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Do you belive in God?
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IainDaniel said:
I,
The subject is huge and multi-faceted.
You are asking ME to DO work YOU NEED TO DO - YOU NEED to DO your own research - hopefully with no pre-conceived notions, hated, bigotry, etc. BEFORE you embark. You are asking ME to read things FOR you and then tell you WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR YOUR WAY.
Every person MUST DO their OWN questioning and learning. If you really want answers YOU HAVE TO SEEK THEM FOR YOURSELF - hopefuly you will consider ALL aspects of any subject before you make any judgements - and REMEMBER - all through your life you will find new information about old subjects you THOUGHT you knew everything about - with Human Beings it is IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EVERYTHING. Learning is LIFELONG for everyone.
READ AND UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND what Dr. Kinsey has written. Look to what others have said FROM ALL VIEWPOINTS. See ALL the biographies and the research done. See both pro and con. Then make your own decisions about whatever. That is something YOU MUST DO to find the answers YOU are seeking.
John H.
Vieope said:
Yeah devil, know who you are.
Hi "V",
I think some here think both you and I ARE!
Maybe because we both enjoy and understand LIFE as it IS and MEANT TO BE. Some people do get upset when someone else IS ENJOYING THEMSELVES TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY and so they get angry AT THEM - NOT at THEMSELVES which is who they should be upset with or question to find the personal reasons they are so unhappy themselves.
Take Care, John H.
crazy_enough said:
Hi Crazy,
WHY would YOU want ME to DO work YOU NEED TO DO - and MUST - to answer questions YOU HAVE? See what I am saying? If that were the way to approach a subject anyone had questions about no one would DO their own research to find answers THEY ARE SEEKING. They'd DEPEND on someone ELSE to DO the work THEY NEED TO DO.
Consider this quote:
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The condition upon which God has given Liberty to man is eternal vigilence. Which condition, if he break, servitude is the consquence of his crime and the punishment for his guilt." - Speech Upon the Right of Election, John Philpot Curran (1790).
In other words EACH PERSON MUST DO the work THEMSELVES and NEVER allow someone else to do it FOR THEM - because that is how one person gains power over another. This is how each of us LOOSE our individual right - by giving them up - abdicating them - to others. This applies to a person and their thinking and questioning. EACH PERSON MUST DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH TO FIND THE ANSWERS THEY ARE SEEKING - THEMSELVES. I can help give you some resources I have utilized and you can look at THOSE but you ALSO NEED to see ALL OTHERS I may or may not have seen. You MUST CONSIDER EVERYTHING from ALL perspectives before you make any judgements about anything and WITH AN OPEN MIND - NO preconceived notions.
You and I are talking about a very important and huge subject that is multifaceted. You MUST gain an HONEST UNDERSTANDING as to the WHY research would be done in this area BEFOREHAND. Then you can proceed to investigate what it is you are seeking. When you do these things you will begin to understand THE WHOLE of the subject. You can NEVER use tunnel vision if you want TRUTHFUL ACCURATE ANSWERS to anything.
Take Care, John H.
devildog88 said:How could you know who I am? Its a Secret! Shhhhhhhh!
Hi Devil,
You LIKE keeping "secrets" don't you...
Take Care, John H.
Archangel said:Only John H. Can take a thread about GOD, and turn it into a thread about abusing children sexually and "DEFEND" it!!!
Can you say............
And another thing, No-one, and I mean NO-ONE cares about the size of your manhood, please keep that to yourself, especially in a "GOD" thread. Please be respectful to the other people who came here honestly to answer a question. Not to be bombarded by a perverse child abuser defender!!!
Thank you and take care!!!
Hi Archangel,
I never took this thread and turned it into a defense of the abuse of children!!
NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. AND I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WOULD "DEFEND" THE ABUSE OF A CHILD - EVER. You need to carefully re-read what I actually said.
As for my "manhood" read what I said - "BY WAY OF EXPLANATION" - of the subject at hand by a mature adult male and that is how you SHOULD have read my response.
And there are some who wonder why I use capitals and people STILL do NOT get it - BY WAY OF EXPLANATION AND EMPHASIS of a point being made.
Take Care, John H.
I just realized something - this site has "Spelchek". Call me completely blind - I did not see that until now.
If it would have been a snake I would be dead by now.
Take Care, John H.
If it would have been a snake I would be dead by now.
Take Care, John H.
bio-chem said:
Bio,
No not at all - IF you REALLY ARE - which according to how you wirte and what you rite and your closed mind...
Ok, I wrote this on purpose this way to try Spelchek and it does not work right. "wirte" should be "write" and "rite" should be "write" but it did not catch the second "rite" even when I asked it to check again.
Now as for your college education - when you truly get one I will see the evidence of it and so will everyone else. And if you do not they will see that too. It all depends ON YOU. You are either going to be honest about getting and HONEST education or not - and whether it is complete and well-rounded or not as well.
Take less time speaking for others who can speak for themselves and less time finding fault with others when you yourself have faults you need to correct.
And for a Mormon you claim to be too... I thought all you guys were "saints"...
John H.
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John,
I have a few secrets just like anyone in this forum. However I said that you couldn't possibly know who I am because I come from such a romote place. I don't know anyone on this thread and I like it that way. It fosters "open minded" conversation. For example John, If I knew who you were and where you worked out I would hunt you and make you sorry for many of the things you have said. So you see it is better this way. Remember John, I served with my beloved Marine Corps for many years and in compat. We had a little saying in our circle of professionals................................."you can run but you will only die tired"!
Ooooohhhhhhh Rahhhhhhh!
I have a few secrets just like anyone in this forum. However I said that you couldn't possibly know who I am because I come from such a romote place. I don't know anyone on this thread and I like it that way. It fosters "open minded" conversation. For example John, If I knew who you were and where you worked out I would hunt you and make you sorry for many of the things you have said. So you see it is better this way. Remember John, I served with my beloved Marine Corps for many years and in compat. We had a little saying in our circle of professionals................................."you can run but you will only die tired"!
Ooooohhhhhhh Rahhhhhhh!
John you truly are a waste of time. You pose an opinion on something and present no defense to that opinion other than read this website or read this book. We don't give a shit about these websites or these books. We want to know why you have come up with your opinion. What reasoning is there to form these opinions. So unless you got something useful to post please stop with the usless banter.
Enough is Enough already.
Enough is Enough already.
bio-chem said:
Bio,
"sorry to correct john on a point of LDS doctrine, but his mistakes kind of make me mad because they are so blatant." - I have no idea what you are trying to say. I re-read the original post and I do not see what you are saying.
As for LDS doctrine though, while there may be a "doctrine" it does not GUARANTEE the followers will follow what the doctrine is as stated. This happens everywhere. People are people and tend to do as they please. And "doctrines" ARE MAN-MADE.
I said the Mormons DID believe in polygamy and practice it and they did and SOME who call themselves Mormons or "saints" (I can not after two years or more remember exactly) still do. And faction(s) of your church they say. Whether they actually ARE "accepted or not" they still claim that as so. It has been reported on and the Attorney General of Utah has been investigating that and it was also reported that this has been going on for awhile and that the power the LDS Church has in Utah is one of the reasons it has (the lack of true investigating) gone on so long. I did not know about problems that exist in other states which you brought up. But nothing surprises me about anything usually. People are people. The factions that still practice polygamy I was referring to and as reported on the national news were said to be located in a town in Utah and the population of that town if I remember correctly (it was a story I saw a few years ago) was 100,000. The town has its own police force, the town is surrounded by a wall completely around it and no one can leave or enter unless they are approved to do so and there is no television, no telephones, no outside communication allowed. This story on national tv came about because of one of its members who had a 15 year old wife who was also one of his many children if I remember correctly.
You can liken this whole discussion to Homosexuals really. The same happens. There are those that when anyone mentions the word "Homosexual" will apply the worst to ALL of them. Even though there are some good and some bad as with anything else. Including Mormons. Or Saints. Or whoever.
You need to re-read what I actually said without being angry about it while you are reading it - calmly - and see what it IS I AM saying.
John H.
njc said:
Hi njc,
BUT - HOWEVER - what IS VERY IMPORTANT - is that you say "the more I study, the more I believe" - BUT WHAT IS IT you are "studying"? That is VERY IMPORTANT TO ANSWER. IF you ONLY study from one viewpoint and one source than you are not really "studying" broadmindedly and you will not gain a true understanding of the whole subject. You need to consider ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time - OBJECTIVELY. With NO preconceived ideas.
Take Care, John H.
devildog88 said:
Devil,
I TOO have served - HONORABLY - IN WARTIME HAND-TO-HAND and with MEN. The Marine Corps are NOT the ONLY MEN that are fighting - or loving other Men.
I was joking with you about "your" "secrets" because I thought you too were joking. Now that I find you are embittered...
NOT BRAGGING and BY WAY OF EXPLANATION (caps INTENDED by way of explanation) I have had other Men who thought they could beat my ass too - and some have certainly tried honestly and I have never won ALL fights BUT I ALWAYS go into a fight to WIN and DO MY ULTIMATE and anyone that has fought with me KNOWS AND REMEMBERS THEY DID - I conduct myself that way - but I do not broadcast this information - they find it out after - and REMEMBER - because that is what I want them to do - REMEMBER - and never want to revisit that again with ME. I do not play around - it is serious business. And sometimes necessary. I never do anything half-assed. And I am NOT threatening you or anyone else here - just making a statement about myself that is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I only weigh 190 and am 6'2" tall but I do have ALL muscle and no fat and stay that way all the time - I am hard-wired I guess. A 300 pounder probably could beat me but he would have a hell of a time doing that. Trust me. I like to fight when fighting is the only way to go.
I am a very quiet Man and say very little about much of anything. And try to get along with just about anyone. When that is possible. I let my actions and my deeds speak for themselves. People that know me KNOW that.
And I do not need a "call" to express myself. I let me speak for me when the time comes - quietly and effectively.
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John,
You need to take a little of your own advice.........read my post I never said anything about "beating your ass" Simply put, I would find alternative ways, if I needed too. But what I was really implying is that I would torment you and you wouldn't have a clue who was doing it.
You need to take a little of your own advice.........read my post I never said anything about "beating your ass" Simply put, I would find alternative ways, if I needed too. But what I was really implying is that I would torment you and you wouldn't have a clue who was doing it.
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Oh, and john I truley doubt that you know the meaning of serving your country. A male nurse on a ship doesn't count! No wonder you have homosexual tendencies! 
IainDaniel said:
I,
The Man was a scientist and researcher of the first order and worked damn hard at everything he did to BE THE VERY BEST and whatever he did. He never wanted anyone to be able to find error in his work because he wanted he work to be without error so it would be credible and honest and accurate. He was a father and husband and loved his wife and his children. His research was ultimately done because he was asked to conduct a class in Marriage and Family at Indiana University at Bloomington, Indiana, along with two other Professors and he accepted the post. The request came from the students who wanted such a class and he was asked by the Regents if he would be interested in teaching such a class and being a biologist he said he would.
When he began teaching questions arouse he did not know the answers to himself and upon looking for those answers himself found there were no answers because no one had ever done any research to find those answers and publish them. He also found that the reason no research had been done was because of "religions" basically prohibiting ANYONE from questioning anything with regard to Sex and how it IS not how it is "perceived to be" by "religion" which is why he ran into trouble with some people because he HONESTLY AND THOROUGHLY AND COMPLETELY AS POSSIBLE QUESTIONED ALL ASPECTS OF THE SUBJECT and found answers that were credible because to DO ACCURATE research you must have ACCURATE ANSWERS. And some of those answers "disturbed" the "faint at heart" and the "organized planned belief" as to "how it is 'supposed to be'"... His work "rocked the perverbal boat" BIGTIME. He dropped an atom bomb on the "establishment".. His type research had NEVER BEEN DONE and SO THOROUGHLY OR ACCURATELY OR COMPLETELY BEFORE because no one else was "allowed to"...
Do yourself a favor. Before you investigate what he found out, read about him and his life from all aspects to find out the kind of Man he was and why he found this subject so VERY IMPORTANT to HAVE TRUTHFUL ACCURATE HONEST ANSWERS to. Then investigate his methodology and that of his Associates. And remember he is not the only person but that he was the FIRST person to REALLY DO CREDIBLE WORK in this area because of the "created taboos" by "religions" against such research.
Do your research with an open mind completely so. Have no preconceived ideas beforehand.
Also see how very popular and welcoming his work became and the masses that WELCOMED his seminars. They were always VERY WELL RECEIVED and to OVERFLOWING CROWDS because his work spoke for itself honestly.
John H.
devildog88 said:John,
You need to take a little of your own advice.........read my post I never said anything about "beating your ass" Simply put, I would find alternative ways, if I needed too. But what I was really implying is that I would torment you and you wouldn't have a clue who was doing it.
Devil,
You DID say that you would hunt me out, etc. - re-read the post YOU made to me. It was a threat. Anyone that read the same thing would see it so. You method would not always matter. A threat is a threat.
What do you call: "For example, John If I knew who you were and where you worked out I would hunt you and make you sorry for many of the things you have said." And you go on about your combat experience and you being a Marine... You made these statements to me. I take them at face "value".
I think you have personal unresolved issues. And wanting to take them out on "somone".
I have gone around with THE BEST. And some of those MEN are my BEST FRIENDS - now. Because THEY NOW KNOW WHO AND WHAT I REALLY AM - a MAN in the truest sense.
I have had the VERY SAME training as you - I WORKED WITH MARINES MYSELF in training and IN COMBAT. The difference between you and I is that I can get along with just about anyone - ESPECIALLY MARINES. We SEE eye-to-eye about a LOT. And I STILL have them and always will AS TRUE FRIENDS - that I LOVE (no matter how you want to define that - and THEY KNOW THAT and are COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT!! TRUST ME!!) I do not "kiss and tell" - my PRIVATE busines IS. And THEIRS as well. I RESPECT AND HONOR THOSE I LOVE. They KNOW THAT>
John H.
My intensions on this Board are to have DISCUSSIONS with other Mature Adults who can discuss anything AS A MATURE ADULT. For the BETTERMENT AND UNDERSTANDING AND HELP of ALL.
Nothing more.
Take Care, John H.
Nothing more.
Take Care, John H.
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You see John,
This is why people don't like you. You do not have an open mind as you preach. Hunting someone out is not a threat and it does not mean beating your ass. I have "hunted" people in the the desert and they never even knew I was there. But they also were unaware that they had been "painted" with a laser rangefinder, then acquired with a .50 cal rifle from a mile away. Given the order they would have been cut in half. So take it the way you want. But what would most please me is if you would stop posting usless inofmation. I haven't been on this forum as long as most but I have already developed adn intolorence for you! Wise up and realize what peole think of you. i am not sure there is anyone on this forum that agrees or likes you. Take your toys and go home.
Devil Dog by training Patriot for life!
This is why people don't like you. You do not have an open mind as you preach. Hunting someone out is not a threat and it does not mean beating your ass. I have "hunted" people in the the desert and they never even knew I was there. But they also were unaware that they had been "painted" with a laser rangefinder, then acquired with a .50 cal rifle from a mile away. Given the order they would have been cut in half. So take it the way you want. But what would most please me is if you would stop posting usless inofmation. I haven't been on this forum as long as most but I have already developed adn intolorence for you! Wise up and realize what peole think of you. i am not sure there is anyone on this forum that agrees or likes you. Take your toys and go home.
Devil Dog by training Patriot for life!
devildog88 said:Oh, and john I truley doubt that you know the meaning of serving your country. A male nurse on a ship doesn't count! No wonder you have homosexual tendencies!
Devil,
No NOT a "male nurse on a ship"!!!
A MAN - a INFANTRY MAN IN COMBAT IN WAR. And I am a BiSexual MAN - I LOVE people - Human Beings - both Men AND Women. And I use NO ONE. And they do not me. EVER. Those I have been with KNOW I CARE ABOUT THEM COMPLETELY and Equally.
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Yeah, uh huh. Sure you were.John H. said:
. Ok John Here is your chance, What branch, what unit/division. Tell me your MOS and where you were stationed. Where did you serve and what part of this little world did you serve in combat?
John H. said:
Wow another BS answer with no substiantial reason to show your support for him other than he did research to his best. Have you even read his books or is your trolling of these sites just for fun to stir up shit. I already know how your going to answer so don't bother I am done.
devildog88 said:
Devil,
The difference between you and I is that I do NOT "tell" people what I can and have done or will do. I am very silent and careful and methodical. I cause no one harm but I do not let harm come my way - I am VERY observant and SEE - by training I have done myself before I even went into the service which is why I am a former Sniper-recon infantryman. And I was trained very well by the best - and by the Marines as well. One on one.
Now I do not like to revisit what I have done. I know. And that is all that matters. I know what I am capable of and why and the right reasons - not just made up. I am thorough and complete.
I see you like to speak for others. I always let others speak for themselves. If someone dislikes me that is up to them. But they do not KNOW me. I only let "certain people" "in" and am VERY SELECTIVE. And I know whenever there is any danger - I trained myself well too.
I do not wave a "flag" or say I am a "patriot" - those that KNOW me KNOW WHO I AM by my actions every day.
33 confirmed. And I do not want to discuss this - doing it is enough "discussion".
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You are so full of shit you stink! The first rule is never speak of the confirms! You are a fake Son!John H. said:
devildog88 said:
Devil,
Like I said, I am a quiet Man.
I do not tell everything and mostly not much of anything. I KNOW. That's good enough. And those MEN I speak to "in silence" KNOW what I am SAYING.
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Like I said, you are full of shit! Which means all of your other posts are meaningless and shallow!John H. said:
God Bless America
john you have a very interesting opinion of yourself. hard to believe, but then again it could be an inferiority complex so you have to get your feelings out over the internet so things dont go bad for you. hell we could all in effect be a group therapy session for you. ha ha ha.John H. said:
make all the conclusions you want about how i type and my education, the ironic thing is john i have seen you make typeing mistakes on the same post that you were trying to correct someone on.
and i have now come to the conclusion people really dont take any of your posts seriously anymore so there is no need to really contend points of arguement with you. people here are smart enough to realize not to take your word for something and to look it up themselves if they are curious enough about it. good luck with therapy john
The question should be does God believe in me? Why did he put me here to test me, does he not have any faith in me?
John H.
You continue to say that you do not support child abuse, or those who do it. And yet you support someone who was sick enough in the head to wonder, and experiment and study about that EXACT thing. You say he loved his children, would he let his children be involved in the study? And even more, since you defend him like a long lost lover, would you like your kids involved in the study? That is my POINT!!! There is NOTHING to defend, he is a WHACKO, and ANYONE who defends him as strongly as you do, I'm sorry but I think you have a problem. Why do you think his study of sexual abuse on children is okay? You claim it was for legitimate science, I still believe anyone in their right mind thinks it's wrong. Again what if it was with your child? Do you see MY point!!!
It's frustrating to think MY Lord died for ignorant and perverse people like that.
You continue to say that you do not support child abuse, or those who do it. And yet you support someone who was sick enough in the head to wonder, and experiment and study about that EXACT thing. You say he loved his children, would he let his children be involved in the study? And even more, since you defend him like a long lost lover, would you like your kids involved in the study? That is my POINT!!! There is NOTHING to defend, he is a WHACKO, and ANYONE who defends him as strongly as you do, I'm sorry but I think you have a problem. Why do you think his study of sexual abuse on children is okay? You claim it was for legitimate science, I still believe anyone in their right mind thinks it's wrong. Again what if it was with your child? Do you see MY point!!!
It's frustrating to think MY Lord died for ignorant and perverse people like that.
Archangel said:
Archangel,
I see what you are saying. I DO understand ANYONE being honestly concerned especially when it comes to the welfare and care of children. You DO NOT see what I am saying.
And I doubt you even read even one word of the work Dr. Kinsey and his Associates wrote - certainly not with any objectivity. Have YOU actually read anything written? And exactly what?
I DO NOT CONDONE the abuse of anyone - ESPECIALLY CHILDREN - in any form. . I never said I did and anyone that actually knows me personally KNOWS what I feel about it, etc. Having said that, Dr. Kinsey and his Associates DID NOT abuse anyone at any time. You would not KNOW that yourself because of your lack of what actually DID happen and the why behind it. And you do not see the importance of the totality of the work done.
You are not the first and not the last person to disagree with Dr. Kinsey and his work. MANY however have understood that work completely and did actually read what was written objectively as mature adults and agree with it. And see and understand the accuracy and truthfulness of it. The majority of those that disagree are those that can be idenitifed as "overtly religious" people. Many times these people read nothing more than the Bible - it is their ONLY source for any knowledge about anything. They never really consider anything else - provided by God as well - as something that can and does contribute to honest learning. They are generally very narrow-minded in their thinking and their actions. And certainly have tunnel vision and can not see the woods for the trees.
Might I remind you that it WAS the religious zealots and the politicians that put Christ to death we are told. They DEMANDED His death. Remember that.
Not trying to be disrespectful to you but do you really hold yourself "so high" as to consider yourself as "Archangel"?
John H.
