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Does the amount you lift determine the size?

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i was just wondering i saw some of you can bench around well 225 to 275. I dont know what the majority is but i only bench around 150. The thing is some people can bench 300 and they dont show any pecs. Usually they will have man Titsters but aside from that, is it possible for me to get some pretty decent pecs from 150 or is that up in the 200 and above range? My theory is that for each person its dif. for instance if i keep with my 125 and get a burn every week i will show signs. Hopefully that is true, lol otherwise im gonna need to join a gym to get more weights:) I know as i get stronger i should increase the weights but just wondering in the end the guys with the big pecs do you always have to bench more then 200 to get them?
 
good question
 
If you do not increase the weight you will no longer be overloading the muscle, therefore they will have no reason to grow bigger and/or stronger (which is called adaption).

So, yes you need to increase weight, going for a "burn" will not stimulate any further strength or size.

You should be hitting failure somewhere in the 4-8 rep range, if you can do 15 reps and you get a good pump/burn that will not cause hypertrophy. It will increase your endurance (slow twitch muscle fibers) though.
 
what about the other part of the question

ive seen smaller guys than me lift way more than me, now does the size of ure muscle determine how much you can lift or wat?
 
Originally posted by perfecto
what about the other part of the question

ive seen smaller guys than me lift way more than me, now does the size of ure muscle determine how much you can lift or wat?

Not necessarily, are powlifters as big and developed as bodybuilders?

If you train strictly for strength like a powerlifter you will not attain the type of size and development that a bodybuilder has. That's why a bodybulder does not go below the 4-6 rep range.
 
i'm a pretty weak bastard but my chest is quite big. i think genetics has a lot to do with it, but once you add about 50 lbs+ more bodyweight you will have a big chest no matter what :)
just keep eating lots and adding reps or weight each week.
oh ya.. my reps are always between 6 - 12.
 
According to training ettiquette you should be able to lift your weight if you 180 lbs you should be able to bench press 180. Then it depends your dedication to training and it will increase gradually. I have seen 200 lbs guy hat cannot bench press 160 lbs. He needs to go and do home work.
 
I think it is all on how you train. If you train for strength you will get stronger but not necessary get a lot bigger. Take me for example: I only weight 172, 5 ft 10, not the biggest guy, and I can bench over 260 lbs.

You will need to get more weight if you are trying to increase your strength and size. Getting a "burn" doesn???t indicate that you are gaining any strength or size. You have to overload the muscles to get a response.

On a side note. I personally think joining a gym is the best thing to do if you are seriously considering getting stronger and adding some size.
 
If you are trying to put on solid mass the best way to do it is to stick to the compound exercises like bench press, squats, deadlifts, power cleans, the basic foundation exercises.

Strength is determined on more than one level. It has to do with natural strength, size, technique, experience, eatting right and other things. For an exercise like bench press, you use a lot of tricep strength. One reason powerlifts lift more than bodybuilders is because they try to use their full body to lift the weight instead of just pectoral strength like a bodybuilder. they will drive their legs into the ground to press their upperbody into the bench which allows for them to keep the weight more stable and to give more strength. They do a lot of triples, doubles, and singles to work on maximum amount of strength rather than size. However, lifting for optimum strength with a huge weight will build your chest huge. It's necessary for hard, thick pectorals.

I've been lifting for a little over two years now and I'm benching 245 for reps and working a 300lb max. When I first started to lift I aimed at training like a bodybuilder, but I knew in order to get huge I would have to train like a powerlifter so I began to use heavy days along with light days. The heavy days are great for building the best amount of power, strength, and size. The light days help refine the muscles and fatigue them completely which helps add the size. On my heavy days I will do 5 sets of 5 reps at the most. I will go to failure always on the last set if not on the second to last set. Going to failure on these sets is what makes the muscles grow. It requires all the muscles in your pecs to try and lift the weight and they have no option but to grow.

This is when eatting at least a gram of protein for every pound comes into play. It is absolutely necessary that you do this to obtain max strength and size. Not to mention getting at least 8 hours of sleep. Keep your heavy lifting days away from your lighter days. I usually do my heavy bench on monday and then i will bench again on thursday. It's different for everybody, but i find this works very well for me.

If you want to develop a huge body you have to train huge and eat huge. Don't eat junk though and don't train like junk. You get what you put in.

If you want a huge bench. Work on triceps, deltoids, lats, legs, everything. When you do heavy squats and deadlifts it builds strength throughout the body. I won't go into the scientific reasons for it now because i don't want to confuse you and it would take some time, but it's important. Don't skimp out because squats are tough, they are a must.
 
IMO...what matters is that you lift as much as YOU can and reach failure in the 4-8 rep range. It doesn't matter how much the guy/gal next to you lifts....worry about yourself....if you're maxing out in the "correct" rep range for hypertrophy...that's what matters.
 
Originally posted by Prince
If you do not increase the weight you will no longer be overloading the muscle, therefore they will have no reason to grow bigger and/or stronger (which is called adaption).

So, yes you need to increase weight, going for a "burn" will not stimulate any further strength or size.

You should be hitting failure somewhere in the 4-8 rep range, if you can do 15 reps and you get a good pump/burn that will not cause hypertrophy. It will increase your endurance (slow twitch muscle fibers) though.


You dont always have to increase weight to gain mass. Its not the only way. There is 2 other ways your forgetting.

1. Changing the specific exercise patter
2. Changing the specific rep/set scheme of the training

Its simple if you know the law's of the body and its adaption.


Kc
 
FortifiedIron, you took what I said out of context. I was simply stating in response to the original question (which you failed to read) that once you get to a point where you can do a weight for 15 reps it's necessary to increase weight.

I never said that increasing weight was the ONLY way to cause hypertrophy.

If I can max out on bench at around 300lbs no matter what rep/set scheme I use 125lbs is not going to stimulate growth, the most it will do is increase endurance.
 
Originally posted by Prince
FortifiedIron, you took what I said out of context. I was simply stating in response to the original question (which you failed to read) that once you get to a point where you can do a weight for 15 reps it's necessary to increase weight.

I never said that increasing weight was the ONLY way to cause hypertrophy.

If I can max out on bench at around 300lbs no matter what rep/set scheme I use 125lbs is not going to stimulate growth, the most it will do is increase endurance.


Once again i was just elaborating on what you said. I never said what you said was wrong did I? No, I was simply showing the reader there is more then one way to induce hypertrophy/strength. Sorry if you think my post came off negative towards you, it was by all mans not!


Kc
 
Originally posted by Mifody
i'm a pretty weak bastard but my chest is quite big. i think genetics has a lot to do with it, but once you add about 50 lbs+ more bodyweight you will have a big chest no matter what :)
just keep eating lots and adding reps or weight each week.
oh ya.. my reps are always between 6 - 12.

your right about genetics. some people are built different than others. some guys will ahve a big looking chest and be weak, others will be opposite. i think a lot has to do with muscle density too.
 
Originally posted by RCfootball87
your right about genetics. some people are built different than others. some guys will ahve a big looking chest and be weak, others will be opposite. i think a lot has to do with muscle density too.

Yes, genetics play a huge role, everything from muscle fiber types which can differ from each individual (e.g. some have more fast twitch than others) to bone length and tendon atttachment, which will effect leverage.

There are very few people that have the genetics to look like a Ronnie Coleman or an Arnold, all of the drugs in the world will not get a person to that level of development if they do not posess the genetics.
 
Originally posted by Prince
Yes, genetics play a huge role, everything from muscle fiber types which can differ from each individual (e.g. some have more fast twitch than others) to bone length and tendon atttachment, which will effect leverage.

Hitting on the muscle fiber types, do you then think some respond to more volume for mass as other respond more to more of a HIT type routine?

For myself I like to switch reps/ volume/ routines often but for mass I seem to respond better to volume. I still limit workouts to 1 hour per session.
 
Originally posted by Charger
Hitting on the muscle fiber types, do you then think some respond to more volume for mass as other respond more to more of a HIT type routine?

Everyone has a different amount of fiber types, some are predominantly white fiber, some red, and some a "even" mixture. Obviously the majority of us are a mixture of white and red, but some of us will have more white than red and vice versa. With that said, the ones that are predominantly white are always going to have the genetic advantage in regards to size and strength, and will respond better to less volume. Those that lean in the red fiber direction will have more success with higher volume, but will probably never have the size and strength as someone that is predominantly white fiber.

(btw, that is a summary of a reseach project that Fred Hatfield worked on in his PhD work, so if you disagree you're disagreeing with Fred Hatfield not me.) :)
 
I am not trying to disagree with none of you guys. A skinny guy or whatever be able to add more strength and mass in terms of dedication and training. I know genetics play a major role. With a burn desire it can be achieved with no doubt.:confused:
 
Originally posted by Prince
Anyone can gain muscle, but the rate at which they gain it will vary, and we all have different genetic potentials/limitations.

Agreed.
 
Originally posted by Prince

(btw, that is a summary of a reseach project that Fred Hatfield worked on in his PhD work, so if you disagree you're disagreeing with Fred Hatfield not me.) :)

Nope, makes sense. I would have to say I tend to have more white as I have to really fight to make gains. Being of medium build, and medium strength, it seems to fit my profile. I took forever to reach a 300lb bench.
Some of my best and fastest gains came from volume training using Polequins GVT.
I had never read Freds theory on the this, thanks.
 
Yes, red, what was I thinking. I can't say I am big on endurance either. I guess I have never tried to push for endurance, probably never will, not my cup of tea.
I make gains with a HIT style routine but not as well as I do with volume. While doing GVT I made good gains every week doing 10 sets of 10 or doing 10 sets of 6 and going heavier actually worked better.
Good thread:)
 
You should increase the weight to a poundage that allows 10 reps per set,and decreaseyour rest periods if all the weight you have is 150 lbs.Intensity can be described as doing the greatest amount of work in the shortest amount of time possible.When you can do all your sets of 10 reps with the 150 lbs. you might try doing flyes first to pre-exhaust the pecs or try super sets to keep the workouts progressive.Eventually you`ll have to buy more weight or join a gym if you wanted to get stronger if you are content with your training at that point just try to maintain your physique.I don`t know your long range goals.
 
Originally posted by tjwes
You should increase the weight to a poundage that allows 10 reps per set,and decrease your rest periods if all the weight you have is 150 lbs.

If you goal is size/strength that would not be very effective, especially the part about decreasing your rest periods. When training anaerobically for size/strength it's important to give the muscle time (2-3 minutes) to recover between sets. If your goal is endurance than decreasing rest time would be effective.

:)
 
If your only training at home then you probably need to get more stuff(too expensive) or join a gym. Remeber to change it up every once and a while. A strong bench press must be attained through supporting muscles as well as the chest. Shoulders and tris are a major contributer to strength in the bench press. Train these body parts to help your overall strength. Incline, decline, dumbells. Keep at it and when the weight goes up, so will your size.
 
There are 173 pound guys benching in the 600s. Bodybuilding is very diet oriented, staying in your weight class for powerlifting means very carefull dieting as well, but obviously not with size in mind.

Also though genetics are going to play a role, some guy with 20" arms might only bench in the 400s and others may well bench into the 500s, if both were bodybuilders and eating similarly.
 
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