Estimating proper amount of gear

[aja44]

So I am very interested in trying a cycle this fall and looking to figure out what I will need and how much I will need to buy. I have read the sticky and the recommended first cycle was something like this:

Week 1 - 5 - 500mg
Week 6 - 8 - 800mg
Week 9-10 - 1000mg

10mg Aromasin Daily
500iu HCG 2 times per week

PCT
Day 1 - 16 - 1000iu HCG every other day if taking with cycle
Clomid - 50mg twice per week Weeks 1 - 3 and 50mg twice per week in week 4
Aromasin - 20mg per day in weeks 1 - 3 and 10mg per day in week 4
3g Vitamin C per day
10g Creatine per day
Nolva - have on side for possible gyno

So I figure I would run Propionate for my first cycle as opposed to Cyp. On WP they sell the vials as (10 ml 100mg/m). How many vials will I need to run this cycle and how do I determine this in the future?

Clomid - comes in pill form and each is 50mg so easy to calculate this.

Aromasin - cannot find on WP site.
HCG - comes 5000iu per vial. Need about 4 vials for both cycle and PCT
How much Nova would you recommend getting for emergency and how much would I need to take if I were to get gyno?

Being the first cycle I will ever do, I believe I read that the Prop should be done twice per week. So are their pins that I would need to buy for both the Prop and then for the HCG? Can you recommend sizes and how many for the above cycle?

Thanks in advance?

 

[jcar1016]

Ok well Im not gonna answer some of those questions because you need to do more research some of that you can easily find out with out help. One thing I will help you out with is this NO its not ok to just use prop twice a week you should pin it every other day and your not gonna like doing that your first cycle trust me on that plus even the best prop is still gonna hurt in the morning so to speak bottom line prop just hurts bro. First cycle use Enth or Cyp. It will save you a lot of cash and pain. For a 12-16 week cycle your gonna need a lot of prop if thats what your running so go with a long ester. I also heard from a really smart guy some good things about test phenylprop its probably a good choice too but I've yet to personally run it.

 

[FMJ]

So are their pins that I would need to buy for both the Prop and then for the HCG? Can you recommend sizes and how many for the above cycle?

I agree with Jcar. Make your first cycle easier on yourself and go with a longer ester. Pins don't come with gear so you'll have to plan for that expense, though small in comparison. You'll first need syringes. Something like 3ml are fine. You'll need two pins per syringe. One to draw with and one to inject with. I use an 1.5 inch 18 gauge to draw and then switch (tips screw off) to a 1.5 inch 23 gauge to inject but that depends on where your pinning. If in the delt, you have to use a smaller length. I think folks recommend a 1 inch for delts. For thigh and glutes, 1.5 inch is best.
For HCG you'll want to use the a standard insuline syringe. No need to go intra-muscular with this one. Find something like a 5/16th 30g syring for that and you'll be good to go.

 

[Tyler3295]

I use 1" in my quads. Burrying a full 1.5" in the quad sounds painful, lol.

 

[FMJ]

I use 1" in my quads. Burrying a full 1.5" in the quad sounds painful, lol.

True.. anything in the quads is painful IMO. I think this also depends on quad size. I've used a 1.5 in the quad and didn't have a problem, aside from it hurting like hell. I only pin glutes now so 1.5 is all I need.

 

[jcar1016]

Man up pussies I use a 8gauge 7cc 4" pin for my quads

 

[Supermans Daddy]

Man up pussies I use a 8gauge 7cc 4" pin for my quads

I think many may refer to that as gett'n shanked

Peace and Love

 

[jcar1016]

What its called the Weldingman protocol. After you pin with the harpoon you smak somebody and say go make me a sandwich bitch I'm hungry. It works too I'm huge now

 

[FMJ]

Man up pussies I use a 8gauge 7cc 4" pin for my quads

8 gauge.. 4 inch?!? whew.. now THAT's a quad!
I think SuperD's right.. that is shanked!

 

[theCaptn']

I use 1" in my quads. Burrying a full 1.5" in the quad sounds painful, lol.

1.2" for delts, glutes and quads - bury that MFer every time

 

[aja44]

Thanks for all the info on the pins. And I will look into the Phenylprop Jcar suggested, but I will plan the cycle around Cyp instead. I found the Aromasin on NapsGear website, but it only seems to come in 25mg pills. Does anyone know where I can get this in 10mg pills? I know there are other names for his, but this is what was recommended in the Sticky.

 

[Roaddkingg]

Since you are new to pinning definetly go with what jcar & FMJ are saying. Stay with test-E or cyp. Theres no need for you to up your dose through the cycle especially since it's your first. I'd imagine you would get great results with say 500mgs per week with those compounds. Ideally two pins per week would be optimal but you could get away with once per week pin to make it easier for yourself the first go around. Have you considered a light dose of a oral for a front kicker? You may find that gratifying and it will show immediate results that I bet you would enjoy. Arimadex is a lot cheaper than aromasin but most say aromasin is the best because it has less negative effect on your lipid panels. I use adex and it works fine for me. If your cycle is light(which I reccomend) adex could be ran at .5mgs per day. I use .5 EOD and it works fine. Continue to study and make sure you have EVERYTHING on hand and know how to use everything before you start. Have your diet in check and you have plenty of time before this fall to learn all you need. Fitday.com is pretty neat and you can type in all your food and supps to help give you a idea on your present diet and how you can improve it between now and then.We are all here to help, post more questions as you learn.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

Thanks for all the info on the pins. And I will look into the Phenylprop Jcar suggested, but I will plan the cycle around Cyp instead. I found the Aromasin on NapsGear website, but it only seems to come in 25mg pills. Does anyone know where I can get this in 10mg pills? I know there are other names for his, but this is what was recommended in the Sticky.

Homey, Bless'n just rained on you. These homeys just took you to PHD on first cycle and pinn'n. I'ma add my lil bit and say ,the Test Phenylprop (TPP ) is an excellent compound and perhaps just a perfect option to Cyp/En for a first timer, it could be the perfect compound because it will allow you a 2 shot a week protocol with all the advantages of shorter ester such as prop, but the pin'n and even plasma levels that can be rather easy to attain with a longer ester such as Cyp/En.

Best of Luck, enjoy yourself,be safe

Peace and Love

 

[aja44]

RoadKing - Thanks for the info. What do you recommend for an oral kicker to get things started. I am in the process of running 1-Andro cycle now, but when you take into account the 1-Andro, Anabolic Matrix, and the 6-Trione it comes to more than 3/4 of what a full cycle will cost. I have a journal I'm running on the forum called "My Journal" which I have been updating since I started that cycle. I have my diet now in order and have used FitDay to do so.

I also have no fear of pinning myself, I figure my delts and ass would be best. If Aromasin is the best, then I would prefer to stick with that as long as the cost is not substantial.

SD - Are you recommending Test Phenylprop (TPP) along with a 10 week cycle of Cyp or in place of? I wanted to go with the Prop since its a shorter ester, but everyone recommends Cyp for a first cycle.

 

[Roaddkingg]

Front kicker

I would reccomend d-bol but then it depends greatly on who's d-bol you get. This last cycle I used metanabol by jelfa and I can tell you that shit is strong and I got fantastic results with a light dose. I cant tell you who it came from because it's not one of our sponsors but if you can find it it's exellant. Do your oral kicker for 4-6 weeks and remember it aromatises fast. ai's will be needed but you will be doing it anyway with your cyp if thats what you choose. I put on 18lbs in the first two weeks with the metanabol. Strength went way up, agression in the gym was great and I felt wonderful on that stuff.

 

[aja44]

Is it worth paying the extra money for British Dragon Cyp than GP Cyp?

 

[aja44]

One additional question for the experts. I based my first cycle off the sticky's and went with what was recommended. But I would like to know a recommendation for something oral to take the place of the HCG. I am not comfortable leaving it in the fridge with 3 kids around. I would prefer something that either does not have to be kept cool or an oral.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

SD - Are you recommending Test Phenylprop (TPP) along with a 10 week cycle of Cyp or in place of? I wanted to go with the Prop since its a shorter ester, but everyone recommends Cyp for a first cycle.

Damn I'm always preach'n bout bout "half life and active life " but it's so important that I'ma keep on preach'n. First I'm speak'n of TPP as a substitute for Prop. HOWEVER due to the flexibility of the TPP ester, you could use it in some situations as a CYP replacement as well . Prop is short ( not the shortest) with little water retention. Cyp/En are longer ( not the longest) and come with water retention. Test Phenylprop ( TPP ) is bout middle of those two esters in terms of half life. Which mean Plasma levels easier to control with fewer shots needed as well as same water rentention as Prop AND the injects feel like Cyp......painless. You can have the best of both worlds with TPP.Because of TPP I'm start'n to see Prop as useful for a lot of other things as well as Test Acetate .Man I love esters ! LOL But what do I know

Peace and Love

 

[aja44]

SD - Thanks for the info. I found the Phenylprop on one of the sites and it was only sold in 100mg/ml as opposed to the Cyp at 200 or 250mg/ml. The info on the TPP said to inject every other day. Not interested in pinning every other day at this time. I was planning on doing 500/800/1000mg per week at 2 shots per week with the Cyp. Unless I'm not understanding the conversions right, that would be a lot of TPP per shot 2 times per week to get to the numbers recommended for Cyp.

Also, is there anything else you have used in place of HCG during cycle? I posted a reply earlier but got no response to it.

Roadking - thanks for the recommendation on a kicker. As you recommended, I will stick to using sponsors so do you recommend anything else in place of the metanabol?

As far as pinning goes, with this cycle is it ok to shoot in my delts and ass? Do I alternate cheeks and sides with every shot or do I do half a shot in one cheek and then the remaining in the 2nd every shot?

 

[Roaddkingg]

Always alternate sites. And on the d-bol make sure you get quality. As for the HCG I dont believe I know of any oral substitute. Real HCG is your best choice.

 

[VictorZ06]

But what do I know

A great deal!


/V

 

[FMJ]

Do I alternate cheeks and sides with every shot or do I do half a shot in one cheek and then the remaining in the 2nd every shot?

Never remove and then re-inject with the same syringe. You risk infection and an Intermuscular infection is no joke! An abscess that deep always requires a surgical procedure to treat and leaves a nasty scar, both physically and mentally!

 

[aja44]

Never remove and then re-inject with the same syringe. You risk infection and an Intermuscular infection is no joke! An abscess that deep always requires a surgical procedure to treat and leaves a nasty scar, both physically and mentally!

Thanks for the tip FMJ. So for example, should I pin my right delt on Monday with the full 250mg and then pin my left delt on Thursday with another 250mg and then the following week I would move to my ass and do the same? Or should I use 2 pins and do both delts on Monday and then do both cheeks on Thursday and so forth.

 

[FMJ]

Thanks for the tip FMJ. So for example, should I pin my right delt on Monday with the full 250mg and then pin my left delt on Thursday with another 250mg and then the following week I would move to my ass and do the same? Or should I use 2 pins and do both delts on Monday and then do both cheeks on Thursday and so forth.

You'll be fine putting in 250mg in one injection. Do a delt on one day, and then the other delt or glutes on the next day and so on. I think 3ml was the max recommended per injection so as long as you don't exceed that you'll be okay. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that. You're well within limits though.. Depending on your gear, either 200 or 250 per ml would still only be 1-1.25 ml per injection. Even if you were doing a gram a week, split into two injections, you're looking at 2-2.5ml per injection. I dunno if that much is okay for delts though.. someone else will have to chime in.. glutes I'm sure you're fine.