Every day cardio

[shortstuff]

how so please explain for my knowledge?

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Kimbro11
Prince, what do you consider the difference between the two?

The difference is a marathon runner has little muscle, thier muscle fiber make-up will be predominently red slow twitch. A bodybuilder will be muscluar with their mucle fiber type being predominently white fast twitch.

Is it all a matter of how much lifting and cardio you do?

Yes, as well as your diet.

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Personally, I don't think ANY cardio is necessary based on your physique goals.

I don't think you receive and "health" benefits or fatloss that you cannot derive from resistance training alone.

I also disagree with Hardasnails about the comment regarding cardio not being catabolic. Of course it is. As is resistance training. As is a failure to meet nutritional requirements. So I don't really understand that statement. Nor do I understand why it would be important or helpful to increase food intake to offset the cardio, why not just skip it then.

Cardio, in my opinion, has TWO uses:

1) If you are training for any endurance purpose.

2) If you have been dieting extensively, and you further need to increase your daily/weekly calorie deficit, and your calorie level is at its bare mininum.


You can add pleasure, if that is your thing, its not mine.

Even though I do cardio a few times a week (which is mostly for pleasure these days) I agree. And for those that say you need it for cardiovascular purposes, TRY SUPERSETTING!!

I can do supersets or trisets and get my heart racing just as fast a if I was running.

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by hardasnails1973
just saying you have 2 options either eat more and do more cardio or eat less and cut back on cardio.

That makes more sense to me.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by hardasnails1973
just saying you have 2 options either eat more and do more cardio or eat less and cut back on cardio. CArdio does have its place it the over all fitness goals. I prefer to moderate it and not go over board. 3 times a week is sufficient for me and I like to vary things so your body doesn't adjust. Just like some things in life and more is not always better. SO I am in agreement with you there and I do believe people should examine their eating habits and daily activity levels and adjust accordingly.

Fred Hatfield would argue this. He never did cardio in his entire life, only weight lifting/power lifting, when he had his heart tested (stroke voume,etc.) it was just as 'strong' as any "endurance athlete", e.g. marathon runner.

 

[shortstuff]

what about those who do not have the BMR to do this, if I did not do cardio, no matter how clean I eat or train, i do not shed fat...

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by shortstuff
how so please explain for my knowledge?

To what are you referring?

 

[Arnold]

people: start quoting cause I cannot tell who is responding to who here....

 

[Twin Peak]

My heart rate is 55 beats per minute. Blood Pressure is typically 120/70.

I never do cardio.

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Prince
The difference is a marathon runner has little muscle, thier muscle fiber make-up will be predominently red slow twitch. A bodybuilder will be muscluar with their mucle fiber type being predominently white fast twitch.

Prince, Im sorry if I seem ignorant, but I dont know what you mean by this..

 

[shortstuff]

ok please explain then how cardio is not catabolic.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Kimbro11
Prince, Im sorry if I seem ignorant, but I dont know what you mean by this..

From an article I wrote:

Within skeletal muscle there are three types of muscle fibers: Type I, Type IIa and Type IIb. Everyone has their own unique distribution of these fibers, some people are predominately Type I, and some Type IIa, however the ???average person??? has an even amount of red and white fiber. Type I muscle fiber often referred to as slow-twitch or red fiber and is highly resistant to fatigue and has a high oxidative capacity, This muscle fiber is responsible for aerobic exercises and activities, such as running. Type IIa muscle fiber often referred to as fast-twitch or white fiber is an intermediate fiber and they???re larger in size and much stronger than Type I fibers. Type IIb muscle fiber, which are also fast twitch & white fiber, are capable of producing more force than Type IIa, but they???re low in oxidative capacity, and fatigue very quickly. Fast twitch fibers have thicker nerves that give them an increased contractile impulse, which is measured by the number of twitches per second, hence the name fast twitch fiber. Slow twitch fibers have smaller nerves, thereby twitch much slower, however they have a higher number of mitochondria, which increases their oxidative capacity. Mitochondria are the cells in a muscle that synthesize ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate), often referred to as the cell???s ???powerhouse???.

http://www.ironmagazine.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=44

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Twin Peak

So for you I would recommend a health balance of the two, so long as you are continuing to enjoy it.

If you preferred lifting weights, or if your main goal was hypertrophy, I'd suggest you stop, or severly limit your cardio, since, as I said, every healthy and physique benefit that results from cardio can be more efficiently derived from weight training. The converse, however, is not true.

Thanks.

What do you mean by hypertrophy by the way?

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Jodi
Even though I do cardio a few times a week (which is mostly for pleasure these days) I agree. And for those that say you need it for cardiovascular purposes, TRY SUPERSETTING!!

I can do supersets or trisets and get my heart racing just as fast a if I was running.

What are youre goals? Are you a body builder as well?

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by Kimbro11
What are youre goals? Are you a body builder as well?

No I'm not really a bodybuilder. Yes I build muscle but not to compete or get huge. I'm just an athlete trying to stay lean and fit and look good

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by shortstuff
what about those who do not have the BMR to do this, if I did not do cardio, no matter how clean I eat or train, i do not shed fat...

Wont HIT cardio be just as effective as weight lifting?

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Prince
From an article I wrote:


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http://www.ironmagazine.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=44

Thanx for this Prince. All this information was over my head for a second! lol

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Jodi
No I'm not really a bodybuilder. Yes I build muscle but not to compete or get huge. I'm just an athlete trying to stay lean and fit and look good

Thats great What do you do for cardio?

 

[shortstuff]

I am so getting over my head here, I am outa here, will watch you around Kim Good Luck

 

[Twin Peak]

Hypertrophy = muscular growth.

 

[Jodi]

I either ride my bike or I take spinning class. In the past 2 months I have refused to do any other cardio because I hate those stupid treadmills and ellipticals.

And yes, I'm getting leaner and its only 3 times per week. If I ride my bike more than that then its a slow easy paced enjoyment ride

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by shortstuff
ok please explain then how cardio is not catabolic.

It is.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Not every ones goal is to be bodybuilder or a powerlifter. Peoples objectives vary and I am prime example of that if you eat maintence caloires you can not do cardio and still get lean. Now it comes down to the arguement "calories in vs caloires burned" or if you supply or body with the right nutrient at the right time we could offset some of the catabolsim associte with doing cardio ex BCAAS or glutemine and replenhing your glycogen levels after work outs but this would cause and insulin spike halting the fat burning effect for several hours. I am a strong believer in the beverly principles and all of my clients do follow them and have gotten nothing but positive results. It is just that some people as Short stuff mentioned are just gentically predisposed and have to do cardio other words they will balloon up. I'm just gifted that i don;t have to do it as often. plus i do it for another reason my frame was never designed to hold this much muscle mass so as I gain weight my heart has to adapt as well to sustain it. I'm about 20-25 lbs over my genetic potential and I know i'm pushing the envelope.

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by shortstuff
I am so getting over my head here, I am outa here, will watch you around Kim Good Luck

Thanx Shortstuff

 

[Kimbro11]

Originally posted by Jodi
I either ride my bike or I take spinning class. In the past 2 months I have refused to do any other cardio because I hate those stupid treadmills and ellipticals.

And yes, I'm getting leaner and its only 3 times per week. If I ride my bike more than that then its a slow easy paced enjoyment ride

Thats great.. My trainer is trying to get me to try spinning, but Im scared lol

 

[Kimbro11]

Thanks Twin Peak - I thought that was what Hypertrophy meant.

Originally posted by hardasnails1973
It is just that some people as Short stuff mentioned are just gentically predisposed and have to do cardio other words they will balloon up.

Hardasnails,
Just curious, do you think the ballooning up is due to metabolism? Or just the way the body is structured to be?

 

[hardasnails1973]

I believe people have a natural set point and the body is always fighting to get back to that point. But I also do beleive that through proper eating and caloirc expenditure people can keep the body from going back. Eventually over time they they may be even to reset their body to a new set point. What is your opinon on these twin peaks ?

 

[Kimbro11]

The reason is because I find that if I eat a lot of pasta, I bloat. Sometimes for days. But when I run, it goes back to normal again.

 

[aggies1ut]

Hey Kim, like you, I also do a lot of cardio. What part of San Diego are you in? I'm moving to downtown in a few days and need to find a good gym to join. Any suggestions?

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by hardasnails1973
I believe people have a natural set point and the body is always fighting to get back to that point. But I also do beleive that through proper eating and caloirc expenditure people can keep the body from going back. Eventually over time they they may be even to reset their body to a new set point. What is your opinon on these twin peaks ?

I agree. We all have genetic set points, both for bodyfat, and muscle mass.

Set points can and do change over time, usually for the negative, as hormone levels decrease, and as, over time, we fuck up or body through poor food selection.

Supplementation, along with diet and exercise can be used to shift your set points back in the positive direction, but typically this is transient.

Fish oil is a good means to decrease ones bodyfat set point.

This is also what Leptigen is all about (tricking your body into thinking its set point is lower).

However, most of the time, those of us in shape are not where our body wants us to be. Your body has its evolutionary reasons, however, evolution is slow, and we have far surpassed it. Thus, in essence, we are battling nature.