Failed Physical for Work bc of oral AAS, need help

[((Vibe))]

Ok, so the sky opened up and God made everything fall into place so that an incredible job opportunity was presented to me just recently. 50% increase in pay, awesome benefits...just an amazing opportunity for me and my family. The interview went well and everything....

The only problem is, I failed the pre-placement physical because I had just gotten off a cycle of epi/havoc and my liver enzymes were elevated and lipids skewed. So the occupational doctor determined that I was "unfit for duty." Frakkk!!

I went to my personal physician and showed him the damning blood work and some of my previous (A-OK) blood work, the empty bottle of havoc, a printed out description of havoc explaining that it could elevate liver enzymes, skew lipids etc. He wrote me a letter to take to the other doctor, but I am not sure that he is going to be willing (or even able) to reverse his decision.

Just wondering if anyone has experienced this before? If so I would like to hear what they did/what recourse I might have. Many thanks, in advance.

 

[mack777]

u shouldnt have been running epi/havoc theyre basically the same and toxic to the liver as hell. take a lot of milk thistle, Ala vitamin c, and livercare by himalaya and maybe say that the test was done after a couple of night of heavy heavy drinking n ud like to retake it in about 10 days to show ure fine

 

[yamar1]

IF you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the position? I have never heard of anyone being denied a job for elevated liver values. My AST/ALT values are elevated and I have never touched a prohormone or AAS in my life.

Something smells fishy about not being hired for elevated liver and lipid markers. YOu sure they didn't find something else?

 

[((Vibe))]

IF you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the position? I have never heard of anyone being denied a job for elevated liver values. My AST/ALT values are elevated and I have never touched a prohormone or AAS in my life.

Something smells fishy about not being hired for elevated liver and lipid markers. YOu sure they didn't find something else?

Yes I'm sure, the problem is that they weren't just slightly out of range. My liver enzymes were 4X the upper range allowed.

It is a position doing safety in a chemical plant, I would also be part of the fire brigade. Lots of pilots, people in the army, police, fire fighters etc are given these kind of physicals. (full blood work, EKG, step test, regular physical, chest x-ray etc)

 

[((Vibe))]

I went and saw another doc on Friday and told him everything showed him the empty bottle, some literature on havoc saying it could elevate liver enzymes, showed him old blood work showing I was etc and he wrote me a letter to give to the first doc.

I'm not sure if the first doc is willing or even able to change his assessment of me. But I'm really hoping it will work...

 

[((Vibe))]

Aye, thanks for the idea...I have some livercare somewhere around here...I'll add it to the Siliphos (milk thistle extract) and NAC that I am taking.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Milk Thistle and NAC...I dont think there is a set answer as to how long it will take before your levels are normal. I'd say your best bet is that letter and see if the doctor will approve it. If you give that letter plus prior lab work you can show that you're healthy and that this supplement has caused the temp elevation of the enzymes along with the change in lipids. Good luck man I know what it is like to get an amazing job offer. I can only imagine how frustrated you are now.

 

[((Vibe))]

Milk Thistle and NAC...I dont think there is a set answer as to how long it will take before your levels are normal. I'd say your best bet is that letter and see if the doctor will approve it. If you give that letter plus prior lab work you can show that you're healthy and that this supplement has caused the temp elevation of the enzymes along with the change in lipids. Good luck man I know what it is like to get an amazing job offer. I can only imagine how frustrated you are now.

You said it lol.

Thanks for the input, man. Nice to get some real advice/feedback. I tried to post this same thread on bb.com and got responses like "that's what you get for being a phaggot" "what did you think of epi?" "well, was it worth it lol" etc etc

 

[TrojanMan60563]

You said it lol.

Thanks for the input, man. Nice to get some real advice/feedback. I tried to post this same thread on bb.com and got responses like "that's what you get for being a phaggot" "what did you think of epi?" "well, was it worth it lol" etc etc

Yeah forums are good for that. Anothing thing you might research is NAC dosing. I was talking to my endo and he said they give NAC to people that OD on things like tylenol to help detox the liver so it doesn't get damaged. He noticed my bottle is 600mg and he said they use it at like 5g doses. I didn't go further into that topic but he said my supps were fine etc.. So maybe you can look into higher dosing of NAC to speed up recovery, or even ask your doctor for that advice. It would appear that stuff is used in the medical field and at much higher doses than we buy and use from the supplement stores.

 

[BP2000]

Take some Tudca buy it off Amazon

 

[Intense]

Fuck prohormones

 

[iSteroids]

run a few liver support products, liv 52 etc and cut out all fatty food and clean up diet, wait 2 weeks a retake the test

http://www.isteroids.com/

 

[Robalo]

Yes I'm sure, the problem is that they weren't just slightly out of range. My liver enzymes were 4X the upper range allowed.

It is a position doing safety in a chemical plant, I would also be part of the fire brigade. Lots of pilots, people in the army, police, fire fighters etc are given these kind of physicals. (full blood work, EKG, step test, regular physical, chest x-ray etc)

I've had similar values and they tested me for hepatitis C, luckily everything came back fine. In less than one month values were back to normal, just in time to escape the liver biopsy.
You will be fine, however, regarding the job oportunity, you're screwed, sorry.

 

[yamar1]

Yes I'm sure, the problem is that they weren't just slightly out of range. My liver enzymes were 4X the upper range allowed.

It is a position doing safety in a chemical plant, I would also be part of the fire brigade. Lots of pilots, people in the army, police, fire fighters etc are given these kind of physicals. (full blood work, EKG, step test, regular physical, chest x-ray etc)

Holy shit! 4x standard values is a real health concern bro. What did you doctor say?

In addition to TUDCA I hear great things about Liv.52.

 

[Glycomann]

Liver enzymes are often elevated in those who work out. How skewed were the enzymes and your lipids? You may be able to argue that you work out and this is normal. Thre is plenty out there that states this is so.

 

[((Vibe))]

Liver enzymes are often elevated in those who work out. How skewed were the enzymes and your lipids? You may be able to argue that you work out and this is normal. Thre is plenty out there that states this is so.

I have read that as well, but I think that would only be a reasonable explanation if values were only a little out of range...

 

[heavyiron]

live clean for 4 weeks and they will improve a lot brother.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

Liver enzymes are often elevated in those who work out. How skewed were the enzymes and your lipids? You may be able to argue that you work out and this is normal. Thre is plenty out there that states this is so.

^ this

I've never seen a employer look at liver enzyme values and heightened creatinine levels. Normally it's elicit stuff. This is a first to hear something like this regarding drug screenings. Everybody who trains a lot with supplementation and high protein can raise the lipids. You should argue this..

 

[((Vibe))]

I've had similar values and they tested me for hepatitis C, luckily everything came back fine. In less than one month values were back to normal, just in time to escape the liver biopsy.
You will be fine, however, regarding the job oportunity, you're screwed, sorry.

Well,...that might well be true. In hindsight,...maybe I should have waited to put in my 2 weeks notice at my place of employment. haha......ha... O_O

Seriously though, I'm guessing that maybe you are in the military and have some experience with this kind of thing?

I'm hoping that the second opinion I got from my personal physician and the letter he wrote might suede the occupational doc....but I understand that it's a long shot.

 

[Robalo]

Well,...that might well be true. In hindsight,...maybe I should have waited to put in my 2 weeks notice at my place of employment. haha......ha... O_O

Seriously though, I'm guessing that maybe you are in the military and have some experience with this kind of thing?

I'm hoping that the second opinion I got from my personal physician and the letter he wrote might suede the occupational doc....but I understand that it's a long shot.

It costs nothing to try but usually these preliminary tests are eliminatory, especially if there are many candidates for the job, as I believe that is the case.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Lordsks]

the lipids would take longer to improve than liver values.

 

[overburdened]

Yes I'm sure, the problem is that they weren't just slightly out of range. My liver enzymes were 4X the upper range allowed.

It is a position doing safety in a chemical plant, I would also be part of the fire brigade. Lots of pilots, people in the army, police, fire fighters etc are given these kind of physicals. (full blood work, EKG, step test, regular physical, chest x-ray etc)

Your liver enzymes can be brought down in two weeks with milk thistle, etc... that's the easy part... the lipids take more time.. get garlic and tons of fish/flax/borage oil... you should be able to bring lipids down significantly in same time frame with those... good luck