Extremely chilling story(news)

[juggernaut]

I see now.

For an 80 to be still interested in sex is bit of an accomplishment.

come on...I expected tasteless humor from me, not you. Thats not even funny.

 

[Plateau_Max]

Oh like hell.....

Prisons are so over-crowded now it's crazy to think extending sentences and labor-loads would do any real good. Just look how well this rationale is working today!?!

Ironically, the same people (like yourself) who demand we put an end to capital punishment are the same people lobbying for prisoner's rights for better accommodations and "rehabilitation programs".

I say a 5-cent bullet to the back of the head cuts straight to the point and is a helluva lot cheaper.

Wrong. Most prisons don't require hard labor at all. Most of the prisons that require labor it's just for in-prison things like doing everyone's laundry or some crap. You can hire a guy for $8 an hour to do laundry. I don't want prisoners to have rehabilitation programs unless they're due to get out of prison very soon, like 1-5 years or something. If you have a really long prison sentence or life in prison I say you should live in SHITTY cramped horrible living conditions.

Hard Labor prisons like Leavenworth require around 10-12 hours hard labor per day with time to sit and eat meals. I'm thinking EVERY SINGLE PRISON should have to do some form of hard labor that actually produces a product which can be sold to the public for capital gains and the prisoners should be working 14-16 hours per day 7 days a week with no exceptions and eating MREs or something that they only need 10 minutes to eat so they can get their criminal asses back to work.

I think killing somone because they killed someone else is a retarded idea. If one kid punches another kid, and that kid punches him back, you're only left with two angry kids with bruises, no solutions, no progress, NOTHING. Also forgiveness is something everyone needs to work on. I can forgive a theif for robbing me (doesn't mean I want him anywhere near my house again of course). Mostly because I feel that if you can't forgive someone for doing wrong by you, you don't deserve to be forgiven for something wrong you did to someone else.

 

[min0 lee]

come on...I expected tasteless humor from me, not you. Thats not even funny.

You don't know me too well.

 

[DOMS]

Hard Labor prisons like Leavenworth require around 10-12 hours hard labor per day with time to sit and eat meals. I'm thinking EVERY SINGLE PRISON should have to do some form of hard labor that actually produces a product which can be sold to the public for capital gains and the prisoners should be working 14-16 hours per day 7 days a week with no exceptions and eating MREs or something that they only need 10 minutes to eat so they can get their criminal asses back to work.

You might like Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona. He uses his inmates to do labor on behalf of the state. And he feeds them as cheaply as possible (think, green bologna).

I think killing somone because they killed someone else is a retarded idea. If one kid punches another kid, and that kid punches him back, you're only left with two angry kids with bruises, no solutions, no progress, NOTHING. Also forgiveness is something everyone needs to work on. I can forgive a theif for robbing me (doesn't mean I want him anywhere near my house again of course). Mostly because I feel that if you can't forgive someone for doing wrong by you, you don't deserve to be forgiven for something wrong you did to someone else.

You're comparing punching to killing? And you call capital punishment retarded?

There's a reason that murders have been executed (and quite often, still are), is two fold. First, people that have killed often find it easier to kill again. Second, it takes a very messed up person to actually commit wanton murder. Wantonly killing a fellow human being requires the wrenching free of social mores in order to be able to this. It's simply not a casual task.

In simple terms, a person that has killed once is a real, continued, threat to society.

Not only that, but justice is about making the punishment fit the crime. But you don't seem to think so. It's because of people like you that a man can kill his 8 month old girlfriend's daughter, by beating her against a wall, and only be sentenced to 10 years in jail.

 

[Plateau_Max]

Nah, I'd have thrown away the key on that guy too, and tossed him in the pit with the rest of the laborers for the rest of his natural life.

You are making too many assumptions on me. Also, it's not retarded to compare a situation using metaphors, which is what I was doing with the punching kid story.

The fact that it's easier to kill after you've done it once already? Yeah all the more reason to hold them indefinitely, being forced to contribute to society unwillingly for the rest of his/her life and never endangering any of us ever again.

 

[DOMS]

You are making too many assumptions on me. Also, it's not retarded to compare a situation using metaphors, which is what I was doing with the punching kid story.

You used a metaphor of punching in contrast to killing. A very poor choice.

The fact that it's easier to kill after you've done it once already? Yeah all the more reason to hold them indefinitely, being forced to contribute to society unwillingly for the rest of his/her life and never endangering any of us ever again.

Do you really think that the cost of housing an image minus the servitude comes out as a profit for the state?

So a guy rapes and murders a 5 year old girl and get sentenced to life in jail. From that point on, my money, your money, and pretty much every other American, gets to pay for his keep.

He fucks a little girl while she's crying and screaming for her mommy. The last thing she sees, and gets to experience, is the guy cutting her into small pieces. And, in return, he get three hots and a cot for the rest of his life.

Oh yeah, that sounds like justice alright...

 

[DOMS]

I'd be so very fucking happy to pass a law that, every time a repeat offender kills or rapes someone, one bleeding heart liberal who cries for the rights of the criminal over that of the victim, gets to share in that person's sentence.

I pay good fucking money for that.

 

[Plateau_Max]

See now you're lumping in a political stereotype with your need for murderous retribution. And how is my metaphor a poor choice? It's a damn metaphor do you even know what that means?

Also, my way of thinking is the criminals aren't given three hots and a cot, I'm thinking their lunch is a 50 cent turkey sandwich with no plate that he gets to eat during the 10 minute break he gets from doing his construction job that would normally pay someone $20-30 per hour. A cot? Try a few pieces of cardboard. Someone wants to cry about them sleeping on cardboard tell them to help the homeless who sleep on cardboard first, and after every single homeless person has a job and better living conditions THEN we can help the prisoners.

 

[DOMS]

See now you're lumping in a political stereotype with your need for murderous retribution.

What you mistakenly call "murderous retribution" is called justice.

I'd really love to see what how you'd act, and hear what you'd say, after your daughter (or wife) gets brutally raped and murdered. For people like you, it's always about abstracts and "somebody else."

And how is my metaphor a poor choice? It's a damn metaphor do you even know what that means?

Yes, I know the metaphor. I've seen it used numerous times. the problem is that you used a metaphor of light violence in relation to a very real, and violent, act.

Also, my way of thinking is the criminals aren't given three hots and a cot, I'm thinking their lunch is a 50 cent turkey sandwich with no plate that he gets to eat during the 10 minute break he gets from doing his construction job that would normally pay someone $20-30 per hour. A cot? Try a few pieces of cardboard. Someone wants to cry about them sleeping on cardboard tell them to help the homeless who sleep on cardboard first, and after every single homeless person has a job and better living conditions THEN we can help the prisoners.

The problem is that they're still a burden on society and justice hasn't been met.

 

[Jodi]

You might like Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona. He uses his inmates to do labor on behalf of the state. And he feeds them as cheaply as possible (think, green bologna).

I like him I think his pink underwear for all the inmates was funny as hell.

 

[DOMS]

I like him I think his pink underwear for all the inmates was funny as hell.

Me too!

I really like how practical he is. I enjoyed the big brouhaha when he fed the inmates ostrich because a farmer (that was going out of business) gave him the meat for free.

They didn't like the idea that he was feeding the inmates a quality meat. He only cared that it was free.

 

[Jodi]

Me too!

I really like how practical he is. I enjoyed the big brouhaha when he fed the inmates ostrich because a farmer (that was going out of business) gave him the meat for free.

They didn't like the idea that he was feeding the inmates a quality meat. He only cared that it was free.

What's he down to 47 cents per day to feed each inmate? They are allowed 2 meals a day only.

Bring back the black and white's was another good one too. Didn't he restart the chain gang as well?

 

[DOMS]

What's he down to 47 cents per day to feed each inmate? They are allowed 2 meals a day only.

Bring back the black and white's was another good one too. Didn't he restart the chain gang as well?

Yes he did. A lot of people got upset and said that it was cruel to the inmates. I think his reply was "So?"

I also like the tents that he houses them in.

I watched a new report where they interviewed the inmates about being in jail under Sheriff Joe. One guy said "I ain't never going to jail in Arizona again!"

 

[BoneCrusher]

See now you're lumping in a political stereotype with your need for murderous retribution. And how is my metaphor a poor choice? It's a damn metaphor do you even know what that means?

Also, my way of thinking is the criminals aren't given three hots and a cot, I'm thinking their lunch is a 50 cent turkey sandwich with no plate that he gets to eat during the 10 minute break he gets from doing his construction job that would normally pay someone $20-30 per hour. A cot? Try a few pieces of cardboard. Someone wants to cry about them sleeping on cardboard tell them to help the homeless who sleep on cardboard first, and after every single homeless person has a job and better living conditions THEN we can help the prisoners.

Not tryin' to bag on ya but our prison systems are pretty plush all things considered. Prison life is not the hard time it's portrayed to be in the movies. It can be if the inmate is a dufas or a trouble-maker, but mostly not so much. After a person settles in and resigns to the reality of it all a kinda rhythm sets in. Work, eat, socialize, play handball and workout, visitation, and read/study. For you to operate under the assumption that prison life is some kind of harsh existence is to operate under an illusion. Prison sux no doubt, but hard time? One out of a thousand inmates does hard time and normally they bring it on them selves. Before you go there, no ~ being convicted of this kind of crime will not bring on that hard time you describe. Vicious offenders go into general population and do the same time as the guy who wrote too many hot checks.

There is no comparative justice for the victims in sentencing their victimizers with these kinds of crimes to today's prison systems. Building up some kind of harsh prison existence for them in your mind only allows you to live with the illusion that it will be a proper justice. It's an easy life. Work a few hours a day at an easy job, read, eat commissary, call home when ever you want, play cards or chess or dominoes, sleep as much as you want, and socialize with your homies . How does that = justice for the victims? It wouldn't for me.

Revising our sentencing process to exclude anything but forensic proof as grounds for the death penalty would make the wrongly convicted getting executed a thing of the past. The harshness of that may grate against your soul in a way that makes it seem inhumane and beyond our right to impose, but we're talking about the worst our species has to offer. This subgroup of subhumans gave up their right to be treated in a humane way when they stopped respecting the rights of all of us. Something has to be done.

 

[Little Wing]

reality is a lot of guys sit in prison playing video games. some prisons let them play 24/7.

 

[Plateau_Max]

Not tryin' to bag on ya but our prison systems are pretty plush all things considered. Prison life is not the hard time it's portrayed to be in the movies. It can be if the inmate is a dufas or a trouble-maker, but mostly not so much. After a person settles in and resigns to the reality of it all a kinda rhythm sets in. Work, eat, socialize, play handball and workout, visitation, and read/study. For you to operate under the assumption that prison life is some kind of harsh existence is to operate under an illusion. Prison sux no doubt, but hard time? One out of a thousand inmates does hard time and normally they bring it on them selves.

There is no comparative justice for the victims in sentencing their victimizers with these kinds of crimes to today's prison systems. Building up some kind of harsh prison existence for them in your mind only allows you to live with the illusion that it will be a proper justice. It's an easy life. Work a few hours a day at an easy job, read, eat commissary, call home when ever you want, play cards or chess or dominoes, sleep as much as you want, and socialize with your homies . How does that = justice for the victims? It wouldn't for me.

Revising our sentencing process to exclude anything but forensic proof as grounds for the death penalty would make the wrongly convicted getting executed a thing of the past. The harshness of that may grate against your soul in a way that makes it seem inhumane and beyond our right to impose, but we're talking about the worst our species has to offer. This subgroup of subhumans gave up their right to be treated in a humane way when they stopped respecting the rights of all of us. Something has to be done.

I am COMPLETELY in agreeance about our prisons. What I'm saying is instead of the death penalty we need to take our prisons and remove all the plush care and turn them into a seriously harsh reality. Take the cots and beds out and replace them with cardboard. Take out the sitting around reading time and replace it with hard labor. Take out the sitting at a table with your friends eating a hot meal and replace it with stepping away from your job for 10 minutes to eat your cold lunchmeat sandwich made from stuff that's about to expire that the grocery stores give the prison for free instead of throwing away. Take out the gyms, weight rooms, replace with more shops for more labor.

As I said before even places revered as tough slams like leavenworth only have you working 10-12 hours a day. I'm thinking 16. I've worked 16 hour days in the Air Force over in the middle east with only 1 day off a week... the idea of doing that 7 days a week for the next 50-70 years would make me contemplate suicide... believe me there are things much worse than a quick death that are more economical.

And quit cramming this "if it was you" bullshit down my throat. Like I said before, if it was me in that situation I would not be thinking rationally... so I shouldn't be the one making the call. If my family was murdered of course I would be quick to say throw the switch on the electric chair, so to make a rational logical decision you need someone with their head on straight to analyze the situation and make the best call.

Oh, and DOMS what you mistakenly call justice, is murderous retribution.

 

[DOMS]

And quit cramming this "if it was you" bullshit down my throat. Like I said before, if it was me in that situation I would not be thinking rationally... so I shouldn't be the one making the call. If my family was murdered of course I would be quick to say throw the switch on the electric chair, so to make a rational logical decision you need someone with their head on straight to analyze the situation and make the best call.

I hope that one day, you truly get to feel the sting of what you consider to be justice. I hope that you can feel the impotence of sitting there while the courts slap some guy on wrist with 20 years as you cry in the stands.

But you'd be okay with that.

Oh, and DOMS what you mistakenly call justice, is murderous retribution.

So witty...

 

[BoneCrusher]

I am COMPLETELY in agreeance about our prisons. What I'm saying is instead of the death penalty we need to take our prisons and remove all the plush care and turn them into a seriously harsh reality. Take the cots and beds out and replace them with cardboard. Take out the sitting around reading time and replace it with hard labor. Take out the sitting at a table with your friends eating a hot meal and replace it with stepping away from your job for 10 minutes to eat your cold lunchmeat sandwich made from stuff that's about to expire that the grocery stores give the prison for free instead of throwing away. Take out the gyms, weight rooms, replace with more shops for more labor.

As I said before even places revered as tough slams like leavenworth only have you working 10-12 hours a day. I'm thinking 16. I've worked 16 hour days in the Air Force over in the middle east with only 1 day off a week... the idea of doing that 7 days a week for the next 50-70 years would make me contemplate suicide... believe me there are things much worse than a quick death that are more economical.

And quit cramming this "if it was you" bullshit down my throat. Like I said before, if it was me in that situation I would not be thinking rationally... so I shouldn't be the one making the call. If my family was murdered of course I would be quick to say throw the switch on the electric chair, so to make a rational logical decision you need someone with their head on straight to analyze the situation and make the best call.

Oh, and DOMS what you mistakenly call justice, is murderous retribution.

I'm beyond that "if it was you" bullshit since you don't have it in you. My point is that you have a right to your perspective but it needs to based in reality, not in the system you envision. In this world and in this instance there will be no comparative justice given through a prison sentence.

You may feel it would be justice just to lock them up, but so far most everybody else in this thread doesn't. That is a democracy. Majority rule. If the freaks of nature that did this were tried by an IM populated jury then it would by lights out in a harsh way. I'm thinking death by decapitation with a smith machine

 

[Burner02]

I'm gonna 'ride the fence' on this one...I lean towards what BC is saying...but I also see what PM is saying.
I am tired of my hard earned paychecks being spent on new prisons...I say: tent cities. If a tent is good enough for our volounteer men and women in the military...by gawd they are good enough for scum of the earth.
Hard time. I like that.
Put these new tent cities in inhospitable areas: swamp, desert....etc. Creature comforts: toilet paper, shower once a week.
Now...at time of sentancing...let the judge give the convicted two options. (which is more than their victims had)
1) life sentance in said tent city
2) death by lethal injection. No appeal.

That sounds fair. I'll vote for it.

 

[Burner02]

I'm thinking death by decapitation with a smith machine

wow...there's actually a use for that thing now?????

 

[largepkg]

This shithole is 5 miles from my office!

Gang rape of mother, son throws a spotlight on West Palm housing project

By BRIAN SKOLOFF & JENNIFER KAY
Sun-Sentinel.com
Posted July 10 2007, 2:46 PM EDT

WEST PALM BEACH -- Mother and son huddled together, battered and beaten, in the bathroom -- sobbing, wondering why no one came to help.Surely the neighbors had heard their screams. The walls are thin, the screen doors flimsy in this violence-plagued housing project on the edge of downtown.
For three hours, the pair say, they endured sheer terror as the 35-year-old Haitian immigrant was raped and sodomized by up to 10 masked teenagers and her 12-year-old son was beaten in another room.Then, mother and son were reunited to endure the unspeakable: At gunpoint, the woman was forced to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.Afterward, they were doused with household cleansers, perhaps in a haphazard attempt to scrub the crime scene, or maybe simply to torture the victims even more. The solutions burned the boy's eyes.The thugs then fled, taking with them a couple of hundred dollars' worth of cash, jewelry and cell phones.In the interview with WPTV, the mother described how she and her son sobbed in the bathroom, too shocked to move.Then, in the dark of night, they walked a mile to the hospital because they had no phone to call for help.Two teenagers -- a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old -- have been arrested. Eight others are being sought.Welcome to Dunbar Village, a place residents call hell.****************``So a lady was raped. Big deal,'' resident Paticiea Matlock said with disgust. ``There's too much other crime happening here.''Built in 1940 to house poor blacks in then-segregated West Palm Beach, Dunbar Village's 226 units sit just blocks from million-dollar condos on the Intracoastal Waterway. Billionaires lounge on beachfront property just a few miles away on Palm Beach.The public housing project's one- and two-story barracks-style buildings are spread across 17 grassy, tree-lined acres surrounded by an 8-foot iron fence. The average rent is about $150 a month.Almost 60 percent of the households in the area that includes Dunbar Village were below the poverty level in 2000, according to Census figures. Only 19 percent of the area's residents had high school degrees. About 9 percent of the adults were unemployed, nearly triple the state average.Teenagers with gold-plated teeth wander the streets. Drug dealers hang out on nearby sidewalks. Trash bin lids are open. Flies hover over dirty diapers. Clothes dry on sagging lines.In the year leading up to the rape, police were called to Dunbar Village 717 times, or almost twice a day.Since the June 18 attack, police have increased patrols in the area, blocked off one entrance and will soon install surveillance cameras.``It took this to make that happen?'' Matlock, a 32-year-old single mother of three, snarled.As in other blighted neighborhoods across the country where criminals seem to have free rein, residents here live in fear. Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.

``I try to be in my house no later than 7, and I don't come out,'' said Citoya Greenwood, 33, who lives in Dunbar with her 4-year-old daughter. ``I don't even answer my door anymore.'' On the Fourth of July, ``we didn't know if we was hearing gunshots or fireworks.''

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Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, will be charged as adults in the assault and gang rape, prosecutors said. They are jailed without bail.

Lawson's DNA was found in a condom at the crime scene, and he admitted involvement, authorities say. Police say Walker's palm print was discovered inside the home. He denies being there. His attorney says he will plead not guilty. Lawson's public defender did not return telephone messages.

Walker and Lawson did not live at Dunbar but visited often. Lawson stayed with his grandmother there. Walker came to hang out and play basketball. Dunbar has become the place to be for wayward black teens, residents and neighborhood kids say.

Walker and Lawson both grew up mostly fatherless, bouncing between homes. Walker's family sometimes lived in old cars or abandoned houses, said his mother, Ruby Nell Walker.

``We've never really had a real home,'' said Naporcha Walker, Nathan's 15-year-old sister.

He dropped out of school after spending three years in seventh grade. The family lives on food stamps and recently had to pawn their television and radio, Ruby Walker said.

``I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist,'' she said.

Ruby Walker said she herself was raped twice, at ages 7 and 12. She said that just days before the Dunbar attack, someone tried to rape her again, and ``my son came to me crying and said he wouldn't ever do that to anyone.''

She has had her own problems with the law _ at least nine arrests on charges such as disorderly conduct, aggravated assault and battery, according to state records.

Avion Lawson was a headstrong kid, never listening to his mother, said his cousin, Cassandra Ellis.

``I knew he was bad, but I never pictured him to be that type of bad,'' Ellis said. She said one traumatic experience may have scarred him _ watching his older sister fatally stab a boyfriend.

``It was an accident. She killed her boyfriend. They was fighting, there was a knife,'' Ellis said. ``He was there when it happened.''

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City officials are quick to note that neither Lawson nor Walker lived at Dunbar, and say they are doing their best to make the place safe.

As quickly as overhead lights can be replaced, they are shot out, so officials are now considering bulletproof lighting.

``Isn't that quite a commentary on what the situation is there?'' said City Commissioner Molly Douglas, whose district includes part of Dunbar. ``Dunbar Village is a hell hole. They shouldn't have to live in fear.''

More officers are hitting the streets, but ``I just bow my head sometimes and think we just couldn't possibly have enough officers ever to take care of all of this,'' Douglas said.

Laurel Robinson, head of the city's housing authority, said that up until about four years ago, the federal government provided the city with $160,000 a year for security in public housing projects, but Congress did away with the money. ``Every family housing project in the country has suffered because of it,'' she said.

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The rape victim and her son have not returned to Building 1843, Unit 2, since the attack.

The woman fled Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with her son seven years ago in search of a better life. With no money, they landed in Dunbar. The two almost instantly became targets for crime, standing out as Haitians among the mostly American-born blacks in the housing project. Her car and the boy's bicycle were stolen. Their house was ransacked.

On the night of the attack, she was lured outside by a teenager who knocked on the door and said her car had a flat. Nine more teens, their faces shrouded with T-shirts, barged in, she told authorities. They brandished guns and demanded money, then went beyond the imaginable.

``I was so scared,'' the woman told Sun-Sentinel news partner WPTV. ``Some of them had sex with me twice, some of them had sex with me three times. They're beating me up. They make me do those things over and over. The man with the big gun, he put the gun inside of me.''

She said that when she was forced to perform oral sex on her own son, she told the boy: ``I know you love me, and I love you, too.''

Investigators say it not clear exactly why the thugs picked her house.

The boy's sight has returned. Both mother and son are seeking counseling.

``I have to try and talk to him every day. He's so angry,'' the woman said. ``He said we never should have moved to Dunbar Village.''

 

[Jodi]

Yes he did. A lot of people got upset and said that it was cruel to the inmates. I think his reply was "So?"

I also like the tents that he houses them in.

I watched a new report where they interviewed the inmates about being in jail under Sheriff Joe. One guy said "I ain't never going to jail in Arizona again!"

Hey he's harsh.......no doubt about it but it's not like they don't deserve it. Could you imagine being one of his inmates.....just picture.

Living in a guarded tent in Tent City, which is nothing more than a large parking lot of old military tents, in your pink underwear in the sweltering 110+ degrees. I love it

They said it was cruel too that he had them in the heat like that. His response was how our troops in Iraq live and fight in much higher temps, all bundled in gear and live out tents and they didn't commit any crimes! Good for him!

 

[Witmaster]

Wrong. Most prisons don't require hard labor at all. Most of the prisons that require labor it's just for in-prison things like doing everyone's laundry or some crap. You can hire a guy for $8 an hour to do laundry. I don't want prisoners to have rehabilitation programs unless they're due to get out of prison very soon, like 1-5 years or something. If you have a really long prison sentence or life in prison I say you should live in SHITTY cramped horrible living conditions.

Ok we both know that the ACLU (the same people who oppose the death penalty) would never allow that to happen. Especially if one of your hypothetical "innocent convicts" were subjected to your proposed prison standards.

Hard Labor prisons like Leavenworth require around 10-12 hours hard labor per day with time to sit and eat meals. I'm thinking EVERY SINGLE PRISON should have to do some form of hard labor that actually produces a product which can be sold to the public for capital gains and the prisoners should be working 14-16 hours per day 7 days a week with no exceptions and eating MREs or something that they only need 10 minutes to eat so they can get their criminal asses back to work.

You'll get no argument from me here. Every Prisoner should be required to break rocks. Even those sitting on Death Row.

I think killing somone because they killed someone else is a retarded idea. If one kid punches another kid, and that kid punches him back, you're only left with two angry kids with bruises, no solutions, no progress, NOTHING. Also forgiveness is something everyone needs to work on. I can forgive a theif for robbing me (doesn't mean I want him anywhere near my house again of course). Mostly because I feel that if you can't forgive someone for doing wrong by you, you don't deserve to be forgiven for something wrong you did to someone else.

Ok.... Doms pointed out the complete absurdity in your choice of "metaphors" here. I'll jump to your other examples...

You say you forgive the thief yet you don't want them near your house? Well then, you haven't REALLY forgiven them then, have you?

Likewise, if someone lied to you... would you then NEVER trust a word they said again? What if it was your brother? Or child?

You see... your examples are entirely subjective at best and, depending on contributing factors and/or mitigating circumstances, could merit entirely different outcomes.

Likewise... there are some crimes against mankind that are worthy of a death penalty.

 

[mboylan86]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

These guys deserve to be tortured to death.

torture would be too easy

 

[BoneCrusher]

torture would be too easy

Weeeelllll ... that's a perspective issue. With the proper effort it wouldn't be easy by a damn sight <insert Pulp Fiction quote here>.

 

[KelJu]

I also disagree with PM's metaphor. We aren't talking about a school yard fight. We are talking about the violent rape and assault of a poor woman and he child. These people should be killed to insure they they never do it again.


In a fair world, all of you fuckers defending these criminals would have your mother and little brother raped, beaten, and forced to perform oral sex on each other.

Your sympathies are in the wrong place, and your ideas are weak and a danger to society.

 

[DOMS]

I also disagree with PM's metaphor. We aren't talking about a school yard fight. We are talking about the violent rape and assault of a poor woman and he child. These people should be killed to insure they they never do it again.


In a fair world, all of you fuckers defending these criminals would have your mother and little brother raped, beaten, and forced to perform oral sex on each other.

Your sympathies are in the wrong place, and your ideas are weak and a danger to society.

I figured out a way to save money, and solve a problem.

Since there are some assholes...excuse me, I mean "people", out there that feel we shouldn't execute such heinous people, I say we put the criminals in their houses. They can pay for that criminal's food and lodgings.

Plus, if that person doesn't really deserve death, they can rehabilitate him. Or he can kill them. Either way, it's a win-win.

 

[Little Wing]

I figured out a way to save money, and solve a problem.

Since there are some assholes...excuse me, I mean "people", out there that feel we shouldn't execute such heinous people, I say we put the criminals in their houses. They can pay for that criminal's food and lodgings.

Plus, if that person doesn't really deserve death, they can rehabilitate him. Or he can kill them. Either way, it's a win-win.

i like the way you think

 

[KelJu]

I figured out a way to save money, and solve a problem.

Since there are some assholes...excuse me, I mean "people", out there that feel we shouldn't execute such heinous people, I say we put the criminals in their houses. They can pay for that criminal's food and lodgings.

Plus, if that person doesn't really deserve death, they can rehabilitate him. Or he can kill them. Either way, it's a win-win.

Well lets get this ball rolling. All these bleeding hearts can lodge these murderers, rapist, and child molesters in their home. Buy bunkbeds, and let them sleep in their children's room.

We have nice piece of legislation we can try to get our representatives to push through congress.

 

[DOMS]

If only...