do people overrate the basics too much?

[shiznit2169]

Faller .. why don't you head over to the journals section and look at cowpimp's journal. I'll bet money that you wouldn't last and/or put up the numbers he can.

It's so funny how people think that you have to have an amazing physique and look incredibly huge to know how to train properly. Pure ignorance.

 

[Brutus_G]

I've gained 41 pounds on Iron man's program 10%bf. I don't want to get in an argument or anything. I myself disagree with some things on the program(like 2) mainly not dead lifting but i still think it is an excellent program and will give good results if tried anything is worth one try. I also respect Iron man and cow pimp's ideas and ask them questions constantly, their knowledge shows and i try my best to learn from them.

 

[GFR]

I've gained 41 pounds on Iron man's program 10%bf. I don't want to get in an argument or anything. I myself disagree with some things on the program(like 2) mainly not dead lifting but i still think it is an excellent program and will give good results if tried anything is worth one try. I also respect Iron man and cow pimp's ideas and ask them questions constantly, their knowledge shows and i try my best to learn from them.

My current stats are
Weight 136

So you were 95lbs when you started his program?

 

[largepkg]

My current stats are
Weight 136

So you were 95lbs when you started his program?

You are the greatest. You have way to much time on your hands but you're still great!

 

[Brutus_G]

Lol no i wasn't 95 pounds man that's skinny. I was 122.2 pounds 4-5% bf check my journal for pics 5 foot 9.5. the pics on page 5 and page 1 has me at 122.2

 

[faller]

It's so funny how people think that you have to have an amazing physique and look incredibly huge to know how to train properly. Pure ignorance.

-You wouldn't take you car to a mechanic that doesn't run a well maintained car himself..

-You wouldn't get a roofer that lives in a house with a leaky roof..

-You wouldn't have a landscaper do your yard, that lives in a home with a yard that looks like a garbage dump..

If non of these trades practice what they preach, how do you know they can perform? How do you know for sure that when you take all the fancy lingo and terminology into pratice you aren't going to hurt yourself?

Pure ignorance? Maybe, but for me, life is, live by example...not,,, do as i say, not as i do.

 

[GFR]

Lol no i wasn't 95 pounds man that's skinny. I was 122.2 pounds 4-5% bf check my journal for pics 5 foot 9.5. the pics on page 5 and page 1 has me at 122.2

Well you dont look much differant to me in the 122 or 159 pics....looks like 1/2 body fat and 1/2 muscle gain....but you were comming off an eating disorder so you do look better. To say his program made you gain 40+ lbs is not really true, you would have gained 20+ just from eating right and not lifting. Still I do think his program is ok to a point.

 

[Brutus_G]

Well you dont look much differant to me in the 122 or 159 pics....looks like 1/2 body fat and 1/2 muscle gain....but you were comming off an eating disorder so you do look better. To say his program made you gain 40+ lbs is not really true, you would have gained 20+ just from eating right and not lifting. Still I do think his program is ok to a point.

This is true but i do feel his program works well and i have done several diffrent things and the results weren't as amazing. Well if i was at 122.2 with 4%=5pounds fat now 10% at 163.5=16.35 so gained 11.35 pounds bf i gained 41 pounds so 70-72% was muscle. Well i'm cutting finally and will get to 6%.

 

[P-funk]

I fucking hate the argument "he looks like this so he is smarter.."

...I'll give it to you one time so listen up....

Why the fuck would any Pro Bodybuilder listen to Chad Nichols? the guy is just a plain fat fuck.....Why? because he is smart, knowledageble and well read on the subject and can get his clients what they want.


Why the fuck would anyone listen to Bill Parcells, Bill Belicheck or Charlie Weiss? None of them played football. None of them appear to be athletic at all. But, they are smart, well read on their subject and they get their players what they want.

There are to many variables when comparing people...genetics, drugs, goals, body types, etc......

Walk into any gym in america and chances are the biggest guy in the place knows the least about what he is doing.

Faller, have you ever seen a picture of Ironman? Neither have I....so who the fuck cares?

 

[GFR]

I fucking hate the argument "he looks like this so he is smarter.."

...I'll give it to you one time so listen up....

Why the fuck would any Pro Bodybuilder listen to Chad Nichols? the guy is just a plain fat fuck.....Why? because he is smart, knowledageble and well read on the subject and can get his clients what they want.


Why the fuck would anyone listen to Bill Parcells, Bill Belicheck or Charlie Weiss? None of them played football. None of them appear to be athletic at all. But, they are smart, well read on their subject and they get their players what they want.

There are to many variables when comparing people...genetics, drugs, goals, body types, etc......

Walk into any gym in america and chances are the biggest guy in the place knows the least about what he is doing.

Faller, have you ever seen a picture of Ironman? Neither have I....so who the fuck cares?

Yes, I saved his pic...here it is

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I would not take my truck to a mechanic that runs a broken down beater. Nor would i take someones training principles that look like they have never lifted a weight in their life, no matter how sound the philosophy.

Don't get me wrong, it seems to me that cow pimp has the respect of a lot of ppl on this board, he has obviosly earned it. It's not the first time he has run down IRON's training principles though. I use it, works great. I'm 47, and he has managed to put on a nice solid 13lb. on my frame. Getting up to a solid 235 at my age is no small feat, and its all due to IRON's training principles.

Mexican currency is on the rise.

Steroids are amazing aren't they? By the way where's your pictures douchebag.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I fucking hate the argument "he looks like this so he is smarter.."

...I'll give it to you one time so listen up....

Why the fuck would any Pro Bodybuilder listen to Chad Nichols? the guy is just a plain fat fuck.....Why? because he is smart, knowledageble and well read on the subject and can get his clients what they want.


Why the fuck would anyone listen to Bill Parcells, Bill Belicheck or Charlie Weiss? None of them played football. None of them appear to be athletic at all. But, they are smart, well read on their subject and they get their players what they want.

There are to many variables when comparing people...genetics, drugs, goals, body types, etc......

Walk into any gym in america and chances are the biggest guy in the place knows the least about what he is doing.

Sho nuff.

 

[faller]

Steroids are amazing aren't they? By the way where's your pictures douchebag.

Go to post number 70, thats me on the right

 

[faller]

I fucking hate the argument "he looks like this so he is smarter.."

...I'll give it to you one time so listen up....

Why the fuck would any Pro Bodybuilder listen to Chad Nichols? the guy is just a plain fat fuck.....Why? because he is smart, knowledageble and well read on the subject and can get his clients what they want.


Why the fuck would anyone listen to Bill Parcells, Bill Belicheck or Charlie Weiss? None of them played football. None of them appear to be athletic at all. But, they are smart, well read on their subject and they get their players what they want.

I agree with you on this point. But non of these guys are 21 with 30 years of knowledge.

Anywho, nuff said.. I just got banned of another board for getting into an argument over IRONMAN"S hit training, and there is just way too much knowledge on this board to take that chance, so i'm agonna shutup..

 

[P-funk]

I agree with you on this point. But non of these guys are 21 with 30 years of knowledge.

Anywho, nuff said.. I just got banned of another board for getting into an argument over IRONMAN"S hit training, and there is just way too much knowledge on this board to take that chance, so i'm agonna shutup..

No one is going to ban you for arguing your point.


Age matters not when we are talking about intelligence. There are tons of smart people that are young.

Again, it all comes down to being well read on your subject matter. Look at Theo Epstein. How old was he when he took over as the Red Sox GM? I can't remeber,......I believe he was 20 something. There are 100s of guys with more experience and age then him that could have taken that job......Guess what though? He is the one that put together the championship team. Age means nothing.

Mike Boyle once said, if you do 1hr of reading each day in your field of practice, at the end of a year you will be one of the top 10 smartest people on the subject.....that is regardless of age.

 

[shiznit2169]

Age matters not when we are talking about intelligence. There are tons of smart people that are young.

I am not going to name any names, but there are several members over the age of 30 on this board who criticize the younger kids when they offer advice to beginners or try to argue their point. I agree most kids are idiots but there are a few who know their shit.

 

[GFR]

I am not going to name any names, but there are several members over the age of 30 on this board who criticize the younger kids when they offer advice to beginners or try to argue their point. I agree most kids are idiots but there are a few who know their shit.

Bahhh what do you know

 

[CowPimp]

Yes, I've heard it all before. I'm not big, so what can I know? Well, besides the fact that I don't train for size, I haven't been lifting consistently that long. A little under 3 years. I think decreasing my body fat percentage and adding 35 pounds to my frame in that time without hypertrophy being my goal is pretty good.

Beyond that, a year or more of that time I have been intentionally maintaining my weight, such as I am right now. I have a very fast metabolism because I exercise almost daily and have a physically active life and job. I'm throwing down around 4K a day just to maintain my weight while trying to goto school, work, and help support my family because we have had some seriously fucked up occurences lately financially. If I had more disposable income I would be bigger than I am now. Nonetheless, I don't plan on getting all that much bigger because I have NO desire to have 21 inch arms. That doesn't even look appealing to me. I would rather have 16 inch arms, deadlift triple my bodyweight, and be able to outrun 99% of the population in a 40 yard dash.

So does all of this mean I don't know how to do it? No, it doesn't. I just means that one, I'm not a bodybuilder, and two, even if I were it is not feasible at this time.

Furthermore, I have no problem with Ironman's program. I never said it wasn't effective; I've never really commented on it at all. I never said isolation work on your arms is worthless; I have said quite the opposite. I've said it isn't needed, and I've said that people generally do too much, but I have also said that intelligently implemented arm work is a great asset to a bodybuilder's program.

All I said was that it's bullshit that his arms shrunk an inch in 6 months because he stopped doing isolation work on them, and I still think that's the case. Straight horseshit in my opinion. If you choose to believe that drivel, then continue sucking Ironman's dick all you want. I don't care.

 

[faller]

, then continue sucking Ironman's dick all you want. I don't care.

What you had going here was a well thought out and articulate response. But you had to add that last sentence...............

 

[CowPimp]

What you had going here was a well thought out and articulate response. But you had to add that last sentence...............

Yeah, I did. Deal with it.

 

[Tough Old Man]

.Mike Boyle once said, if you do 1hr of reading each day in your field of practice, at the end of a year you will be one of the top 10 smartest people on the subject.....that is regardless of age.

Well this sucks. I have spent the last year reading on the subject probably putting in 2-3 hrs a day and still asked you a question the other night on training. So where does this leave me in regards to the top 10 and where does this put you.

 

[AKIRA]

-You wouldn't take you car to a mechanic that doesn't run a well maintained car himself..

-You wouldn't get a roofer that lives in a house with a leaky roof..

-You wouldn't have a landscaper do your yard, that lives in a home with a yard that looks like a garbage dump..

If non of these trades practice what they preach, how do you know they can perform? How do you know for sure that when you take all the fancy lingo and terminology into pratice you aren't going to hurt yourself?

Pure ignorance? Maybe, but for me, life is, live by example...not,,, do as i say, not as i do.

I see the point in the comparisons and in this case, had I not read anything cowpimp has put up on here and JUST saw him working out in the gym, then Id say hsi advice is worth shit.
HOWEVER.
Thats judging a book by its cover. And after I have spent countless hours studying and asking questions on here (some blunt, other complex) I see cowpimp answering questions correctly. Case in point, some questions that were asked when I was halfway through the NASM book, I couldnt answer. He did, then later on I read a chapter that was discussed on here, and whatdoyaknow, cowpimp was right. I am a pessimistic jerk, but I have to give credit where its due. Regardless on looks.

Speaking of looks, wasnt cowpimp a lardass at one point? Losing all that weight and getting lean is a physical performance accomplishment is it not?

 

[P-funk]

Well this sucks. I have spent the last year reading on the subject probably putting in 2-3 hrs a day and still asked you a question the other night on training. So where does this leave me in regards to the top 10 and where does this put you.

maybe you were reading the wrong books.

me...I am a genius ofcourse.

 

[Tough Old Man]

maybe you were reading the wrong books.

me...I am a genius ofcourse.

LOL...Well you could be if you would separate the word "ofcourse" to of coarse...

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

Yes, I've heard it all before. I'm not big, so what can I know? Well, besides the fact that I don't train for size, I haven't been lifting consistently that long. A little under 3 years. I think decreasing my body fat percentage and adding 35 pounds to my frame in that time without hypertrophy being my goal is pretty good.

Beyond that, a year or more of that time I have been intentionally maintaining my weight, such as I am right now. I have a very fast metabolism because I exercise almost daily and have a physically active life and job. I'm throwing down around 4K a day just to maintain my weight while trying to goto school, work, and help support my family because we have had some seriously fucked up occurences lately financially. If I had more disposable income I would be bigger than I am now. Nonetheless, I don't plan on getting all that much bigger because I have NO desire to have 21 inch arms. That doesn't even look appealing to me. I would rather have 16 inch arms, deadlift triple my bodyweight, and be able to outrun 99% of the population in a 40 yard dash.

So does all of this mean I don't know how to do it? No, it doesn't. I just means that one, I'm not a bodybuilder, and two, even if I were it is not feasible at this time.

Furthermore, I have no problem with Ironman's program. I never said it wasn't effective; I've never really commented on it at all. I never said isolation work on your arms is worthless; I have said quite the opposite. I've said it isn't needed, and I've said that people generally do too much, but I have also said that intelligently implemented arm work is a great asset to a bodybuilder's program.

All I said was that it's bullshit that his arms shrunk an inch in 6 months because he stopped doing isolation work on them, and I still think that's the case. Straight horseshit in my opinion. If you choose to believe that drivel, then continue sucking Ironman's dick all you want. I don't care.

Great post. Some people will never understand what you are trying to say. Don't waste your time on them cowpimp, most people on this board know that you know what your doing. Keep up the good work.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

LOL...Well you could be if you would separate the word "ofcourse" to of coarse...

Coarse= Golf Coarse
Course=proper english