hey ppl, can i run this first cycle by u and tell me wat u think. week 1-4 d-bol 20mgs week1 test 250, week2 test 250 eq 200, week 3 test 250 eq 200, week4 test 250 eq 200, week 5 test 500, week 6 test 500, week7,test 250 eq 200 ,week 8 test 250 eq 200, week 9 eq 400, week 10 eq 400, week 11 eq 200. hcg week 5 500iu for 3 days, week 12 hcg 500 for 3 days week 13 clomid for 2 weeks nolvadex and letrozole on hand
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sounds expensive; be a winner- say no! to drugs! 
pop said:
for a 1st cycle depending on your body size I would just run 250-500 mg/wk of test for 10 weeks, that's it. plan and simple, no need to stack the first cycle...
fucking gross.
seriously, I dunno why you people juice. I jusr dont understand the logic. It's counterproductive for health and what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle? I wrestled with the thought of using the stuff, but I cant bring myself to do it. I guess I am not seeing the whole picture. I'm not trying to be judgemental-just curious with the fascination of the shit.
juggernaut said:
If that is what you think you have done zero research on the subject. And if you have done research you either haven't done enough or have been reading the wrong information...
juggernaut said:
To answer one question. Gains are very keepable after an androgen cycle. High calories, high protein correct training, anti-estrogen (nolva or clomid) to help restore testosterone, hcg if needed during cycle. You can go off completely and keep gains so long as you are still within your genetic potential (which is higher than most would think).
Only thing that keeps me from using illicit anabolics is just that. They are illicit. Do some research on hormone replacement therapy to understand just oen of the many potential benefits.
but doesnt it bother you about the health implications? There is so much bad stuff out there about this stuff that I dont see the pros outweighing the cons.
The problems come in not with their use but with their misuse by the uninformed and abuse by the careless. There is a stigma associated with anabolic steroids that goes back decades. People often fear what they do not understand. Cycles can very definitely be run safely and effectively. At worst many see being able to use steroids as greatly improving their quality of life. Quite an important issue to many.
juggernaut said:
Translation: I hear so many bad things but I haven't done my own research so I wouldn't have a clue if I were being lied to or not, I just believe everything I hear.
juggernaut said:
If your genetics can't support it then yes, but I highly doubt you are 100% maxed out. So, it is not just to put you beyond a genetic barrier, but to get there faster.
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Multiple esters are just too damn hard to keep test levels constant pop. Single esters are alot easier to keep things consistant. With all the different half lives of the esters in sust, test levels are all over the place. Keep is simple with single esters.
Good one Mudge!Mudge said:Translation: I hear so many bad things but I haven't done my own research so I wouldn't have a clue if I were being lied to or not, I just believe everything I hear.
People were dying from taking metabolife and it scared me cause i was taking it. one to Two pills a day to keep me awake working nights. then met a person taking 12 at a time 2 to 3 times a day.
Use and abuse. big diff
Abusers of anything give out a bad profile.
