Dont Buy Them

[HardTrainer]

Supplemnets = Cash Drain

 

[PreMier]

Thats a dumb statement. Without the essentials, it would be hard to get what you need. Ofcourse there are ones that are way over hyped, that I wouldnt buy, but still..

 

[Addiction]

Supplemnets = Cash Drain

Obviously you have been suckered into buying "hyped" supplements
There are some GREAT ones out there.

 

[ZECH]

Thats a dumb statement. Without the essentials, it would be hard to get what you need. Ofcourse there are ones that are way over hyped, that I wouldnt buy, but still..

Agree. there are some very good ones that are essential and some that are pure crap.

 

[GFR]

Great thread I agree 100%....
I will take a multi vitamin/mineral and also use Whey protein, but I agree it is really only a replacement to things you can get by eating a good diet.
99% of supplements are bull shit or just a mediocre replacement for something you can get a better source of in real food.

 

[Arnold]

99% of supplements are bull shit or just a mediocre replacement for something you can get a better source of in real food.

not sure I agree with this, at least not completely, although I may be biased since I have a supplement company.

there are many herbal supplements, as well as supps like creatine that you cannot get by eating food, at least not in a high enough amount.

and even with vitamins and minerals it's hard to get enough from from food alone.

 

[GFR]

not sure I agree with this, at least not completely, although I may be biased since I have a supplement company.

there are many herbal supplements, as well as supps like creatine that you cannot get by eating food, at least not in a high enough amount.

and even with vitamins and minerals it's hard to get enough from from food alone.

I agree with you Rob....

My post was intended for people who ate organic food only and were very educated in nutrition.....so basically about 1% of the population......most of us Do need a multi vitamin/mineral and also a protein supplement, and also I think some herbal supplements are great and certainly you cant get them from regular food.
In a perfect world supplements are not very important but in reality they are essential for most of us.

 

[rpoclt]

What are some good supps for reducing body fat?

 

[LAM]

Great thread I agree 100%....
I will take a multi vitamin/mineral and also use Whey protein, but I agree it is really only a replacement to things you can get by eating a good diet.

honestly I "used" to think the same thing until I first went to fitday.com years ago. If you track all of your meals for a day and/or week and run the report which calculates your totals of vitamins and minerals you will not meet the RDA for everything unless you supplement with a multi vitamin and even then you will miss on some

 

[musclepump]

Obviously you have been suckered into buying "hyped" supplements
There are some GREAT ones out there.

He must have bought MuscleTech!

 

[Arnold]

If you track all of your meals for a day and/or week and run the report which calculates your totals of vitamins and minerals you will not meet the RDA for everything unless you supplement with a multi vitamin and even then you will miss on some

and the RDA is not nearly enough for a bodybuilder.

a q & a I wrote a while back

 

[Pirate!]

and the RDA is not nearly enough for a bodybuilder.

The RDA is adequate for over 98% of the healthy U.S. population. Very few people fall into the <2% that need more than the RDA of vitamins and minerals, and the ones that do would more likely be endurance athletes, not bodybuilders. Of course, bodybuilders need way more protein than the RDA provides--endurance athletes do, too. Dispite what many on the boards tend to believe, bodybuilding isn't as strenuous on the body as many other sports.


To stay on topic, there are a handful of really useful supplements. It is unfortunate that the majority of supplements are total crap--making people lose confidence in the industry.

 

[Arnold]

Taken from Dr. Fred Hatfield's site:

RDA (Recommended Daily Dietary Allowances) -- Estimates established by the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences for nutritional needs necessary for prevention of nutrient depletion in healthy people. Does not take into account altered requirements due to sickness, injury, physical or mental stress, use of medications or drugs, nor compensate for the nutrient losses that occur during processing and preparation of food. RDA standards do not apply to athletes, who have extraordinary nutrient needs. While they were designed to meet the needs of a majority of people, RDAs are nonetheless far too low for serious athletes and even for fitness enthusiasts who exercise regularly.

www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=18


I think I will take his advice over yours.


Biography of Dr. Hatfield

Co-Founder and President of The International Sports Sciences Association, an organization specializing in certifying personal fitness trainers worldwide, SportStrength Co., manufacturers of highest quality gym and fitness equipment, and ProPower, Inc., manufacturers of high quality performance supplements. Dr. Hatfield has written over 60 books (including several best-sellers) and hundreds of articles in the general areas of sports training, fitness, bodybuilding and performance nutrition. Dr. Hatfield (a.k.a. Dr. Squat), won the world championships three times in the sport of powerlifting, and at age 45 performed a competitive squat with 1014 pound at a body weight of 255 pounds (more weight than anyone in history had ever lifted in competition). He is a training consultant to professional sports teams, sports governing bodies, and world-class and professional athletes.

 

[LAM]

Very few people fall into the <2% that need more than the RDA of vitamins and minerals, and the ones that do would more likely be endurance athletes, not bodybuilders.

you honestly believe that a sedentary individual who drinks 4 glasses of water a day needs the same amounts of water soluable vitamins as a bodybuilder who drinks 1.5-2 gals of water a day and partakes in 10+ hours of high intensity exercise a week ?

 

[PrincePaul]

Maybe it would be a good idea to post a sticky of what supp's are good, and which aren't as good. I know everyone has their own opinion, but it would be a good look at what works for some, and what doesn't.

 

[fLYERMAN]

what's so wrong with Muscletech? i've been taking their protein and pills for a few years, and have seen very good results. i thought they were 1 of the best, if not THE best ones out there. am i wrong? what are you taking?

 

[LAM]

what's so wrong with Muscletech?

severely overpriced. there is nothing special about their products that warrant the higher price tag

 

[FishOrCutBait]

Dr. Hatfield has written over 60 books... At age 45 performed a competitive squat with 1014 pound at a body weight of 255 pounds

Thats why they call him "Dr. Squat", first and only man with a PHD to squat 1000 pounds. Bodybuilding: A Scientific Approach was a very good book, too.