F*** the Republican party

[Flex]

With the Rep. Nat'l convention going on, i am at my sickest point. I usually try to tune out all the political bullshit, because thats all it is, bullshit.

I happened to tune into their jerk-eachother-off convention last night for a few minutes, and i had to restrain myself from puking.

The bullshit that spews from these guys mouths is incredible! am i the only one that thinks this????

i realize all the Bush supporters are their because he makes them richer, but do they have to BOOOOO when a democrats name is called? It reminded me of the "Haters BAll" from the Chappelle show, where there were supposedly the 5 biggest "haters" (people who "hate on" everyone else the most) in one room. They'd mock eachother, and the crowd would yell, "HATE HATE HATE HATE". thats exactly what it reminded me of, a bunch of stupid comics.

Have all these idiots been watching CNN for the past year and a half??? Do they realize there are our own people out there at war dying for a cause that we have no business being involved in when they chant "4 more years, 4 more years".

What if it were their sons and daughters that had to go overover there? I bet then they wouldnt be so gung ho about the war then, huh?

Hey Bush, send your two dumbass daughters there. see how pro-war you are then.

Like i said, i don't follow politics too closely, because it makes me sick to my stomach. And i'm not all Pro-Democrat, either. ITs just i disagree with just about every last thing Bush is all about.

After watching that shit last night, it makes me think, My God, what a country we live in.

Any thoughts?

 

[Weight39]

Any thoughts?

I'm sure rich will chime in soon.

 

[Pepper]

When I have said that the anti-Bush crowd is embarrassing themselves, this is what I had in mind.

I am not a huge Bush fan, but I will vote him b/c he is by far a better candidate than Kerry. Republicans are much better equiped to manage both the war and the economy. Democrats are economic illiterates.

 

[Pepper]

How many people did Saddam have to kill before you guys would say it's OK to take him out?

Put a number on it please, because this whinning about taking out that murderer is getting sickening.

 

[kvyd]

How many people would it take for Saddam to kill till the people would get tired and rebel?

Thats the thing if freedom is wanted then freedom can be attained.

 

[gr81]

oh Cmon Flex, republicans spouting BS! why, thats absurd.. ha ha

I have long since lost any respect for anyone in general that is a member of a political party period. There is much more that unites Americans than divides us and we get so caught up in winning and more importantly the opposite party losing that we have completely lost site of whats important in this country. Partisanship leads to divisiveness, a number of former presidents have thought so including Andrew Jackson and Madison I believe, and it does. Imposing a political agenda is the first priority of any party, when the first priority should be, has to be serving the American public and addressing issues. What does it say about a persons integrity and overall value of their own belief system when at the time a decision needs to be made, he looks to the party manual for what he/she is supposed to believe?? I am not a Democrat despite the labeling and finger pointing that has gone on and probably will continue to go on in this thread as well. I believe that the govt. doesn't have the right to make moral decisions for us, and yet according to this administration thats a ludicrous notion for me to have. Make very clear that I am not just bashing one party. Yes I hate Republicans, but I hate them b/c they automatically and perpetually discredit my opinions based on the perception that I am not one of them, so therefore I must be an enemy. I'll will be dammed if I sit and listen to anything from a party that tells me its ok to have a gernade launcher and a extended banana clip on my semi, b/c its my right as a citizen to form a militia (lets please keep in mind that America has more gun deaths than just about the next 10 most populated countries combined!!) yet if I wanna smoke a joint in my room by myself, or I wanna use a prohormone supplement, I will be thrown in jail (lets also please be reminded of how crowded our jails are with non violent drug offensives!) Yeah ok, that makes sense and is not at all hipocritical. And yes I know the Democratic party can be hipocritical, and I don't care, so please do not reply with that you A-holes. your all going to hell and your bringing this country with you. I hope your happy! peace bitches

 

[Pepper]

How many people would it take for Saddam to kill till the people would get tired and rebel?

Thats the thing if freedom is wanted then freedom can be attained.

What are they going to do, throw rocks at him?

So that's the model for leadership? Let him kill until there is an uprising? All of Europe would be speaking German today.

 

[gr81]

How many people did Saddam have to kill before you guys would say it's OK to take him out?

Put a number on it please, because this whinning about taking out that murderer is getting sickening.

Oh please, PLEASE pepper. I got love for you buddy, but lets not pretend that we went over there to eliminate a hazardous dictator that was killing its citizens and THATS why we went over there, from the goodness of our heart. Even your so called president said the reason we were there was to find weapons of mass destruction and find terrorist ties so PLEASE. First off, the US has NEVER EVER, I repeat NEVER done something like this in its history that wasn't going to directly benefit them, and please argue that! And to extend off that point quickly, if what you say is true and we just spent hundreds of billions of dollars and had nothing specific to gain, that would be an extremely sizable blunder. Secondly, if the US was really interested in eliminating dictators killing off their citizens then why are we not doing this for other countries like South Africa or N. Korea or teh hundreds of other countries that could benefit from out helping hand?? The Middle East is not the only place that this shit is going on by any means. How many other leaders have we assasinated in the name of goodness and concern in the last ten years, since this heroism is such a prominent priority for our country hmmm? Lets not kid ourselves. This War was politically motivated, as many are. I am not saying that Saddam shoudln't have been captured the way he was, b/c he deserves much more than that for the horror he has caused, but it is essential that we be brutishly honest and scrupulous about the situation as a whole. Bush used this opportunity, a national crisis, to impose his political agenda upon the country. Just examine at the country today to see a representation of this for gods sake. Debating the War and if whether we should've gone is one thing, but to do that lets please first be honest about what really happened. Its disrespectful to the countries involved not to be. Maybe that shit will get a cheer at the RNC, but there are some of us are not yet brainwashed by this unpatriotic propaganda. Its one thing to have love for your country, but to be forever adamant and believing that all we touch turns to gold is just nonsensical and self defeating. Thats like niave parent believing that her little boy is an angel, and even though this little mother fucker is kickin up dust everyday at school and causing trouble right and left, the parent is still in denial about it and is convinced that everyone else has to be wrong b/c her little boy is an angel. Its time to be honest about our actions. no one is perfect so lets start behaving like we understand that folks! I am finished. bonjour bitches

 

[kvyd]

I guess things happen the way they do for a reason. And all situations are different.

 

[gr81]

So that's the model for leadership? Let him kill until there is an uprising? All of Europe would be speaking German today.

btw comparing Saddam to Hitler is so asinine I don't even kow where to start. Saddam was horrible but he in no way posed the threats that Hitler did.

 

[maniclion]

Would you Republicans make up your minds, is the war on Iraq about terrorist links to Al-Qaeda, WMD's or stopping Saddams genocide?


Five Falsehoods That Led to the Iraq Quagmire

1. Weapons of Mass Destruction. The weapons have still not been found. Nader emphasized, "Until the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam Hussein was our government's anti-communist ally in the Middle East. We also used him to keep Iran at bay. In so doing, in the 1980s under Reagan and the first Bush, corporations were licensed by the Department of Commerce to export the materials for chemical and biological weapons that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney later accused him of having." Those weapons were destroyed after the Gulf War. President Bush's favorite chief weapons inspector, David Kay, after returning from Iraq and leading a large team of inspectors and spending nearly half a billion dollars told the president :We were wrong." See: David Kay testimony before Senate Armed Services Committee, January 28, 2004.
2. Iraq Ties to Al Qaeda-9/11. The White House made this claim even though the CIA and FBI repeatedly told the Administration that there was no tie between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. They were mortal enemies - one secular, the other fundamentalist.
3. Saddam Hussein was a Threat to the United States. In fact, Saddam was a tottering dictator, with an antiquated, fractured army of low morale and with Kurdish enemies in Northern Iraq and Shiite adversaries in the South of Iraq. He did not even control the air space over most of Iraq.
4. Saddam Hussein was a Threat to his Neighbors: In fact, Iraq was surrounded by countries with far superior military forces. Turkey, Iran and Israel were all capable of obliterating any aggressive move by the Iraqi dictator.
5. The Liberation of the Iraqi People. There are brutal dictators throughout the world, many supported over the years by Washington, whose people need "liberation " from their leaders. This is not a persuasive argument since for Iraq, it's about oil. In fact, the occupation of Iraq by the United States is a magnet for increasing violence, anarchy and insurrection.

 

[gr81]

Would you Republicans make up your minds, is the war on Iraq about terrorist links to Al-Qaeda, WMD's or stopping Saddams genocide?

yeah no shit manic! pick a lie and stick to it for christs sake. These are no longer reasons, they are justifications after the fact! who are you kidding besides yourselves.

The Liberation of the Iraqi People. There are brutal dictators throughout the world, many supported over the years by Washington, whose people need "liberation " from their leaders. This is not a persuasive argument since for Iraq, it's about oil. In fact, the occupation of Iraq by the United States is a magnet for increasing violence, anarchy and insurrection.

exactly, if we were really concerned as republicans suggest why just iraq?

 

[Pepper]

btw comparing Saddam to Hitler is so assinign I don't even kow where to start. Saddam was horrible but he in no way posed the threats that Hitler did.

Assinine?

I suppose it would be, however, I did not compare two. I think reading that into my post is so assinign that I don't know where to start

 

[gr81]

the suggestion was there.. and yeah I type fast and I can't spell.. lol

 

[maniclion]

By the way those Five Falsehoods come from the Impeachment Petition by Ralph Nader

http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=15

If you don't like Bush please add your signature.

 

[Muscle_Girl]

Sorry, maybe I am reading this wrong, but seems you 2 have something in common Pepper and Gr8.. you both like Shithawks?

 

[gr81]

^^someone should have told MG at the door that this is a conversation about politics and world matters, not lipstick and shoes or whatever it is women talk about. leave the statesmenship to the men dear and observe quietly if you must.. thank you

 

[Flex]

How many people did Saddam have to kill before you guys would say it's OK to take him out?

Let me ask you a question Pepper.

Why Saddam? Why Iraq? You know why? Because he needed to blame SOMEBODY for Sept. 11.

If he is so fuckin against innocent people getting killed, what about all over teh rest of the world? What about in Africa, where people are getting slaughtered in civil war everyday? What about in other parts of the middle east, where people are getting punished by non-democracies everyday just as much if not more than in Saddam's Iraq.

I'll tell you why, again. Because he fucked up in not gettin Bin-Laden, so he needed someone to blame. And why not blame the asshole that his father was so passionate about, he's an easy target.

 

[Flex]

When I have said that the anti-Bush crowd is embarrassing themselves, this is what I had in mind.

Ya, i feel real embarrassed. Open your eyes.

And Bush/Republicans balance war and the economy?????

i dont know much about politics, but what the fuck are you talkiing about, may i ask?

You already know my stance on the war, and i'll repeat it, its ALLLLLLL B.S. and the economy? are you being serious? Have you seen the economy lately? there are NO jobs. gas and oil prices are RIDICULOUS. The economy is terrible.

Come on, Pepper. I'm no politician, but i'm not an idiot either.

 

[Flex]

Oh please, PLEASE pepper. I got love for you buddy, but lets not pretend that we went over there to eliminate a person that was killing its citizens and thats why we went over there, from teh goodness of our heart. PLEASE. First off, the US has NEVER EVER, I repeat NEVER done something like this in its history that wasn't going to benefit us, and please argue that! Second, if the US was really interested in eliminating dictators killing off their citizens then why are we not doing this for other countries like South Africa?? the Middle East is not the only place that this shit is going on. How many other leaders have we assasinated in the name of goodness in the last ten years, since this is such a priority for our country hmmm? Lets not kid ourselves. This War was politically motivated. I am not saying that Saddam shoudln't have been captured like that, b/c he should've, but lets be honest about the situation and why we are there. Buch used this opportunity, a national crisis to impose his political agenda upon the country. Juts look at the country now for gods sake. arguing about the War and if we should've done it is one this, but lets be honest about what really happened. Its disrespectful not to. Maybe that shit will get a cheer at the RNC, but some of us are not brainwashed.

if my posts didnt come out how i meant, ^ is what i meant to say.

very thoughtful and educated, bro.....impressive (both your long posts, not just this one)

 

[TheGreatSatan]

It pisses me off that during the Republican convention, Democrats are outside protesting and starting fights with the cops. But this doesn't happen during the Democratic convention, because Republicans are grown ups.

 

[Flex]

Would you Republicans make up your minds, is the war on Iraq about terrorist links to Al-Qaeda, WMD's or stopping Saddams genocide?


Five Falsehoods That Led to the Iraq Quagmire

1. Weapons of Mass Destruction. The weapons have still not been found. Nader emphasized, "Until the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam Hussein was our government's anti-communist ally in the Middle East. We also used him to keep Iran at bay. In so doing, in the 1980s under Reagan and the first Bush, corporations were licensed by the Department of Commerce to export the materials for chemical and biological weapons that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney later accused him of having." Those weapons were destroyed after the Gulf War. President Bush's favorite chief weapons inspector, David Kay, after returning from Iraq and leading a large team of inspectors and spending nearly half a billion dollars told the president :We were wrong." See: David Kay testimony before Senate Armed Services Committee, January 28, 2004.
2. Iraq Ties to Al Qaeda-9/11. The White House made this claim even though the CIA and FBI repeatedly told the Administration that there was no tie between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. They were mortal enemies - one secular, the other fundamentalist.
3. Saddam Hussein was a Threat to the United States. In fact, Saddam was a tottering dictator, with an antiquated, fractured army of low morale and with Kurdish enemies in Northern Iraq and Shiite adversaries in the South of Iraq. He did not even control the air space over most of Iraq.
4. Saddam Hussein was a Threat to his Neighbors: In fact, Iraq was surrounded by countries with far superior military forces. Turkey, Iran and Israel were all capable of obliterating any aggressive move by the Iraqi dictator.
5. The Liberation of the Iraqi People. There are brutal dictators throughout the world, many supported over the years by Washington, whose people need "liberation " from their leaders. This is not a persuasive argument since for Iraq, it's about oil. In fact, the occupation of Iraq by the United States is a magnet for increasing violence, anarchy and insurrection.

Chew on that, Republicans

 

[Flex]

sorry to keep babbling,

but when Bush makes a speech, does he even read it first????

He looks like a fuckin idiot when he talks. he looks like its all brand new information for him. WTF is he talking about???

 

[maniclion]

[Sarcasm]Iraq deserved it and next Venezuela cause damn-it all to hell we felled to get that Chavez out of office even by trying to rig the elections like we did so well in Florida. And now he want's 30% of the cut in Venezuelan oil instead of the nice 16% we let him keep. And for of all selfish reasons to help his people out of squalor. What a Hitler-esque man we should vaporize his whole country for electing such a shit-head.[/Sarcasm]

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0816-03.htm

By the way, Venezuela has more oil than Iraq, if they can construe a plan Bush and Cheney would love to conquer them too.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

but when Bush makes a speech, does he even read it first????

He's too busy running the country and doing good for us all.

 

[Flex]

He's too busy running the country and doing good for us all.

oooooooooooooh, i see.

so that's why when he talks he looks like he has no idea wtf he's saying. He must not even have time to read his note cards.

 

[maniclion]

It pisses me off that during the Republican convention, Democrats are outside protesting and starting fights with the cops. But this doesn't happen during the Democratic convention, because Republicans are grown ups.

Yeah, wearing cute little purple heart band-aids, elephant ear hats and calling people not sharing their views "girlie-men".

They don't protest anything because they are scared it might put them in harms way, they're nothing but a bunch of insecure paranoia ridden greedy goons that live ,not just in, put on FEAR. Why do you think everything is about Guns, War, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security, Commander in Chief, terror, shoving 9/11 down everyones throats etc.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Oh god.

You actually took that as an insult?? How easy are you people? It's just fuckin' politics.

 

[gr81]

if my posts didnt come out how i meant, ^ is what i meant to say.

very thoughtful and educated, bro.....impressive (both your long posts, not just this one)

thanks buddy, appreciate it. btw I still haven't seen anyone debate what I have said. Notice when you pull one of their republican cards they just ignore that specific issue and move on to something else, like Clinton getting sucked and how bad that was for the nation, or more recently how much of a flip flopper Kerry is, b/c changing your mind between teh ages of 18- 45 is bad?! Lets address the issues you bastards, don't shy away bitches.. lol

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I missed you're point. Can you elaborate?