 4 oz chicken breast in one sitting.
I wish I liked cottage cheese but it makes want to throw up.
Is cutting carbs after 4-5 p.m. really necessary to keep the body fat not raising any? I really hope this isn't true in most peoples opinion.
Is rice a better souce of carbs then pasta, why?
Sorry for all the questions.
 
Sweet potato is a great source of carb. I have to eat 9 egg whites and two yolks with 1/4 cup of oats. It was hard but I'm use to it now.. I'm 4 1/2 weeks out from my 1st show.. Pasta is def not a good source of carb.
 
Well if you don't want to either bulk or cut cause your scared of gaining anymore fat , then you could always try a body recompostion. If you just got off of a failed cut than more than likely your bodyfat is around mid -teens?? If so this'll make a body recompostion easier , as the leaner you get the harder it becomes. A body recompostion is when you eat around maintenance calories (sometimes a little lower , sometimes a little more) , all clean foods , lift / do cardio properly and hopefully your body will gain LBM (muscle) and lose fat at the same time. This is sometimes impossible for people as theres many factors that play into this , but if your only 18 years old this is very possible for you. Be warned though , this is a very long process .. I'm currently in the middle of one and it's been 2 -3 months so far and I've lost around 2-3 % bodyfat.
You basically need to focus around eating at the proper times / CLEAN organic whole foods and lifting correclty.

So with that said , if your 188 pounds, and assuming say your bodyfat is 15% that gives you -
28.2 lbs of fat mass
159.8lbs of LBM

So in each meal you'll roughly need 30G of protein (as you eat 8 meals a day) and spread throughout the day you'll need roughly 64 - 80 G of fat a day. So if your one that's having alot of trouble eating food then I'd stick to around 64G or less as Fats slow down gastric emptying (keeping you fuller for longer) , also make sure there is as little as possible fat in your PWO and somtimes pre workout (will explain later) shake as like I said Fat slows down gastric emptying. Then adjust your carbs depending your caloric maintenance. (P.S all that eat all your carbs before 3PM or 6PM or whatever 'they' say as it's always changing is a whole bunch of crap. Spread your carbs equally throughout the day , with the exception of sometiems as little as possible right before bed , and witht he exception of eating a majority of your carbs around your workouts , or whenever your espically active as this is when your body needs the energy!)

Nate K said:
Wake up- 9:20
Glutamine
Fine I guess .. honestly I think glutamine is a waste of money :shrug: I was thinking of using it before too , but Emma gave me some facts to consider first , here's what she told me -

Emma-Leigh said:
Waste of time for most people (esp. if healthy and 'bulking'). It is basically useless so I don't recommend it at all (unless you like wasting money).....

See, most of the glutamine you take is taken up in the lining of your intestines (intestinal mucosa) and converted to other things before it even reaches your blood. So in order to get any substantial levels into your body you need to take HUGE doses... This is less so if you specifically take good doses of pure l-glutamine (>10g per serve), but up to 75% can still be removed....

Also - you turn over the glutamine in your blood REALLY rapidly!! Which means if you want those levels in your body for any time then you have to take those doses every few hours!

The only time I suggest people really think about taking it is if they are on an extremely hypocalorific diet and under immense stress in terms of your immunity or training....

But - if you want to take it then I would suggest you take it pre and post-workout, about 5-10g each serve. This will be the most useful times for it.

Nate K said:
Breakfast-9:30
1\2 cup of oats
4-5 egg whites
1 Banana or apple
4 fish oil caps
I'd increase the Egg whites here slightly. Say around 6 - 7
I'd also try and incrase the oats to at least 3/4 a cup , 1/2 a cup of oatmeal is only 35G of carbs! For someone that's 188lbs that's hardly not enough ..
I'd also incrase fats here , say add a little bit of olive oil to cook your eggs in??


Nate K said:
Pre-Workout-10:00
Creatine(Currently using V12 Turbo), Glutamine, BCAA's
Pre workout is probably the most important time to eat food! it's what's gonna be supplying your body with the proper energy to lift hard and heavy, decrease cortisol, keep you anabolic to a certant extent etc..
So a good guideline to go buy is , whole foods is you'll be working out around an hour - an hour a half afterwards. And a shake if you'll be working out around 40 minutes afterwards.

So I'm not sure as you what time you actually workout ..
Breakfast might actaully be your pre workout meal .. tell me what time you actually workout at??



Nate K said:
Post Workout- Around 11:30
3 scoops of HDT Pro blend solid gains, or N-Large 2 with water
Sometimes a Cliff Bar(good or bad?)
Glutamine, BCAA's
Once again this is where you need the majority of you carbs / food and you need it fast! You've just thrown your body into a catabolic state through your workout , depleted muscle glycogen stores etc. So you need to get your body into a recoverying state fast. Best way to do this is through a shake.
So here I'd aim for around 80 - 90G carbs , 30G of protein , as little fat as possible.
As for food choices you could have some dextrose / maltodextrin for a carb choice , even grape juice if you want. People use these to promote a huge insulin response uptaking the carbs and transporting them into your muscle glycogen store / glycogen stores quicker. Other just stick to some water (or skim milk), fruit , whey and some rolled oats.
So whatever your choice. I usually have a shake of fat free or sugar added yogurt (as the bacteria cultures in it help soothe my tummy as I have IBS) oats , whey and welch's grape / strawberry juice.


Nate K said:
Lunch-Around 12:20
Chicken breast or Tuna-Around-around 30g of Protein
Rice or pasta
4 Fish Caps
Ok good this meal is around an hour after your PWO shake , just don't go under 45 minutes ..
here once again is one of the best time to eat lots and plenty of carbs.
I'd eat around 70G of carbs here.
As for your food choices .. hmm they look alright.
Add some veggies here , say make a salad out of your chicken or tuna?
I'd add some more fat here , say olive oil?? use it as a salad topping, mixed with some vinnegar ..
Also if your gonna be eating Rice , make sure it's long grain brown rice or whole wheat pasta. I'd stick to the brown rice over the whole wheat pasta. Whole Wheat pasta isn't an ideal carb choice as it's more processed and lack the necassary fibre / vitamins / minerals that other carb choices hold. Which are very important.
I'd also add some fruit here , if you wish. Maybe an apple , strawberries , blueberries , apple??



Nate K said:
Snack- 2:00
Tuna or Natural PB Sandwich

Take creatine sometime in here
K if your making a PB sandwhich where would your protein be?? and if your making a tuna sandwhich where would your fat be?? :p
Ok honeslty you need to drop the bread. Or if your gonna be using bread try to go for a sprouted type , or rye bread ..
Whole wheat / white bread are so unbelieably processed / lack fibre, vitamins, minereals / bad for fat loss (as being VERY high on the GI index , white bread has the same ranking as refined white sugar does.) it isn't even funny ..
I'd have the tuna here and also the natural peanut butter (Or walnuts , almonds .. walnuts would be best). Try mixing them together?? I love tuna + PB mixed togehter , but I'm weird like that.
And change your carb source to something else ..
Say sweet potato? More oatmeal? Pearled barley? Yams? Brown rice? Scotish / irish oats? Lentils? Legums?Buck wheat? wheat bran? Oat bran? Quiona?n etc..
Also add a serving of veggies here??


Nate K said:
Snack- 4:30
About 4-5 slices of turkey on a slice of bread
About 20 almonds
Okay once again drop bread and replace is with something else , the turkey's fine (as longa sit's around 30G of protein) and so is the almonds.
Also add a serving of dairy in here? Dairy is really really healthy for ya!


Nate K said:
Dinner- 7:00-7:30
Always different. Try and have lean meat, veggies and a good carb source like pasta or potatoes.
4 fish oil caps
K sounds alright. Depending on how lean your meat is , you'll probably want to add some more fats here. Have around 30G of protein. Veggies are great and make sure if your having potatoes is Sweet potatoes , REALLY REALLY better. And like I said before try not to have the pasta but if you do have Whole wheat.



Nate K said:
Before bed- around 11:00
3 scoops of same as post workout w/1% milk instead of water
Right before sleep- Glutamine and currently finishing some ZMA.
K I know you said Cottage cheese make you want to puke , but have you tried different things with it?? I don't like it myself alone , but mixed with things , OMFG soo yummy! one of my favorite things to eat!
Also you have no fats here (aside from the milk and those are all 'bad fats' ..)
So maybe try some Cottage Cheese (skim would be best) mixed in with some Peanut butter and some Sugar free Akins type maple syrup (really good) or you could try eating the cottage cheese with some cinnamon , splenda , and SF maple syrup mixed in it. (really yummy too) and jsut eat the Peanut butter seperate (or almonds , walnuts ..) Or you can mix Cottage cheese , chocolate whey powder and some xanthan gum (just a little!) and it makes a pudding type thing.
If not try and get a casein type powder , or drink some skim milk , or some red meat etc.
Cottage cheese (or the casein powder) though would be by far best ..

Also in all your other previous meals I'd reduce the fish oil caps to 3 , then have 3 in this meal here.

Hope that helped.
 
Wow, I saw that post and thought that was Emma posting. Good work Tom :thumb:.
 
Hey, thanks Tom, I just read the post today.
I work out around 40 minutes after breafast. I will up my egg whites at breakfast, cut the bread with the tuna and turkey and add oats. I'll add skim milk to the 4:30 snack. I would like to eat tuna and Pb but I don't really want to eat the Pb with no bread.
I'm not a picky eater but I cant eat cottage cheese, what do u mix it with?. What do u think about the shake, its got 36g protein, and 60g carb, then id add about 15 ounces of milk.
 
Nate K said:
Hey, thanks Tom, I just read the post today.
lol no problem
Nate K said:
I work out around 40 minutes after breafast. I will up my egg whites at breakfast,
Ok this changes things around a little bit as your not eating 8 meals a day , your only gonna be eating 7. So if you want to you can bump protein at each meal to around 35G.
Ok if your working out 40 minutes after breakfast , then a liquid shake would be your best option here.
Do a shake with some skim milk/ skim milk powder (about 250ml) or some yogurt (fat free , no sugar added stuff) , some rolled oats (LOTS of these, I'd aim for at least3/4 a cup , it's not gonna be filling as there in a shake. also get the stuff called 'quick oats' for Pre / Post workout as they digest quicker. Don't mistake this for 'instant oats' that come pre-packages with added stuff :barf:. Then for other meals throughout the day get the 'rolled oats'), some Whey powder and some type of fruit (banana , strawberries , blueberries , rasberries etc..)
Get rid of the fish oil caps here and move them to your meal before bed (So you'll have 4 at lunch , 4 at dinner and then 4 before bed) , also earlier I said add a little bit of olive oil , but ditch that. You want as little fat in here as possible as your working out 40 minutes later.

Now if you don't want a liquid shake , then you could still eat your egg whites , a fruit and your rolled oats in a meal. Just remember as little fat as possible so cook your egg whites using PAM cooking spray (fat free) .. but this is only if you absoultly insist on not eating a shake .. the meal would be 'alright' , it just may not be digested in time , which would mean your not supply your body with proper energy at the proper time , which could mean your workout could not be up to it's 'potential' of what it could be.

Nate K said:
cut the bread with the tuna and turkey and add oats. I would like to eat tuna and Pb but I don't really want to eat the Pb with no bread.
Great choice about cutting the bread out and adding some rolled oats :thumb:
You mean you would want to eat Peanut butter straight for your TBSP measurer??!! Your crazy! :p I love doing that :nanner:
LOL ok , if you don't want to eat Peanut butter just replace with another fat source. I'd go with something higher in mono-unsaturated fats as there's not that many sources in your diet (espically since your taking out the olive oil for breakfast).
So hmm try adding some olive oil here I suppos. Maybe instead of tuna have some chicken and cook the chicken in the olive oil? Maybe have a salad with either your tuna / meat and make a salad dressing out of the olive oil? Maybe instead of having rolled oats use Sweet Potatoes , cut the sweet potato into wedges baste them with some olive oil (with some cayenne pepper , garlic powder , cinnamon mixed with it) , cooke them in the oven and then top them with some + / - salt , pepper , Sugar free Atkins Ketchup and VOILA you have sweet potato french fries!



Nate K said:
I'll add skim milk to the 4:30 snack.
EXCELLENT! fat free dairy is really good for ya so if you want add some more in some other meals as well ;) , it's been linked to promoting the growth of LBM while decreasing fat mass! I currently eat 3 and 3/4 a cup of yogurt and 1 cup of Cottage cheese a day , I love my dairy.

Nate K said:
I'm not a picky eater but I cant eat cottage cheese, what do u mix it with?.
Same goes for me , can't stand Cottage cheese alone (well if I had to .. I would but ugh :barf:). So What I do is mix it with some Peanut butter and a little bit of Sugar free Maple syrup in a bowl. MM tastes like ice-cream :).
But other options you can do is
- Top it with Almond butter / walnut butter
- Put only SF maple syrup in it
- Put cinnamon in it
- Put Stevia in it (or any other sweetner)
- Do a mixture of the above and add stevia / cinnamon / SF maple syrup in it
- But some fibre 1 in it
- Put some Almond butter over the top and then sprinkle some fiber 1 over it (another of my favorites!)

So just give it a shot using those combinations , and any more you can find. If you don't like it then jsut go and look for a CASEIN type protein powder (as that's why cottage cheese is so good before bed as it contains casein in it which GREATLY slows digestion down making it perfect before bed so it supplys your body with a constant source of protein while you sleep helping you from going catabolic) , but if you can't find that then just have some meat in place of it , say salmon??

Nate K said:
What do u think about the shake, its got 36g protein, and 60g carb, then id add about 15 ounces of milk.
You mean the one your currently using for PWO??
Honestly , I'd ditch that processed crap and just make a home-made shake (with a greater amount of carbs , aim for around 80 - 100G of carbs if not more) like the one I explained earlier with + / - some dextrose / maltodextrin / grape juice.

P.S. forgot to comment before but a cliff bar PWO isn't good , not at all ;)

Aslo Dairy is also great PWO so if you want keep the skim milk , skim milk powder is even better as the water you have to add to it helps dilute it making it faster digested.

Quoted from Emma
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showpost.php?p=753964&postcount=16
 
HotMom23 said:
Sweet potato is a great source of carb. I have to eat 9 egg whites and two yolks with 1/4 cup of oats. It was hard but I'm use to it now.. I'm 4 1/2 weeks out from my 1st show.. Pasta is def not a good source of carb.
Pasta is def not a good source of carb.

Pasta is def not a good source of carb.

Oh really then what is it. It may not be the best thing to have if cutting but it is a great carb source. Carb wise (cup to cup) it matching with any other carbs. It is def a great source for those bulking

Tough
 
thanks again. Im happy with my modified diet now. My post w/o is ok but I was wondering about the shake with skim milk at night before bed (60g carb, 36 protien not including milk). I know you will reccomend real food but pretend the shake is a must.
By the way im going to try some cottage cheese with PB soon.
 
Nate K said:
thanks again. Im happy with my modified diet now. My post w/o is ok but I was wondering about the shake with skim milk at night before bed (60g carb, 36 protien not including milk). I know you will reccomend real food but pretend the shake is a must.
O .. that shake. Hmm .. it's really not necassary. 60G of carbs IMO is way to much before bed (theres no point to it as your simply going to bed , your body doesn't need the energy, it's better to put those carbs somewhere where you DO need the energy , Eg. Pre / post workout , post workout meal etc. :p) , not to mention there completely processed simple carbs :eek:. If your gonna make a shake before bed try some Casien protein powder with the skim milk and some type of nut / nut butter and your fishies.

Nate K said:
By the way im going to try some cottage cheese with PB soon.
Hope ya like it!
Also forgot another really good combo (my favorite actually ... jsut don't get a chance to it it often) is some Cottage cheese , PB , SF maple syrup with some banana , it's heaven.
Anyways hope ya like it , Cottage cheese is an excellent source of complete protein.

I'll be away for like 3 weeks , so if you have any questions hopefully someone else could chime in and help ya out.

Anyways good luck with your modified diet!
 
Tough Old Man said:
Pasta is def not a good source of carb.

Pasta is def not a good source of carb.

Oh really then what is it. It may not be the best thing to have if cutting but it is a great carb source. Carb wise (cup to cup) it matching with any other carbs. It is def a great source for those bulking

Tough
I agree .. to a certain extent. Whole Wheat pasta is fine in certain situations. Like for example if someone is a hard gainer and has trouble eating lots , Pasta can defintly come in handy with it being so carb dense. And it's GI I believe is something around 36 if my memories right ..
But if you can eat some rolled oats / brown rice / sweet potatoes/ pearled barley etc. instead - defintly choose those. Pasta is much more processed and void in alot of necassary vitamins / minerals , which your other carb choices hold.
 
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