Fahrenheit 9-11

[Arnold]

just watched fahrenheit 9-11, well if that isn't disturbing, I am not just talking about Bush, the US government in general.

to say that all of it is crap and Michael Moore's opinion is rediculous, some yes, the majority not at all.

unless you have actually watched the entire thing I do not want to hear anything from you freaking republicans.

I rented the DVD and I do think it is a worthwhile movie for ALL Americans to watch.

 

[Stickboy]

Now, you need to see FahrenHYPE 9/11 and see if you still have the same opinion.

Oh, you can rent this too.

 

[Arnold]

that must be the one funded by Bush, because my god did they reveal some real shit about the Bush family and their connections to Saudi Arabia, of course I am sure none of that is true....the Bush family is not corrupt, and neither is the US government.

 

[milliman]

Yes Prince and all who have seen the Michael Moore propaganda piece.

To get the balanced picture, you need to see FahrenHYPE 9/11.
Or as Paul Harvey would say "and now you know the rest of the story".

Michael Moore just gives an ugly distorted story filled with half truths and some blatant lies. This rebuttal piece will help to set the truth straight.

 

[Arnold]

and you have both seen Fahrenheit 9-11?

 

[Du]

Michael Moore just gives an ugly distorted story filled with half truths and some blatant lies. This rebuttal piece will help to set the truth straight.

For example, a blatant lie:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39723

Quote: The letter to Moore says, "In an instance that The Pantagraph prints materials in which there is a mistake, it is corrected. It is our hope that you would adhere to the same high ethical standard and correct the inaccurate information which has been depicted in your film."
In its news story, the paper said, "The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie, a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of the Bush White House."

 

[milliman]

I am going to see both this weekend. But my brother in law has seen both and heard commentary both already and has told me how slanted Michael movie is. It is common knowledge that Moore hates Bush too. You will also note that he treats it as a documentary to give it an aura of legitimacy, but to avoid legal law suits he subtley says that it is not a documentary.

I will have first hand knowledge next week and can speak better.

 

[PreMier]

I havent seen it, but now that I know I can rent it, I will.

 

[Arnold]

I am going to see both this weekend. But my brother in law has seen both and heard commentary both already and has told me how slanted Michael movie is. It is common knowledge that Moore hates Bush too. You will also note that he treats it as a documentary to give it an aura of legitimacy, but to avoid legal law suits he subtley says that it is not a documentary.

I will have first hand knowledge nest week and can speak better.

this is so typical, people saying things like you have about this movie and you have not even seen it.

can you also give me your opinions on the latest movies that are at the theaters this month too? maybe we can call your brother-in-law.

 

[milliman]

Here are two sites discussing the movie.
They both say it is not a right wing response to Moore.
It contains Dems and Republicans and other people Moore quoted in his movie that feel Moore mis-represented what they had to say about what was going on.
They also say Kerry is never even mentioned. It deals just with the stuff Moore discussed and the terrorist threat of the fanatical Rag heads.

http://news.topix.net/overstock.html
http://mayflowerhill.blogspot.com/2004/10/fahrenhype-911.html

 

[milliman]

this is so typical, people saying things like you have about this movie and you have not even seen it.

Come on Prince.

We all rely on other people's opinions we trust and we can read commentary by other organizations as well to get an idea about something before we ever see it first hand.

 

[Stickboy]

UNfortunately, I did. My neighbor rented it, and brought it over.

Never seen such propaganda in my life. When watching 9/11, you need to remember you are watching someone's OPINION. (Nevermind the fact that he edited things to support it).

For example, Richard Clark approved the Saudi's departures. ON Sept 13th - when general aviation was opened up to EVERYONE that wanted to fly. He himself said that this decision went no higher in the government.

In the golf course scene, Bush was talking about an attack on Israel, not the 9/11 attacks.

The Saudi Embassy is not the only embassy that recieves Secret Service protection. Not all do, but some do. The US has a policy to provide protection for any embassy that requests it.

Some of the quotes about the 9/11 commision have been RE-SEQUENCED. You are not seeing it as it actually happened in the Moore film. As such, statements are presented out of context to support Moore's opinion on it.

This movie proved one thing to me. Moore has no credibility. Once you start cutting film and putting it out of context, says something about the individual presenting it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

What most folks are entirely missing about "Farenheight 9/11" is that it shouldn't spark a debate about Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush.

It should start discussion about the GOVERNMENT in general.

I agree with Robert in his original thread.

 

[busyLivin]

I wouldn't rent it in support of that fat tub of shit with three of my dollars if i was a millionaire. maybe i would watch it if it was by someone other than MM, just to see what the big deal was. I have an intense hatred for that man. democrat or republican, he's an asshole.

Anyone who believes in the bullshit of MM & purposely doesn't watch a rebuttal (like farenhype 9-11 ) is only interested in hearing what they want to hear, not the truth.

i'm not claiming farenhype 9-11 is all truth, but only after seeing both can you make a real judgement.

 

[busyLivin]

 

[Arnold]

What most folks are entirely missing about "Farenheight 9/11" is that it shouldn't spark a debate about Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush.

It should start discussion about the GOVERNMENT in general.

Exactly!

I think it display much of the corruption in our government, you can say it is opinion or edited, but some of the things that are evealed about the government in geneneral in the movie are a bit more than hype, opinion, or propaganda.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Moore is a Democrat and a blow hard that does the kind of two faced conceited downward speaking politicking that I just don???t care for. Whether it is a smooth-talking suited clean-shaven person or a scraggy faced guy in a plaid shirt talking around an issue it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Although I did like it when he tried to get the Congressmen to enlist their own kids in the Iraq war ??? that was good shit!!

I care very little about Bin Laden, as I believe him to be dead. To blame the family for his sins would not be in my way of thinking. I've said in other posts that I did not really care for Moore's way of doing things ... trying to build the Bin Laden theory into his whole BushCo concept took away from the basic premise. That Premise is that BushCo (not Bush but the entire crew) is after oil in that region and has shaped our perceptions of world events to aid his crew in accessing that oil.

This hypothesis is something that I had already come to on my own before I watched Moore's piece. I was bugged that he was showing visual links and sources for up to then things that were only suspicions in my mind. Am I going to give you an item-by-item request to debunk? No Stick it is the entire premise that I believe disqualifies BushCo from leading and am asking you to debunk. The piece Moore did has that hypothesis as its main underlying statement ??? debunk that hypothesis and I'll vote for Bush again. If you cannot debunk that theory than you should not vote for the man. He is still an environmental disaster in a suit that cannot seperate church from state and will not respect the rights of each and every American regardless of race, religion, or sexual preferance. That said I will vote for him if you can debunk the premise of Moore's flick. I guess this is a put your vote where your mouth is kinda wager Stick. My money is on the table ...

I'll repost this since no-one has taken me up on it. Milli, Busy, Stick, DG, Duncans, any and all Bush fans .... put up or shut up time is at hand. We have been dorking around the issues for several months now. Hundreds of valid sourced reports have been posted here. If you ignored these posts because you were so well informed ... cool. But now you can get me to kiss your ass right here on this thread and vote Bush by taking this bet.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I never come in open chat, but had to respond to this:

"debunk that hypothesis"

A hypothesis doesn't have to be "debunked" - it has to be prooven. By definition a hypothesis is a tentative assumption.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I don't care who you vote for, or for watching Moores film.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Nice try Duncan. My bet still stands ...

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Nice try? Do you even know what hypothesis means? When someone has a HYPOTHESIS (see the scientific method) it is the responsibility of the person who created the hypothesis to proove it

Again, I don't care who you vote for, but as far as "debunking the hypothesis" ..

 

[BoneCrusher]

Have you actually got anything to say Duncan ... or are you just going to repeat your self again? Bet is up ... take it or leave it.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

You are ignorant if you think someone else should disproove your hypothesis for you

Hopefully you will vote for what you believe, anyway.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Duncan this is simple as hell. Those of us that have been posting in the political threads know exactly what I am doing here ??? and so do you. I wagered it at Stick and the thread died. Now I put the same wager on the table again. You want to draw me into some kind of bullshit semantics game ??? whatever Duncan. I???ll just stick to the wager with ANYONE that can actually show the skill to debate the issues. The issue here is whether or not BushCo has manipulated our country into a war for oil. This is what I am calling ANYONE who is trying to continue with the illusion of WMD???s or 9/11 links from Iraq to wager on. We are not liberating anything but oil Duncan. You have something to say on this?

 

[Arnold]

The issue here is whether or not BushCo has manipulated our country into a war for oil. This is what I am calling ANYONE who is trying to continue with the illusion of WMD???s or 9/11 links from Iraq. We are not liberating anything but oil Duncan. You have something to say on this?

Exactly again, and that is one thing that the movie focused on, obviously there is no proof, but all of the stuff about the Carlyle Group was sure interesting! www.thecarlylegroup.com

And I had know idea that the Saudi's have almost 1 trillion dollars invested in America, which if they pulled it all out our economy would certainly cripple.

 

[maniclion]

Like James Carville said the other night the problem is that we have set up this media system where no one looks to the news for enlightenment anymore but for support. You watch your favorite news outlet so that it's in agreement with you, the networks now cater to that and you have heavily slanted information. Micheal Moore knew this too and knew that to get a message out he had to candy coat it with hyberbole and rhetoric

The truth is that Bush and his Precogs(remember Minority Report) had a premonition and saw that attacking a floundering defensless nation was the best way to say, "Hey look at us we're tough on terror." They failed to look further into that vision to see where we would take us today, the statement the rest of the world got is "Hey look at us we'll make up false allegations so we can rape the resources of your land."

 

[Du]

The truth is that Bush and his Precogs(remember Minority Report) had a premonition and saw that attacking a floundering defensless nation was the best way to say, "Hey look at us we're tough on terror." They failed to look further into that vision to see where we would take us today, the statement the rest of the world got is "Hey look at us we'll make up false allegations so we can rape the resources of your land."

I love how people like you promote ideas like this as "truth". Youre talking shit to Duncans about proving "hypotheses", but where is your proof. With statements like the one you just posted, you belong in a class with conspiracy theorists.... I suggest you have a conversation with Italian44, you and him are very similar.

 

[busyLivin]

I'll repost this since no-one has taken me up on it. Milli, Busy, Stick, DG, Duncans, any and all Bush fans .... put up or shut up time is at hand. We have been dorking around the issues for several months now. Hundreds of valid sourced reports have been posted here. If you ignored these posts because you were so well informed ... cool. But now you can get me to kiss your ass right here on this thread and vote Bush by taking this bet.

you live in texas.. why would i give a shit if you vote for bush?

 

[min0 lee]

Make love guys not war!

 

[maniclion]

I love how people like you promote ideas like this as "truth". Youre talking shit to Duncans about proving "hypotheses", but where is your proof. With statements like the one you just posted, you belong in a class with conspiracy theorists.... I suggest you have a conversation with Italian44, you and him are very similar.

I don't have to prove reality.