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EK YellowTops - Test Results

What the hell is the point of lab testing if product/source reps just toss it in the bin because it's the only bad result? Face it, there is no fucking GH in those vials. Give the man his money back or get him a new deal.
 
irish_2003 said:
mod or not...you and i don't have a friendly history...keep your nose out of this
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Nope, I mod the lab section and I'm the one who wrote the testing protocol. The labs indicate crap hgh.
This has nothing to do w you and I, it's called science.
 
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exphys88 said:
Nope, I mod the lab section and I'm the one who wrote the testing protocol. The labs indicate crap hgh.
This has nothing to do w you and I, it's called science.
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if one person claims low numbers out of the hundreds of customers of the sale, then ek isn't wasting his time nor will i...focusing on the other 99.99% of the customers
 
irish_2003 said:
if one person claims low numbers out of the hundreds of customers of the sale, then ek isn't wasting his time nor will i...focusing on the other 99.99% of the customers
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Spoken like a true car salesman.
 
irish_2003 said:
it's troll season again already...omfg
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I disagree with your position on the original topic, but that piece of shit shouldn't be allowed to advertise in a thread about EK.

The rules are often overlooked for him though.
 
irish_2003 said:
if one person claims low numbers out of the hundreds of customers of the sale, then ek isn't wasting his time nor will i...focusing on the other 99.99% of the customers
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is that it ? You're not gonna do anything for a customer who you have supplied fake goods to, cos he's only one customer ?
what your basically saying is you don't care about any of your customers.
 
cube789 said:
is that it ? You're not gonna do anything for a customer who you have supplied fake goods to, cos he's only one customer ?
what your basically saying is you don't care about any of your customers.
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he's the ONLY one claiming low numbers...he's the problem the problem then and not the gear...low responder? improper testing? improper usage? or all of the above?

or maybe, just maybe it's coinciding with the one person bad reading and several sponsors and many many newbies posting on their new gh supplies...timing of it all is rather ironic...ek's not stupid...he knows exactly what's going on
 
irish_2003 said:
he's the ONLY one claiming low numbers...he's the problem the problem then and not the gear...low responder? improper testing? improper usage? or all of the above?

or maybe, just maybe it's coinciding with the one person bad reading and several sponsors and many many newbies posting on their new gh supplies...timing of it all is rather ironic...ek's not stupid...he knows exactly what's going on
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How bout I test them myself?
 
^^^^ how about you two agree on somebody testing. Does the OP have any left? They surely aren't helping him any. Pick a member you both are ok with and let's see if the OP will send out an unopened kit. Only fair way it could be done.
 
hoyle21 said:
^^^^ how about you two agree on somebody testing. Does the OP have any left? They surely aren't helping him any. Pick a member you both are ok with and let's see if the OP will send out an unopened kit. Only fair way it could be done.
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ek selected unbiased testers before the sale and before he posted the sale...that's all that matters...you either like those results or you're always gonna be the type that questions things...once again...no need since only 1 f'n person claiming low numbers and "claiming they're from ek...i can get ek to pull email messages and see if there is history to prove or disprove that, but that's not even necessary...if dozens of members had low numbers then i'd worry and ek would worry and sort things out, but once again if we worried about one person out of thousands of email and website customers that are happy there'd be no business...and that's where this stays...
 
i m not here to protect any interest but from my point of view not everyone believes these bloodtests. rhGH serum testing is a crude method for confirming HGH potency. be advised that some users are low or non responders. the following abstract gives us some data to consider. also most docs use IGF-1 results to confirm proper dosing of rhGH therefore i highly recommend getting IGF-1 results along side rhGH serum results.

Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 Jan-Apr;17(1):33-8.

Growth hormone antibodies formation in patients treated with recombinant human growth hormone.

Ahangari G, Ostadali MR, Rabani A, Rashidian J, Sanati MH, Zarindast MR.
Source

Department of Molecular Medicine and Immunology, National Research Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Tehran, Iran.ghah@nrcgeb.ac.ir
Abstract

Human growth hormone (HGH) is normally produced by acidophilic cells of the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland. Recombinant DNA technology has made it possible to produce rhGH. There have been reports of immunological reactions in patients treated with rhGH. For this reason, it is necessary to check sera of patients for presence of antibody against rhGH. Forty-seven children were treated for up to 6 months with recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH-Novo), 0.1 IU/Kg body weight, subcutaneously, three times weekly. The magnitude of growth response was similar to those expected from clinical experience with pituitary growth hormone. We examined sera for specific antibodies against rhGH by ELISA methods. Four patients developed serum antibodies against growth hormone. The analysis of these four sera by Dot blotting method also showed presence of antibodies against rhGH. In the sera of treated patients, pre-incubated with different concentration of rhGH, specific antibodies were detected by neutralizing assay. This finding was confirmed by ELISA technique. In conclusion, the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibition its growth promoting effect.

PMID:
15000864
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
(1) one lost customer is one to many. Irish has given me a sour taste in my mouth, I will have to re-think doing business with EK.
 
big recon said:
(1) one lost customer is one to many. Irish has given me a sour taste in my mouth, I will have to re-think doing business with EK.
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you can't please everyone all the time...you've left a troll taste in my mouth

and for Grozny, who's also posted against EK in the past, it speaks volumes when he comes in and posts about low responsders...take that for what it's worth today too
 
Grozny said:
i m not here to protect any interest but from my point of view not everyone believes these bloodtests. rhGH serum testing is a crude method for confirming HGH potency. be advised that some users are low or non responders. the following abstract gives us some data to consider. also most docs use IGF-1 results to confirm proper dosing of rhGH therefore i highly recommend getting IGF-1 results along side rhGH serum results.

Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 Jan-Apr;17(1):33-8.

Growth hormone antibodies formation in patients treated with recombinant human growth hormone.

Ahangari G, Ostadali MR, Rabani A, Rashidian J, Sanati MH, Zarindast MR.
Source

Department of Molecular Medicine and Immunology, National Research Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Tehran, Iran.ghah@nrcgeb.ac.ir
Abstract

Human growth hormone (HGH) is normally produced by acidophilic cells of the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland. Recombinant DNA technology has made it possible to produce rhGH. There have been reports of immunological reactions in patients treated with rhGH. For this reason, it is necessary to check sera of patients for presence of antibody against rhGH. Forty-seven children were treated for up to 6 months with recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH-Novo), 0.1 IU/Kg body weight, subcutaneously, three times weekly. The magnitude of growth response was similar to those expected from clinical experience with pituitary growth hormone. We examined sera for specific antibodies against rhGH by ELISA methods. Four patients developed serum antibodies against growth hormone. The analysis of these four sera by Dot blotting method also showed presence of antibodies against rhGH. In the sera of treated patients, pre-incubated with different concentration of rhGH, specific antibodies were detected by neutralizing assay. This finding was confirmed by ELISA technique. In conclusion, the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibition its growth promoting effect.

PMID:
15000864
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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this is irrelevant, these kids were on rhgh for 6 months and some developed antibodies after a long period of time. Do you really think he developed antibodies in 12 hours?

In every study I've seen on single injections of hgh, the lowest number is 15, with most falling into the 20-30 range. The studies listed below are relevant to a single IM injection of hgh and it's pharmocokinetics. I'm unaware of any person injecting 10 iu of pharma grade hgh and getting lower than a 15.

Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of GH: dependence on route and dosage of administration

BMC Pharmacology and Toxicology | Full text | Pharmacokinetics of recombinant human growth hormone administered by cool.click (TM) 2, a new needle-free device, compared with subcutaneous administration using a conventional syringe and needle
 
irish_2003 said:
you can't please everyone all the time...you've left a troll taste in my mouth

and for Grozny, who's also posted against EK in the past, it speaks volumes when he comes in and posts about low responsders...take that for what it's worth today too
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No you can't! But I would think being a representative of EK, you would show more professionalism towards your customers.....
 
Testers, Testers... step right up. Lots of tiny bottles for the testing.
 
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Kinglouie, send a vile my way...I am completely unbiased annd don't affliate with EITHER side...I will be blood testing kigs next week and blue tops next week, we can compare results of my serum tests to verify if EK's yellowtops are legit
 
I doubt you're helping yourself and EK here Irish.
 
nby said:
I doubt you're helping yourself and EK here Irish.
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you really have no idea...we have a team of reps for a reason...ek isn't able to be online much so i'm the bad cop and other reps the good cops...kinda like mom and dad...someone has to be firm with all of you and someone gives you candy and ice cream when you bump your knee and are crying like a girl...not that it matters, but i've been a rep for many many years...i kinda know what i'm doing and know the trends and stuff...or maybe i'll just start ignoring all the troll posts and they'll just go away when they get bored from nobody challenging them...
 
and btw...for every post, positive and negative, EK is still being bumped...members see that activity and usually are smart enough to filter thru things and make choices...they pm routinely too...so what you see for posts is about half of what us reps get daily in pm's...and multiply that by the many many boards, i'd say ek's doing more than great!!!
 
I love these new people coming on here and posting with an agenda. Makes you wonder.
 
irish_2003 said:
and btw...for every post, positive and negative, EK is still being bumped...members see that activity and usually are smart enough to filter thru things and make choices...they pm routinely too...so what you see for posts is about half of what us reps get daily in pm's...and multiply that by the many many boards, i'd say ek's doing more than great!!!
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I like EK, I think he's one of the best sponsors out there, if not the best. I also consider sloppy a friend. This is about test results to me, not EK bashing.
It's clear that either there was very little gh in the vials, or it has been damaged somewhere along the way though.
Either way, I'm sympathetic to Louie because he paid a shitload of money and has shit gh.
 
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