Dnp

[D-Lats]

I coul read xyz and hypo posts all day we are lucky to have guys like this helping us out. No bullshit real world experience helps all of us

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I didn't realize how ignorant and uninformed we were her at IM. Glad we got this out on the table so you could enlighten us.

 

[Wrekem]

id say bottom line, for someone who uses AAS of any sort. clen, injections, orals, or someone who uses peptides, t3, whatever, it is all a shortcut. why is dnp for lazy people and held at a different standard than any other shortcut for a goal? its just being hypocritical. its a poison, sure. which will deter some people from using it. for those who choose to try it, so be it. but for those who wont use it, tend to come off the EXACT SAME as a natural lifter who dispises AAS use. which i know those guys can relate to, cuz even i hate keeping my mouth shut listening to those do-gooder natural scrawny lifters say steroids make everything so much easier.

but seriously...who is anyone to judge when it comes to THIS FUCKING WEBSITE of all places.

if you cant get big off the steroid doses, DO MORE! after you do that, add HGH and IGF-1. after that, add Humalog and you got the best stack to help become a pro!....but when you cut, dont ever use dnp...that shits dangerous...


gtfo...

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Just to clarify I have only expressed my lack of interest in using it due to my own feelings. I could give two fucks if you all take DNP and if it is the cats meow for you even better! I never said DNP is for lazy people either. I do believe its not required to get shredded and many people prove that to be true. Additionally I do not think DNP is comparable to the use of AAS in terms of getting an advantage. People take AAS to exceed their natural potential. Nobody needs DNP to get leaner than what is possible if they diet down correctly. DNP is a tool but not something to gets you to a point beyond what you can get without it. The growth people get with AAS isn't just about faster, its about being larger than what would otherwise be possible.

 

[XYZ]

It's fine to disagree or agree, you just have to keep the thread clean and not insult people. If not we're going to have to close the thread and start handing out warnings and infractions. Thanks guys.

 

[XYZ]

I couldn't agree more..but I also still view dnp as a poison that I will never put in my body. There are many ways to reach your goals, and in my humble opinion, dnp shouldn't be one of them.

You think tren is any better for you? At least there are studies done with DNP in human use, where are the studies done with tren...........that's right there are none because it's not made for humans.

The average guy can read studies on the effects of DNP and not tren but will shoot tren without having any type os data to back it up? THAT is what is scary and stupid.

Say what you want about DNP, but at least I can go somewhere and find some type of human data on it, can't say the same for tren and how many guys abuse tren?

 

[XYZ]

I respect your take XYZ but I disagree that (not you per say) but most of the people who take it try and cut corners and are predominantly lazy people! If you can't get shredded in 16 weeks without using DNP then your flat out lazy! I've been competing off and on for 25 years and ALL my colleges say to stay the fuck away? But again, different strokes for different folkes! Out of all the DNP logs I've seen on this board, most all tap out after a short time anyway ...

If you know what you're doing, it should take no more than 12 weeks to get peeled, that being said, like all things some guys will cut corners and use drugs as a crutch. Look at how many guys have a crap diet and just add more tren to make up the difference.

Agreed, that almost anyone who starts legit DNP and puts a log down end up jumping ship within a few days and complain about it.

 

[XYZ]

I didn't realize how ignorant and uninformed we were her at IM. Glad we got this out on the table so you could enlighten us.

I don't know what you're trying to get at here but I'm just providing information on first hand use so others can make their own decision. I don't think I (or anyone else for that matter) called you ignorant or uninformed, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[XYZ]

Just to clarify I have only expressed my lack of interest in using it due to my own feelings. I could give two fucks if you all take DNP and if it is the cats meow for you even better! I never said DNP is for lazy people either. I do believe its not required to get shredded and many people prove that to be true. Additionally I do not think DNP is comparable to the use of AAS in terms of getting an advantage. People take AAS to exceed their natural potential. Nobody needs DNP to get leaner than what is possible if they diet down correctly. DNP is a tool but not something to gets you to a point beyond what you can get without it. The growth people get with AAS isn't just about faster, its about being larger than what would otherwise be possible.

No it's not but then how is it different from T3, clen, OTC fat burners and ECA? Bottom line? ALL of them help with the process, but without the correct diet, cardio and AAS they are all useless.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I don't know what you're trying to get at here but I'm just providing information on first hand use so others can make their own decision. I don't think I (or anyone else for that matter) called you ignorant or uninformed, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wasn't you..somebody else...we're good brother...I've always appreciated and respect you opinions and info.

 

[HFO3]

live the let go life brothers

 

[XYZ]

^^It's a discussion, not a battle.

If anyone learns anything from this thread it's a good thing. We are just bringing up different aspects of things, it's not the same thing being stated over and over again.

 

[HFO3]

mucho respeto senor

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[TrojanMan60563]

No it's not but then how is it different from T3, clen, OTC fat burners and ECA? Bottom line? ALL of them help with the process, but without the correct diet, cardio and AAS they are all useless.

Its different because T3, clen, and OTC fat burners are less likely to cause you to drop dead. Training on AAS does give a huge edge in fat loss compared to natural. Its not unheard of to put on muscle with AAS while at a calorie deficit. That is how people get lean and larger and people call them out on using AAS. Granted this is typical in users that are not at their natural potential and taking AAS. Obviously diet is the ticket. People take all the clen, T3, and OTC stuff and abuse the hell out of it to drop weight because they can't diet. DNP is a dangerous shortcut for MOST people because they are not informed, and DNP is a very dangerous chemical. If it wasn't seriously dangerous you'd be finding clinics that put patients on it for extreme fat loss and charge an arm and a leg for it. Clinics will give you test, deca, t3, GH, HCG...the list goes on. But nobody is touching DNP with a ten foot pole. The way I see it if it reasonably safe and being as effective as it is some place would be cashing in on this crap. I don't doubt its anything short of amazing when used correctly but I can't just pretend the risks are not as extreme as the results.

 

[XYZ]

Its different because T3, clen, and OTC fat burners are less likely to cause you to drop dead. Training on AAS does give a huge edge in fat loss compared to natural. Its not unheard of to put on muscle with AAS while at a calorie deficit. That is how people get lean and larger and people call them out on using AAS. Granted this is typical in users that are not at their natural potential and taking AAS. Obviously diet is the ticket. People take all the clen, T3, and OTC stuff and abuse the hell out of it to drop weight because they can't diet. DNP is a dangerous shortcut for MOST people because they are not informed, and DNP is a very dangerous chemical. If it wasn't seriously dangerous you'd be finding clinics that put patients on it for extreme fat loss and charge an arm and a leg for it. Clinics will give you test, deca, t3, GH, HCG...the list goes on. But nobody is touching DNP with a ten foot pole. The way I see it if it reasonably safe and being as effective as it is some place would be cashing in on this crap. I don't doubt its anything short of amazing when used correctly but I can't just pretend the risks are not as extreme as the results.

With all due respect, you are HIGHLY misinformed.

First, DNP was banned by the FDA back in the 1930's so it is and would be totally impossible for anyone to "cash in" on it at all. This makes your total argument null and void.

Clen, in certain doses leads to defective heart valves and a host of other issues, so to state that it is less likely to cause someone to drop dead is a misconception to say the least. Go over to Elite Fitness and read about a guy named 8&20 or Guardian. He dropped dead from using clen. I don't see how a low dose of DNP would have been a worse alternate.

T3 is catabolic at high enough doses so that in itself is enough to use something different.

The bottom line is there is risk in everything you do and use, dosing, timing and length of use play the biggest factors in how the chemical will respond.

You still have yet to post one study on your opinion, and judging by your response here it might be a really good idea to read up on DNP seeing that you have absolutely no idea about it. You're going off of bro-science, not facts. If you knew ANYTHING about DNP you would know it was banned over 80 years ago, a simple google search would give you that information.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

With all due respect, you are HIGHLY misinformed.

First, DNP was banned by the FDA back in the 1930's so it is and would be totally impossible for anyone to "cash in" on it at all. This makes your total argument null and void.

Clen, in certain doses leads to defective heart valves and a host of other issues, so to state that it is less likely to cause someone to drop dead is a misconception to say the least. Go over to Elite Fitness and read about a guy named 8&20 or Guardian. He dropped dead from using clen. I don't see how a low dose of DNP would have been a worse alternate.

T3 is catabolic at high enough doses so that in itself is enough to use something different.

The bottom line is there is risk in everything you do and use, dosing, timing and length of use play the biggest factors in how the chemical will respond.

You still have yet to post one study on your opinion, and judging by your response here it might be a really good idea to read up on DNP seeing that you have absolutely no idea about it. You're going off of bro-science, not facts. If you knew ANYTHING about DNP you would know it was banned over 80 years ago, a simple google search would give you that information.

I am well aware that it has been banned. It wasn't on the market long and probably for good reason. Sure clen can kill you and cause all kinds of heart problems. I don't think clen is a great drug either, however it is a drug not a chemical used to paint yellow lines on roads. If I'm not mistaken most people order their clen from outside of the US because its not sold here due to its long lasting effects and potential for health complications.

 

[twotree]

I am well aware that it has been banned. It wasn't on the market long and probably for good reason. Sure clen can kill you and cause all kinds of heart problems. I don't think clen is a great drug either, however it is a drug not a chemical used to paint yellow lines on roads. If I'm not mistaken most people order their clen from outside of the US because its not sold here due to its long lasting effects and potential for health complications.

The research clen I use for my rats comes from the 50 nifty.

 

[s2h]

I am well aware that it has been banned. It wasn't on the market long and probably for good reason. Sure clen can kill you and cause all kinds of heart problems. I don't think clen is a great drug either, however it is a drug not a chemical used to paint yellow lines on roads. If I'm not mistaken most people order their clen from outside of the US because its not sold here due to its long lasting effects and potential for health complications.

clen is not a FDA approved drug in the US because the FDA has the exact same drug approved in albuterol..only difference is the half life of the two..and that albuterol has been shown in trails to have less effect on the heart then clen when kept within the prescribing guidelines..idk many bb's that stay within FDA approved dosing protocols..so there isnt allot of difference when it is being abused..

the real issue is abuse or uneducated use of anything..too much of anything OTC or script can lead to problems..5 years ago i had to go visit a guy in the emergency room because he was having a heart attack between the morning and night show..he was popping 200-300mcg of clen ed at that point..so anything is bad when abused or used incorrectly..

 

[TrojanMan60563]

clen is not a FDA approved drug in the US because the FDA has the exact same drug approved in albuterol..only difference is the half life of the two..and that albuterol has been shown in trails to have less effect on the heart then clen when kept within the prescribing guidelines..idk many bb's that stay within FDA approved dosing protocols..so there isnt allot of difference when it is being abused..

the real issue is abuse or uneducated use of anything..too much of anything OTC or script can lead to problems..5 years ago i had to go visit a guy in the emergency room because he was having a heart attack between the morning and night show..he was popping 200-300mcg of clen ed at that point..so anything is bad when abused or used incorrectly..

I didn't go into the albuterol thing being the same as clen but shorter acting. I am aware of that as well. I have used albuterol for chest colds when I need to breath better. It does raise my heart rate and I can't imagine taking that for the purpose of losing fat while trying to workout with my heart beating like that. Personally I hate feeling my heart beating I'd rather not even know its happening. Probably something to do with my anxiety issues. With all that can be done while on AAS and a low calorie diet I just cannot justify using any cutting agent like DNP, Clen, or even T3. My thyroid works pretty well and don't want to risk shutting that down. AAS shut my natural test production hardcore so I don't want to risk the same happening to thyroid by abusing meds I don't really need.

I'm all for people taking anything they want. Its their bodies and who am I to say no. I am just voicing my own opinions on this stuff but certainly not passing judgment on anyone. If I felt super confident that I could melt BF off with DNP without the risks I worry about I'd be all over that shit. Its all about your personal level of comfort with anything you decide to put into your body.

 

[Aziz101]

Hello XYZ, I realize this is an older forum post, and just wanted to say you seem very knowledgeable on Dnp and how to run it for optimal results while keeping sides down, I was wondering if you can Pm me as I am looking for someone experienced to show me how to use it to get peeled for a show eating the macros that you stated carbs 55% Pro 45% and trace fats. Also curious to know about COMPLETE SUPPLEMENTATION FOR AN OPTIMAL CYCLE. I dont want to miss out on anything necessary to run with Dnp. Would love it if you can Pm me and we can work something out. Cheers !