ephys88 and other IM evolutionists, please explain the origin of the universe

[LAM]

The issue is when religious arseholes start selling their beliefs as facts.


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ideologues just don't get it. just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it so, that's not the way things work in reality. facts are objective, not subjective.

 

[LAM]

Evolution is irrelevant to the beginning of the universe. You don't need an explanation of how the universe started to see all the incredible amount of proof of evolution.

Now, could you explain how god created the universe?

You demand so much evidence, yet completely dismiss that you have zero of your own.

I think the universe was created by a spaghetti monster who loves pirates. Prove me wrong. I even have gospels written by man detailing exactly how he did it. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

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[LAM]

christians don't actually belief that.. it seems as though non-christians like to create an enormous strawman of the bible

yes they do. there are many that take the words in the bible literally such as the Catholics and other types of fundamentalists.

 

[exphys88]

What i don't understand is why is so difficult to understand that some of us, humans, need to believe in a god, a deity that we can reach for peace of mind, that we can see as an answer for the inexplicable, the big bang, the evolution, life itself. Are we right? We may be or we might not be, who knows?
Cristians, muslims, jews, indus, budists, whatever. All of us look for answers, some of us just find diferent answers for the same questions. I believe that this is called being Human.

peace

That "need" to believe in something comes from a primitive understanding of the universe.

No religion has ever found answers to the questions of the universe, they just made them up and then added a shit load of rules, many of which are pointless and allow them to control women and other religious people who made up their own retarded shit.

 

[theCaptn']

The don't call religion the Opiate for the Masses for nothing. It's a system for controlling the population.

 

[Robalo]

That "need" to believe in something comes from a primitive understanding of the universe.

No religion has ever found answers to the questions of the universe, they just made them up and then added a shit load of rules, many of which are pointless and allow them to control women and other religious people who made up their own retarded shit.

Yes, i understand what you're saying. But that's how it is, primitive understanding or not, there are beliefs and people feel good with it. You don't believe in religions, some people do just because they want too, because they don't want to believe that death is the end of it. The rest of that mambo jambo are just excuses to keep it real...

 

[exphys88]

Yes, i understand what you're saying. But that's how it is, primitive understanding or not, there are beliefs and people feel good with it. You don't believe in religions, some people do just because they want too, because they don't want to believe that death is the end of it. The rest of that mambo jambo are just excuses to keep it real...

Agreed

 

[BP2000]

I don't have a clue how it started. Honestly, it's irrelevant because ill never know.
I do know that life on earth evolved though. It's not even debatable among scientists, just a few crazy creationists in America and not really in any other nation.

I'm fine admitting that I don't know, I don't need to convince myself of something crazy.

why retort with so much distain for creationism? If you don't know a simple two word response would suffice. "not sure"

The truth is creation was created by a higher being. That is why it's called Creation. Because that is what we do, create shit. We are the top dogs on this planet. We are spiritual beings in a human body. So it is "crazy" to think there could be a more advanced spiritual being who is capable of creating a world? The truth is that spiritual beings created this world (7 to be exact) and god wants us to finish the job. It is part of our growth to a higher state of consciousness or evolution. Evolution is a built in principle of God's network of law's. They are physical laws and spiritual laws. We know not of most the higher spiritual law and we still don't know all the physical law's.

 

[exphys88]

why retort with so much distain for creationism? If you don't know a simple two word response would suffice. "not sure"

The truth is creation was created by a higher being. That is why it's called Creation. Because that is what we do, create shit. We are the top dogs on this planet. We are spiritual beings in a human body. So it is "crazy" to think there could be a more advanced spiritual being who is capable of creating a world? The truth is that spiritual beings created this world (7 to be exact) and god wants us to finish the job. It is part of our growth to a higher state of consciousness or evolution. Evolution is a built in principle of God's network of law's. They are physical laws and spiritual laws. We know not of most the higher spiritual law and we still don't know all the physical law's.

Lol. Your post is gibberish, w a mixture of different religions, spirituality and a bit of new age.

Btw, evolution does not need god to work, neither does the universe. The world works perfectly w/o supernatural intervention.

 

[charley]

Seems to me all 'organized religion' is fear based, [be good now to avoid eternal pain] & I for one don't like the idea of a punishing god.....my god would be a mercy full god......I believe man invented god....but I agree that evolution is a normal process.....as far as the Big-Bang theory goes....I could use one...and I don't mean 'Gang-Bang'......

 

[Standard Donkey]

well this was a very enlightening thread. Now i know what the other side believes when they insult my beliefs lol..

 

[suprfast]

well this was a very enlightening thread. Now i know what the other side believes when they insult my beliefs lol..

Need a hug?

 

[Standard Donkey]

Need a hug?

i need more gear

 

[hoyle21]

well this was a very enlightening thread. Now i know what the other side believes when they insult my beliefs lol..

Not trying to insult but it was taught in 8th grade science. Pay attention in school damn it!

 

[Standard Donkey]

Not trying to insult but it was taught in 8th grade science. Pay attention in school damn it!

i went to a christian middle school

 

[LAM]

Seems to me all 'organized religion' is fear based, [be good now to avoid eternal pain] & I for one don't like the idea of a punishing god.....my god would be a mercy full god......I believe man invented god....but I agree that evolution is a normal process.....as far as the Big-Bang theory goes....I could use one...and I don't mean 'Gang-Bang'......

it's painfully obviously that it's nothing more than an allegory written over many years (by many authors) with not even many original story's contained. even the Church has admitted that many of the works contained in it were backdated...LMAO!

 

[exphys88]

i went to a christian middle school

Is that why you keep calling it a "belief?"

Do you believe that viruses and bacteria are real, or do you know they are and have been proven so?

 

[hoyle21]

Is that why you keep calling it a "belief?"

Do you believe that viruses and bacteria are real, or do you know they are and have been proven so?

You realize this isn't going anywhere right?

On the bright side the evidence is so overwhelming that quite a few denominations have come out for evolution. The Catholic Church being one of them. It's progress at least.

 

[exphys88]

You realize this isn't going anywhere right?

On the bright side the evidence is so overwhelming that quite a few denominations have come out for evolution. The Catholic Church being one of them. It's progress at least.

Lol, yes I do, it's just amusing to make fun of creationists, especially hateful, racist, angry Christians. You know, the kind of Christian that Jesus envisioned.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I'm one of those guys who believes in a higher power.
I don't know what it is, I just pretend to.

I believe in the possibility of evolution. In fact, I grew up believing it was "just known".
I had no idea growing up that there were some people who refuted Evolution.

I can understand why some atheist like to use science as a counter to religion.

But Science and Ancient religion really go hand and hand. Everything I've read about hinduist beliefs, and well as many Philosophers, points out things in our universe that we've only recently uncovered with science. Also, Science seems to point to a God of some sort. Whether it be a giant process, or force, or personality, I haven't yet determined.

But I do give thanks to the sun, the universe, my friends and family, and this feeling deep inside myself, that there is more out there.

 

[troubador]

Also, Science seems to point to a God of some sort.

No, it doesn't. If you define god to mean any powerful force you don't understand then you might be right but nowhere does science point to a supreme being.

 

[LAM]

I believe in the possibility of evolution. In fact, I grew up believing it was "just known".
I had no idea growing up that there were some people who refuted Evolution.

I can understand why some atheist like to use science as a counter to religion.

your belief system in terms of religion stems from your upbringing, it was all around you at the beginning of your life. "your mind" has turned this belief of a higher power into "fact" which it indeed is not. belief is the corner stone of all religions.

had you grown up in India you would be Hindu, Iraq a Muslim, etc.

there is no proof of a higher power, only words written in texts. facts are objective, they exist whether or not a person knows them or acknowledges them they are mind independent. religion is subjective as is all language regardless if it's written or spoken falls, it falls victim to the korzybski principle. which is why words should never be taken literally unless a specific meaning is noted as is seen in some scientific texts and papers.

 

[heckler7]

I don't have a clue how it started. Honestly, it's irrelevant because ill never know.
I do know that life on earth evolved though. It's not even debatable among scientists, just a few crazy creationists in America and not really in any other nation.

I'm fine admitting that I don't know, I don't need to convince myself of something crazy.

evolved from what its only a theory just like god exist there is no proof of the origin of man, but science and archelogist have proven that passages in the bible happened. The recently found the garden of eden, and they also found the arch. The bible is history but its not perfect

i guess i beleive in evolution aided by something

so many things in my life are tiny miracles...i could have been dead a hundred different ways by now...i could call a ditch with a newspaper for a blanket home like i used to
i have no idea why some people rise up and others never can or do but i am so grateful for my blessings...i never thought i would belong anywhere


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Yes, it all originated from the same cell, including plants. You'd be surprised how big of a percentage of our DNA is exactly the same as a plants.

Different shit is due to a lot if factors, some if which we have not discovered and some that we know like natural selection. And billions of years.

so the big bang theory describes the development of the universe.. not necessarily its origin.. which leaves a lot left unexplained.

so somewhere down the line, something came from nothing..?

Yes, i understand what you're saying. But that's how it is, primitive understanding or not, there are beliefs and people feel good with it. You don't believe in religions, some people do just because they want too, because they don't want to believe that death is the end of it. The rest of that mambo jambo are just excuses to keep it real...

it's painfully obviously that it's nothing more than an allegory written over many years (by many authors) with not even many original story's contained. even the Church has admitted that many of the works contained in it were backdated...LMAO!

No, it doesn't. If you define god to mean any powerful force you don't understand then you might be right but nowhere does science point to a supreme being.

if it didnt why would scientist spend so much time and money looking for the god particle

 

[kamiwazi]

You should read a junior high biology book. Or an anthropology, zoology, paleontology, archaeology, or geology book.

You see, every area of the biological sciences on every civilized nation all agree that evolution is the unifying theory for all of them.

Do you not believe in atomic or germ theory either? Do you know that it's never been proven that matter is made up of atoms? That viruses and bacteria have never been proven to actually exist?

You should start a thread challenging the periodic table of elements or the existence of bacteria.

Lmao at creationists!

I believe in GOD.... but not the fat guy on a cloud GOD.. GOD the energy force in and around all things.... and of course there was AND STILL IS evolution! i mean WTF its seen EVERYWHERE!

I am with you.
Just silly to think other wise... in my op anyway

 

[LAM]

evolved from what its only a theory just like god exist there is no proof of the origin of man, but science and archelogist have proven that passages in the bible happened. The recently found the garden of eden, and they also found the arch. The bible is history but its not perfect

if it didnt why would scientist spend so much time and money looking for the god particle

the name "god particle" is a misnomer as was stated by Leon Lederman who coined the phrase. it was done intentionally to basically stir the pot and it has worked quite well at doing so.

 

[hoyle21]

Neither the Ark nor garden of Eden have been found

 

[troubador]

evolved from what its only a theory just like god exist there is no proof of the origin of man

if it didnt why would scientist spend so much time and money looking for the god particle

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying in the first sentence. Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation of how it works. Before you respond, make sure you understand the definition of "scientific theory" and how it's different than the word theory used casually. Don't dumb everything down by not being able to get past the word theory.

The god particle? That's not a scientific term.

 

[exphys88]

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying in the first sentence. Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation of how it works. Before you respond, make sure you understand the definition of "scientific theory" and how it's different than the word theory used casually. Don't dumb everything down by not being able to get past the word theory.

The god particle? That's not a scientific term.

Lol

 

[theCaptn']

Neither the Ark nor garden of Eden have been found

Mount Ararat, some bits of wood were discovered by an Armenian goat herder while he was didling his flick don't you know

 

[ckcrown84]

I normally do not chime in on these types of discussions. Now my argument I am going to outline is very dense and can be elaborated on by many and fleshed out a lot more but I shall give a few problems with the creationist argument against evolution.

1) Evolution is a simple outcome of the struggle for existence, reproduction, and competition for scarce resources.
2) "Ultimate" questions, where did the universe come from, who created the "laws" of the universe etc, have no bearing on the functionality of those laws.

Now speaking of ultimates...
How is positing the existence of an infinitely more complex entity solve the problem of explaining the complexity of another entity.
In other words, God by necessity is more complex than that which he is used to explain. If God can exist without a creator, and (s)he/ it is more complex than the universe itself then how is it intellectually acceptable or fulfilling to say that God can exist without being created but the universe can not?

my understanding of evolution is very limited.


please, if you have the time, enlighten us creationists as to how existence came about