F*** the Republican party

[gr81]

He's too busy running the country and doing good for us all.

I assure you that the president is not so swamped that he sacrifices sounding intelligent while addressing the nation. Surely you don't believe this. I mean thats something that would help his popularity and credibility in the long run. And its ridiculous to suggest that he sounds like a fool b/c he doesn't have the time not to,.. C'mon man, please.

 

[maniclion]

Republicans don't protest anything because they are scared it might put them in harms way, they're nothing but a bunch of insecure paranoia ridden greedy goons that live ,not just in, put on FEAR. Why do you think everything is about Guns, War, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security, Commander in Chief, terror, shoving 9/11 down everyones throats etc.

 

[maniclion]

They don't protest anything because they are scared it might put them in harms way, they're nothing but a bunch of insecure paranoia ridden greedy goons that live ,not just in, put on FEAR. Why do you think everything is about Guns, War, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security, Commander in Chief, terror, shoving 9/11 down everyones throats etc.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

War sells. It's kind of important and all. Besides, if you vote Kerry in he's just gonna run. What happens in the Middle east then? I can't believe school is making me miss the President's speech.

 

[oaktownboy]

With the Rep. Nat'l convention going on, i am at my sickest point. I usually try to tune out all the political bullshit, because thats all it is, bullshit.

I happened to tune into their jerk-eachother-off convention last night for a few minutes, and i had to restrain myself from puking.

The bullshit that spews from these guys mouths is incredible! am i the only one that thinks this????

i realize all the Bush supporters are their because he makes them richer, but do they have to BOOOOO when a democrats name is called? It reminded me of the "Haters BAll" from the Chappelle show, where there were supposedly the 5 biggest "haters" (people who "hate on" everyone else the most) in one room. They'd mock eachother, and the crowd would yell, "HATE HATE HATE HATE". thats exactly what it reminded me of, a bunch of stupid comics.

Have all these idiots been watching CNN for the past year and a half??? Do they realize there are our own people out there at war dying for a cause that we have no business being involved in when they chant "4 more years, 4 more years".

What if it were their sons and daughters that had to go overover there? I bet then they wouldnt be so gung ho about the war then, huh?

Hey Bush, send your two dumbass daughters there. see how pro-war you are then.

Like i said, i don't follow politics too closely, because it makes me sick to my stomach. And i'm not all Pro-Democrat, either. ITs just i disagree with just about every last thing Bush is all about.

After watching that shit last night, it makes me think, My God, what a country we live in.

Any thoughts?

ever watched any Democratic National Conventions?

 

[kbm8795]

When I have said that the anti-Bush crowd is embarrassing themselves, this is what I had in mind.

I am not a huge Bush fan, but I will vote him b/c he is by far a better candidate than Kerry. Republicans are much better equiped to manage both the war and the economy. Democrats are economic illiterates.

why of course...and our personal lives as well.

 

[gr81]

ever watched any Democratic National Conventions?
[\QUOTE]

fault lies not within a party, but within the system itself my friend.. we are all to blame

 

[gr81]

and our personal lives as well.

ha ha

 

[MaxMirkin]

Vote for Duke!!!

 

[moon]

I would vote for Bush, if I were an American citizen. I like him. He has the courage to do a big game. Sorry...this is just my opinion.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

The problem is, Moon, it isnt his game to play, he playing the wrong game, a game he cant win because he doesnt know how to play, AND HE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. DO YOU REALLY WANT AN IDIOT AS PRESIDENT. COME ON

 

[Luke9583]

With the Rep. Nat'l convention going on, i am at my sickest point. I usually try to tune out all the political bullshit, because thats all it is, bullshit.

I about Puked when Mrs. Dole gave the opening speach.... "the Republicans didn't invent god, but we will defend him."

 

[kbm8795]

I about Puked when Mrs. Dole gave the opening speach.... "the Republicans didn't invent god, but we will defend him."

Yeah..they just keep re-inventing God. But their interpretation skills seem limited...they can memorize a dozen or so Bible verses, but can't seem to get down those hundreds about helping the poor or embracing greed.

But then, they have trouble with those Ten Commandments, too. That's why they need them in front of every public building, so they won't forget them.

 

[Pepper]

The problem is, Moon, it isnt his game to play, he playing the wrong game, a game he cant win because he doesnt know how to play, AND HE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. DO YOU REALLY WANT AN IDIOT AS PRESIDENT. COME ON

Harvard & Yale much?

 

[Luke9583]

Yeah..they just keep re-inventing God. But their interpretation skills seem limited...they can memorize a dozen or so Bible verses, but can't seem to get down those hundreds about helping the poor or embracing greed.

But then, they have trouble with those Ten Commandments, too. That's why they need them in front of every public building, so they won't forget them.

Very well written response . You've encapsulated my anger into intelligable text.

Harvard & Yale much?

Ahh, what money can buy, it's amazing

 

[Rich46yo]

Yeah, wearing cute little purple heart band-aids, elephant ear hats and calling people not sharing their views "girlie-men".

They don't protest anything because they are scared it might put them in harms way, they're nothing but a bunch of insecure paranoia ridden greedy goons that live ,not just in, put on FEAR. Why do you think everything is about Guns, War, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security, Commander in Chief, terror, shoving 9/11 down everyones throats etc.

Hahahahah Yeah were all "to scared" to run out like a little asshole and get arrested protesting. Of course republicans are mostly to busy "working" and "raising familys" to be on a protest line spitting on the Police and posing for cameras. We also have an abhorrence for violating the law. You know these little shitheads were released from jail a few hours before the convention started? And what did they do? They ran back to the convention to start some shit again. Can you imagine a bunch of middle aged republicans doing that? Were to busy supporting this great country and paying its bills to be picking fights with the police like little assholes.

And did we take to the streets when that fat cunt M. Moore created that smear campaign movie? Or when democrat special interest spends $10 to every $1 dollar RSI do, to finance their own mean spirited vendetta campaign against our President? Of course not! Meanwhile the little whiners sit around and pout when a republican leaders takes a potshot against their spineless little jellyfish of a candidate.

Geeeee! I guess were to scared to say anything.

Now, point by point.........."""""""Weapons of Mass Destruction. The weapons have still not been found. Nader emphasized, "Until the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam Hussein was our government's anti-communist ally in the Middle East. We also used him to keep Iran at bay. In so doing, in the 1980s under Reagan and the first Bush, corporations were licensed by the Department of Commerce to export the materials for chemical and biological weapons that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney later accused him of having." Those weapons were destroyed after the Gulf War. President Bush's favorite chief weapons inspector, David Kay, after returning from Iraq and leading a large team of inspectors and spending nearly half a billion dollars told the president :We were wrong." See: David Kay testimony before Senate Armed Services Committee, January 28, 2004."""""""""""""

Now where the fuck did you get the idea Saddam was our "ally"? Gee, kinda like Britain right? Or another NATO country? Nobody ever "used" Saddam for anything my little friend. His attack on Iran was entirely his own doing. It was financed by his Arab brothers from the Gulf states, we never gave him a dime or a weapon. We did sell him some "civilian" helicopters and airplanes, none of them armed or designed for military use. And we did provide Sat imagery of Iranian forces. Remember Iran in the 80's? Remember it in Nov. '79? I certainly do as I was only sa few hundred air miles from Tehran when those hostages were taken. Iran was, and is, our mortal enemy. It was the right decision at the time to help Iraqi's to kill Iranians. Its true there was some export of "dual use" technology from America to Iraq which could be used for chem/bio weaponry, half the machinery you find in any hospital could be used as such. But the majority of such materials was exported to Iraq from France,Russia,West Germany, and Switzerland.

And up until a year after Gulf-ll David Kay was sure he was going to find these WMDs in Iraq. HE was the expert who was wrong. HE had a front line seat to Saddams violations all those lonely years after Gulf-l, and they were numerous. But I guess the Liberals and flag burners don't remember them http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020917-8.html

""""""Iraq Ties to Al Qaeda-9/11. The White House made this claim even though the CIA and FBI repeatedly told the Administration that there was no tie between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. They were mortal enemies - one secular, the other fundamentalist"""""""""

There was some evidence from foreign sources that Saddam was in leauge with terrorists. He had always supported Palestinian terrorist groups who were slaughtering Israelis. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/general.html

"""""""""Saddam Hussein was a Threat to the United States. In fact, Saddam was a tottering dictator, with an antiquated, fractured army of low morale and with Kurdish enemies in Northern Iraq and Shiite adversaries in the South of Iraq. He did not even control the air space over most of Iraq."""""""""

A "tottering dictator"? Your kidding right? He had just put down a mass uprising of Iraqs Shiites, whom make up 60% of Iraqs population, and he was "tottering"? He was busy rebuilding his army using monies from the dumbassed UN's oil for food program, most of his top units survived Gulf-l intact,"remember when the world stopped us from destroying his entire military"? He had flouted and obstructed the UN inspectors, eventually kicking them out, and he had even attempted the assassination of a former US president. Yeah except for all this he was "tottering".

And the reason he didn't control his own airspace is because the USAF did. Weve controlled airspace in every war we've ever been in, just like the worlds oceans are controlled by the USN. It didnt stop Saddam from shooting at the warplanes, again violating UN and ceasefire protocol. But whats another violation right?

"""""""""Saddam Hussein was a Threat to his Neighbors: In fact, Iraq was surrounded by countries with far superior military forces. Turkey, Iran and Israel were all capable of obliterating any aggressive move by the Iraqi dictator.""""""""""""

You conveniently left out Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in your list. Along with the other Gulf States. Yaknow, the ones with about 3/4 of the worlds oil? Remember? And without oil you couldn't drive your SUV, couldn't heat your house, wouldn't have a job, and wouldn't have electricity to play on your computer. And other then starting two major wars which cause millions of casualties, which required an American military deployment of almost 1/2 millions troops, and other then committing genocide on a mass scale on several occasions,other then deploying sarin and other toxins, other then rapeing and pillaging Kuwait, as well as taking many hostages who were "disappeared", other then lobbing SCUDs onto Israeli cities almost starting a World War, and other then lieing to,obstructing and eventually kicking out UN inspectors to hide his extensive WMDs arsenal..................

Yeah, other then all this Saddam was actually quite benign, almost "tottering"

""""""""""The Liberation of the Iraqi People. There are brutal dictators throughout the world, many supported over the years by Washington, whose people need "liberation " from their leaders. This is not a persuasive argument since for Iraq, it's about oil. In fact, the occupation of Iraq by the United States is a magnet for increasing violence, anarchy and insurrection.""""""""

Thats right, during the cold war we were often forced to decide between two evils. And such decisions were made by democrat presidents as often as republican ones. I don't get your point, or see its relevance in this conversation. And of course oil is a big part of it, are you a child? Without oil our entire economy would come crashing down and Jesse Jackson would be forced to walk instead of driving his big pink cadillac. And if our oil was interrupted, our economy on the brink, you flagburning flakes would be tearing down the streets crying about how Bush "ruined the economy".

And dont forget. Your boy Kerry voted against Gulf-l screaming "no blood for oil", then he took a look at the polls and voted for this war, then voted against funding it, then looked at the polls and stated he "would have attacked even if he knew Saddam had no WMDs, because it was the right thing to do". NOW hes saying............I don't know whats hes saying now I haven't look at todays news......or polls....take care.... ....Rich

 

[Pepper]

Actually, KBM, I give you crap all the time but your point about Christians forgetting their duty to help the poor, etc is a good one. Point taken.

 

[Stickboy]

thanks buddy, appreciate it. btw I still haven't seen anyone debate what I have said. Notice when you pull one of their republican cards they just ignore that specific issue and move on to something else, like Clinton getting sucked and how bad that was for the nation, or more recently how much of a flip flopper Kerry is, b/c changing your mind between teh ages of 18- 45 is bad?! Lets address the issues you bastards, don't shy away bitches.. lol

Perhaps you should present the "issues". What are the "issues" EXACTLY? (as you see it)

 

[Stickboy]

Actually, KBM, I give you crap all the time but your point about Christians forgetting their duty to help the poor, etc is a good one. Point taken.

Not all forget. I give a fairly decent percentage of my salary to charities.

 

[Pepper]

To charites that help the poor or your church? I give a good bit too but really only to my church and other church related groups. Don't get me wrong, these groups do a great work and are worth support, I just feel that in general Christians spend too little of their money tending to the physical needs of people. Not all, of course.

 

[Stickboy]

To charites that help the poor or your church? I give a good bit too but really only to my church and other church related groups. Don't get me wrong, these groups do a great work and are worth support, I just feel that in general Christians spend too little of their money tending to the physical needs of people. Not all, of course.

I give 10% to the church. I also give money to other various causes that support the poor. (via the Combined Federal Campaign).

 

[BoneCrusher]

At this point I would add my Bush monologue ... but I promised Pepper to stop Bush bashing for 24 hours. So ...

 

[Stickboy]

Well, if you are a Kerry supporter, simply flip-flop and comment away.

 

[Monolith]

They don't protest anything because they are scared it might put them in harms way, they're nothing but a bunch of insecure paranoia ridden greedy goons that live ,not just in, put on FEAR. Why do you think everything is about Guns, War, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security, Commander in Chief, terror, shoving 9/11 down everyones throats etc.

I'd just like to point out that it was a democrat who got us into every 20th century conflict. The only exception is Gulf War 1.

World war 1? Wilson
World war 2? Roosevelt
Korea? Truman
Vietnam? Kennedy/Johnson

And that's not even mentioning Democratic fuckups like the Bay of Pigs and Somalia.

But you know what's even more interesting? For the wars that werent a truly global event... that is, one where it was the U.S. being its nasty, imperialistic self... it was a republican who got us out.

Korea? Eisenhower
Vietnam? Nixon

And do i even have to mention the Cold War, ended by Reagan? And furthermore, that John Kerry tried to halt Reagan's every move towards that end? Or that Kerry, when we ousted the communist crackheads in Grenada, condmned Reagan for using a "bully's show of force"? Yes, that's right. We end a communist regime close to home, one happily throwing cocaine across our borders, and Kerry say's we're playing too rough.

Or how about in '86, when there was a terrorist bombing of a nightclub in Germany filled with US soldiers. Two died and hundreds were injured. When intelligence discovered that Moammar Kadafi was behind the attack, Reagan ordered his house bombed. What'd Kerry say? Surely he'd want to show this scum that he cannot freely attack and kill US servicemen... after all, he was in the line of fire! He knows what it's like! But, alas, no... Kerry's only comment was negative, saying Reagan's retaliation was "not proportional." Yes, that's right. Soldiers die, and when we bomb the terrorist who killed them, Kerry says we're wrong.

I won't even get into his opposition to the first Gulf War. Kerry is the worst democratic candidate in decades.

 

[kbm8795]

Well, I have just a few corrections on your Republican warrior lovefest....first of all, it was Eisenhower who got us into Vietnam, a conflict that could have been settled quickly several times by both Truman and Eisenhower. Ike considered using the Bomb to rescue the poor besieged French, who were busy trying to maintain a decayed colonial outpost while we were pumping food and materials into their homeland to keep THEM from voting for a communist government. In the end, it was the General who decided NOT to send American troops in to rescue the French, because he feared too many casualties in jungle terrain.

 

[kbm8795]

Nixon's Vietnamization plan was the biggest reason he managed to get elected, although his infamous Watergate break-in did him in by 1974, and Ford was left to pick up the pieces of the Vietnam mess. Opposition to that war had led to so much social unrest in this country that citizens were dying at HOME, killed by U.S. National Guardsmen.

Pre-emptive war is not a new concept in our policies - we've used that as a reason to invade Latin American countries for decades, and not just for the "noble" purposes in Grenada. How do you think we got the land for the Panama Canal? But it is also expensive and costly, both in human lives and in money and prestige.

You don't re-elect a President who talks about being a "wartime" leader and then does everything possible to promote divisive domestic policies. You can't preach about crusading for "freedom" and then have a military officer running around the country telling people this is a "holy war." And you can't tell your people that you are freeing someone else while you campaign for half a dozen constitutional amendments that further restrict freedom at home.

A "wartime" President promotes unity. . .not proselytize one group's religious beliefs while disrespecting others. He started off fine after 9/11. . .and then deteriorated at the direction of Karl Rove until he sounds like a puppet of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson and every fearmongering weird-ass this country has ever produced.
The Party has already as good as lost one Senate seat in Illinois, since Allen Keyes, who at least is honest in his embracing of the Republican Party platform, has managed to alienate even the moderate Republicans. The Prez needs to be real careful about running on some of that platform - I don't think most people are interested in spending a fortune freeing Iraq so we can become a regulated theocracy HERE. Nor do I want our manufactured government for Iraq turning into the Bush model for our own - though he is stuck promoting it now.

 

[Flex]

I'd just like to point out that it was a democrat who got us into every 20th century conflict. The only exception is Gulf War 1.

World war 1? Wilson
World war 2? Roosevelt
Korea? Truman
Vietnam? Kennedy/Johnson

Monolith, I'll give you Korea and Vietnam. Those are endlessly debated foreign conflicts for their own respective reasons of whether or not we should've got involved.

But OMG, are you EVEN trying to be serious be mentioning WW1 and ESPECIALLY WW2 here?????

Are you saying that if a Republican was in power during Pearl Harbor, he would've forgiven the Japanese, because obviously they went off-course and bombed Pearl Harbor by accident. They were obviously supposed to hit "Squirrel Harbor", a non-US target of the allies. The republican president would've then invited Mussolini to join him for espresso to talk about how the U.S. doesnt care Italy is trying to take over the Mediteranean. And finally our great rep. pres. would fly over to Nazi Germany and tell Hitler simply to "cut it out, Adolf". When all the axis powers finally conquered the rest of the world, save the US, our pres. would get those evil m-fer's to let the US live seperately in our own peaceful democracy, while they ruled the rest of the world in a tyrranical, evil, slavery, fascist, murderous rule.

Have you ever even taken a history class?

Monolith, as stupid as my sarcasm sounds right there, your comment about how a Democrat "got us into" WW1, and ESPECIALLY WW2 is 100x worse.

 

[Flex]

and dammit, you republican hardheads are missing my point.

like i tried saying, i'm def. not a republican, but i'm not even a democrat. i'd like to think i can just vote for a president that will be HONEST, and do what is best for our country w/o thoughts of GREED, and not go to WAR when we have no business there, even if he needs an excuse b/c he can't find the real 9/11 culprits.

my point is, Bush IMO, is a liar. He is greedy. and we have no business being in the war.

Kerry may be a meathead. But its come to the point where i, and we, have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. and we've seen what Bush can do. like i said, every single time he speaks it looks like he's reading those notecards for the first time.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and vote for that matter, and thats what makes our country what it is today, and why we've been the most successful country in the world.

But come on, what the heck do you Bush supporters really see in him? i'm very serious when i say this.

 

[Stickboy]

Ok, I'll bite.

What do I see in Bush?

I see a man that does what he says he's going to do.
I see a man that truely cares for the american people.
I see a man that will not compromise US security.
I see a man that tells the truth.

What do I see in Kerry?

I see a man that will do anything to get a head in life.
I see a man that is a pathalogical liar.
I see a man that humiliated his fellow soldiers by lying to congress.
I see a man, who by his own admission, commited war crimes.
I see a man who should have been tried as a traitor (along with Jane Fonda).
I see a man who stands for nothing.

I don't know Flex, the lesser of two evils would be Bush. He's a known. There's no telling what wacko Kerry would do. Thankfully, he's on a downward spiral.

I predict we'll see just how flip-floppy Kerry is during the debates.

 

[kbm8795]

Ok, I'll bite.

What do I see in Bush?

I see a man that does what he says he's going to do.
I see a man that truely cares for the american people.
I see a man that will not compromise US security.
I see a man that tells the truth.

You might be surprised...as a man who "truely cares for the american people" he might have some explainin' to do about a slew of constitutional amendments designed to restrict civil rights, especially some which he hasn't personally endorsed. Let's see him explain the compassion in that Party's platform.

A Texas accent and an "aw shucks" tone preesnted by a man with a Yale education sounds more Hollywood than truthful to me. And his famous claim to be a "uniter, not a divider" should be an interesting "truth" to explore.