Fighter needing advice on anavar and stack

[ismhmr]

I have a few questions.. Last year while training in Thailand I took oral Anavar and Winstrol together and got really good results. For my next cycle I did some injectable testosterone, and it hurt so bad in the injection area, I could not train
(or even move) that area at all. So I am going to stay away from injections from now on, it just effects my martial arts training too much..

I am about to start a regular 4 week on 4 week yearly cycle, I plan to stay with the Winstrol at 40mg a day, take 10mg every other day of chen to keep my body fat off and I wanted to take 40mg of anavar a day, but the stuff is so damn expensive. I am keeping the dosage of chen low, because I hear it gets you winded.

I am a fighter with a normal walking rate of 210 pounds (198 now), but I fight either at 170 or 185, so I don't want to get bigger, I need be lean, while being as strong as possible. Winstrol and Anavar alone worked great for me, even in a pretty low dosage (30mg of each per day) and I was able to cut to 178 for an mma fight pretty easy..

The problem is though, Anavar is so damn expensive. So I need an alternative. I hear it's not good to take Winstrol alone, so I need to find another good oral replacement for anavar.. Any suggestions? I have a title fight coming up that I want to be good and strong for.

I am also open for suggestions on a totally different oral stack. Let me know, I would appreciate it.

 

[Grozny]

Usually most fighters will utilise high androgen stuff like Miberolone, Halotestin or Methyl Trienolone. These compounds can increase Aggression and strength very fast but not give a huge increase in bulk.

However I am not recommending that you use these compunds as they are all highly liver toxic and will give you bad sides if used for a long time (over 4 weeks). However the 'best gear for boxers/fighter'. In terms of punching power and restricting bulk gain these would be the answer.

 

[ismhmr]

Usually most fighters will utilise high androgen stuff like Miberolone, Halotestin or Methyl Trienolone. These compounds can increase Aggression and strength very fast but not give a huge increase in bulk.

However I am not recommending that you use these compunds as they are all highly liver toxic and will give you bad sides if used for a long time (over 4 weeks). However the 'best gear for boxers/fighter'. In terms of punching power and restricting bulk gain these would be the answer.

That sounds good.. But I am one of those fighters who fights a lot, sometimes twice a month. Maybe something like that right before a big fight would be good, but I would rather stay on lighter stuff year around. Part of the point of this is to keep me healthy so I can fight that often, and keep that strength edge when I do.

 

[Grozny]

That sounds good.. But I am one of those fighters who fights a lot, sometimes twice a month. Maybe something like that right before a big fight would be good, but I would rather stay on lighter stuff year around. Part of the point of this is to keep me healthy so I can fight that often, and keep that strength edge when I do.

here is a list of the gear that most of the figher use:

Anadrol (oxymetholone)
Anadur (nandrolone hexylphenylpropionate)
Anavar (oxandrolone)
Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)
Clenbuterol
Deca Durabolin (nandrolone decanoate)
Dianabol (methandrostenolone)
Dynabolan (nandrolone undecanoate)
Ephedrine Hydrochloride
Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate)
Erythropoietin (EPO)
Finaplix (trenbolone acetate)
Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)
Insulin
Masteron (drostanolone propionate)
Nilevar (norethandrolone)
Omnadren 250
Primobolan (methenolone acetate)
Primobolan Depot (methenolone enanthate)
Primoteston Depot
Sten
Stenox
Sustanon 250
Teslac (testolactone)
Testosterone (various esters)
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Propionate
Testosterone Enanthate
Trenbolone acetate
Winstrol (stanozolol)
Winstrol Depot (stanozolol)

also equipose is a possibility as it will improve your strength but will also increases your red blood cell count. As a result it should help your heart and lungs deal with the extra stress of your increased muscle strength.

 

[GMO]

here is a list of the gear that most of the figher use:

Anadrol (oxymetholone)
Anadur (nandrolone hexylphenylpropionate)
Anavar (oxandrolone)
Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)
Clenbuterol
Deca Durabolin (nandrolone decanoate)
Dianabol (methandrostenolone)
Dynabolan (nandrolone undecanoate)
Ephedrine Hydrochloride
Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate)
Erythropoietin (EPO)
Finaplix (trenbolone acetate)
Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)
Insulin
Masteron (drostanolone propionate)
Nilevar (norethandrolone)
Omnadren 250
Primobolan (methenolone acetate)
Primobolan Depot (methenolone enanthate)
Primoteston Depot
Sten
Stenox
Sustanon 250
Teslac (testolactone)
Testosterone (various esters)
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Propionate
Testosterone Enanthate
Trenbolone acetate
Winstrol (stanozolol)
Winstrol Depot (stanozolol)

also equipose is a possibility as it will improve your strength but will also increases your red blood cell count. As a result it should help your heart and lungs deal with the extra stress of your increased muscle strength.

LOL...is there anything NOT on that list?

 

[TGB1987]

I thought the same thing.

 

[cutright]

Lol that pretty much covers it

 

[TGB1987]

I train mma as well. An an oral cycle all year long will be hard on your liver even though you are going to be taking breaks. Repeated use of Orals is bad. In order to do this safely you will need to use some injectables. Just a low dose of test prop. or enanthate. Some tests are more painful than others. I know you have to be able to deal with pain, you are a fighter. There are guys that take injectables who are not nearly as tough as someone like you. So you may of just had a bad batch of test with a High BA content which made it painful. If you get a good quality test you won't have this as much. I would try to use anavar with the test if you can afford it. It helps with your lungs and endurance as well as increases your strength without the added bulk. Keep the test on the lower side that way you don't gain too much weight. I would love to see your fights what kind of fighting do you do? My advice for your cycle is to give test a try again.

 

[fray5]

I train mma as well. An an oral cycle all year long will be hard on your liver even though you are going to be taking breaks. Repeated use of Orals is bad. In order to do this safely you will need to use some injectables. Just a low dose of test prop. or enanthate. Some tests are more painful than others. I know you have to be able to deal with pain, you are a fighter. There are guys that take injectables who are not nearly as tough as someone like you. So you may of just had a bad batch of test with a High BA content which made it painful. If you get a good quality test you won't have this as much. I would try to use anavar with the test if you can afford it. It helps with your lungs and endurance as well as increases your strength without the added bulk. Keep the test on the lower side that way you don't gain too much weight. I would love to see your fights what kind of fighting do you do? My advice for your cycle is to give test a try again.

x2... a low dose of test will help with your recovery while training as well as retain muscle and keep bf low. Be careful with the winstrol and other orals as mentioned previously because they are much harder on your body than injectables. In my opinion, anavar is the best oral option for you but I do understand it's rather expensive. Good luck man and be safe!

 

[SloppyJ]

I was watching some fights on TV last night and one guy was obviously using. I kind of wondered what he was on....then he got knocked the F out.

 

[TGB1987]

I always wonder the same thing about the fighters I watch. LOL

 

[Life]

LOL...is there anything NOT on that list?

Estrogen.

 

[DaBeast25]

LOL...is there anything NOT on that list?

Cell-Tech

 

[ismhmr]

I was watching some fights on TV last night and one guy was obviously using. I kind of wondered what he was on....then he got knocked the F out.

Yea, using everything in the world will not help you if don't know anything, or have no base.

 

[TGB1987]

This is very true. MMA and fighting in general it doesn't matter how big you are. It is all about skill. If you have the strength and muscle it can be a benefit or it can be detrimental depending on whether you know how to use it correctly to your advantage.

 

[ismhmr]

Thanks guys, TGB, I will send you a pm with a link to my highlight reel later.

 

[TGB1987]

Thanks brother I would like that a lot sounds like you are doing pretty well if you got a title shot.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

I know a lil bit about train'n and fight'n, and that list would get you fined, suspended, and possible have your permit pulled.

Since you said you were in Thailand I assume you went there for either Muay Thai or Muay Borang. Sawadee Krup!

If you fight for
USMTA
IMTA
WMTA
TBA
WBC
Test'n will always be a week before the fight, time'n is everthin.
I also assume that you are am level or you would not even consider fight'n 2 times a month,( unless you are fight'n in one of the 2 major fight arena's in Bangkok am's don't fight there) since the commission will not allow that ( unless you fight for Somchi lol) also you could not use the compounds you mentioned as they would not clear your system in time.

Here's the truth

Winny
Test Prop
Tren A
Halo ( ok but for some reason makes faces cuts bleed more)
Tbol ( seems to be the new "thing" in the game)

All useful for this game.
all can be used but should be cut out 2 weeks before examined "Clean" ( if you don't know what it is ask some pro's they'll know)will do the rest. You will also need saline iv after.
Gurrana is bein used more now as test'n changed again Feb 12. But what would I know lol

Hope that helps good luck and " Chok de Na".

Keep your hands by your head and your ass off the floor.

Peace and Love

BTW congrates on your title fight

who's the sanction'n body

 

[tri856]

wont you get tested for fighting?

 

[ismhmr]

No, not every promotion does testing, and everyone does something.. They just Cycle around it.

And I am pro, but I am taking fights quickly to stack my record, to get into the big shows. The mid western states have a lot of pro MMA events, so I have a lot of opportunity to fight.

I do MMA, btw, not Muay Thai. haha. Eventhough I was in Thailand training, I never really had any interest in Pro Muay Thai.

 

[tri856]

damn then thats whats up

 

[HKfanboy]

Ive allways used Tren Ace. (Low dose 50mg EOD) and Winny. It allways worked out well for me. (I weigh 220ish and cut to 205) The tren makes you strong as a bull but can screw with your cardio. (for me the limit was 50mg EOD to avoid that for the most part) Tren Ace is an injectable but I have heard of success using it as a transdermal. Tren dosent hurt as an injectable. (give it a shot, literally, and see for yourself - homebrew fina can be painless) Alot of people will tell you to run test with tren (wise advice) but my body seems to accept tren/winny or a light tren only cycle just fine with minimal sides. (night sweats mostly) Try it for yourself. When I was doing MMA and BJJ tourneys the tren/winny stack kept me gorilla strong.

 

[TGB1987]

Tren can cause you to lose endurance. My buddy used to get tired just walking up steps.

 

[HKfanboy]

Tren can cause you to lose endurance. My buddy used to get tired just walking up steps.

Totally thats why I suggested a low dose. I found the sweet spot myself of 50mg eod but I am shure this varies from person to person. On 125eod my cardio went to hell. Tren is potent and has some harsh sides but it is the king of strength as far as everything I have used.

 

[TGB1987]

I guess everyone has preferences.

 

[ismhmr]

Man.. I still can't decide.. hahaha.

Yea, I am certainly not looking to lose Cardio.. That would be bad.

 

[Vibrant]

I know that tbol was already mentioned but I know a lot of guys are using it instead of var because of the cost. So it might work, but I wouldn't recommend taking without test. I tried taking it solo but on the third week I started to feel like shit, so I stopped and started pct.

 

[ismhmr]

Hmm.. So what does everything think about a yearly 4 week on 4 week off cycle? (without anavar.) I need something that doesn't sacrifice cardio, that doesn't put me in danger. I need to put in an order soon.. What is the verdict?

 

[ismhmr]

Okay, so far I have decided that injectable TRENBOLONE and injectable Winstrol is my best bet, and I am going to take them every other day for 4 week periods then have 4 weeks off. I also plan to take a tablet of oral clen once a day, a body building champ old me he just has one tab every other day or so. What does everyone think? Should I add anything to the injections? Or does this sound good? Or should I do some sort of test instead of the Winstrol or do both?

 

[ismhmr]

What does everyone think of a stack of TBOL, Winny, and Test injectables, with the occasional Clen tablet as needed? I am thinking that I will do low doses of the injectables about 25mg of each every other day for 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, all year long.

What does everything think? Sound good?