First cyle use in need of mentor

[lnvanry]

I have been taking 40mg of Dbol for almost three weeks so far. I take three doses throughout the day. I have taken two doses 700mg/week of test Eth as well. I started that 11days ago. I planned and purchased usage for 6 weeks with both, even though I started the test E a week later. I have gone from 160 to 177 in 17 days. I am 22 with a body fat of 5-7% naturally lean and very veiny with little water retention...at least near the surface of my skin.
My question is do I even need to continue with dbol? I read that usage over 4 weeks can be redundant and even harmful. I know that 40 mg is on the heavier side of use as well. How long will it take for the test E results kick in? What can I expect to keep as far as my gains too? I would appreciate any feedback. Unfortunately there is little guidence in my gym...my supplier is just a supplier and evey other bodybuilder won't even give me the time of day as far serious advice goes. Maybe b/c I'm younger and smaller. I would appreciate any feedback. Thanx

Illinois State University

 

[pop]

sounds alot of stuff 4 a first cycle hope u have anti estrogen on hand bro u might need it.

 

[deeno]

Run Dbol for weeks 1-4
Test E 'kicks in' close to your third week
Gains and maintaining gains depend on diet and PCT

You should think about running the test e for ten weeks...

 

[cman]

Are you getting your Liver enzymes checked?
What is your work out schedule like?
Post your diet in the nutrition forum and you will get loads of help there as well.
Be carefull bro.
And do you have Clomid or nolvadex on hand?

That does seem like a big dose. Ussually people I know for firs cycle take just one first like Test @ 500mg for 8 to 10 weeks.
Then second cycle you add one.
I am in no way an expert but this Q gets asked alot.


When some one gives you advice too, read their previouse posts, to find out a little about them.
Also some one with 6000 posts obviously has heard this question alot and can more than likly give pretty sound advice.
People like me with 150 or so ? Hit or miss.

Just figured I ask some questions so when the big dog's get up they will have more info to respond to.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

your 40mg per day of dbol is overkill for a first cycle. You would get great results from even 20-30mg per day. If I read your post correctly your taking 1400mg of testosterone enanthate per week.....if that is correct then you are taking WAY too much for a first time user....At your weight you should not need anything close to that amount. I would continue running the rest of your dbol cycle as is. You can run it for 6 weeks but 4 is safer especially when you don't know how your liver acts to the stuff. Cut your test back to like 500mg per week and run it out longer for a 10-12 week cycle. A 6 week cycle of test enanthate is a waste. I hope you have some Nolvadex to combat gyno (at your doses its highly unlikely that you won't get it) and for your PCT to get your balls working again.

 

[Pirate!]

I have gone from 160 to 177 in 17 days.

I bet your face looks like somone stuck marshmellows under your skin. You are holding lots of water, and it wouldn't surprise me if you started growing tits pretty soon here.

 

[musclepump]

If you don't have Nolva, get it. Now would be good. Go go go! Quick! Those breasts aren't waiting for anyone!

 

[lnvanry]

Pirate from Hell My face has gotten a little more "puffy". I haven't seen any indication of bitch tits yet. Like I said ealier my body fat% is very low. I do have Nolv. on hand though. I planned to follow up with Clomid after the whole cyle. I am not taking 1400mg per week only 700...sorry about the confusion trojan man, and PCT?...I am not familiar with that. Is is really necessary, my guys seem fine as of now.
Also, six weeks is a waste? That is not what I wanted to hear at all. If I cut back to 500mg would that decrease gains. As far as liver enzymes I think I am only going to be Dbol four weeks. I have one week left and I take a few milk thistles a day if it is any benefit. My diet is very strict. I get at least 4000-6000 cals a day. Of course high protein, carb, and unsaturated fats...mulitvitamin too. I train on a 4 day split (chest,back,rest,legs,bi/tri,rest,rest) I hit front and side delts on chest day and rear on back day.
I am new to this site, and I really appreciate the feedback.
Thank you everyone.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Well if you still have time go buy more test.....if you wanted to run a short cycle of test you should have picked propionate instead...its much faster acting....anyways at your size 500mg is plenty to see great gains...you should try to get the most out of using less while you can....after a while of using gear you'll have to use more to get gains...why not take advantage of using less to get great results.

 

[LAM]

I would drop the test down to 400 mg/wk and run it out...

 

[Viktor]

bro just curious whats your height? you'd better be 5'0 and 160lbs if you are running 700mgs of test a week. I hope that by "naturally lean" you dont mean skinny...i doubt that anyone who weighs less then 200lbs needs more then 500mgs of test a week for his first cycle. If you start out at 700mgs a week, at what dosage are you going to run your next cycle? and the cycle after that? if you have already been using 700mgs for the first 2 weeks just consider it a loading phase and drop it down to at least 500. IMO you are going to see MUCH better results at 500mgs for 10-12 weeks then at 700 for 6 weeks. i am glad to hear you are making great gains so far. Just make sure to constantly up your calorie intake as your weight increases.

 

[lnvanry]

Unfortuantely Viktor I not 5'0...I am 5'11. I was taking 700mg/week the first two times b/c that is what my supplier told me to, and He is a junior national so I believe him; however, all signs at this site point to NO. I guess going from 700 to 500mg/week is what I am going to to do. That lengthens my cyle from 7weeks (originally planned six) to 9 weeks(the first two weeks of 700 and the remaining 7 weeks of 500).
I was also informed by the same guy to take 40-50mg of dbol for six weeks as well. He said his body type was just like mine three years ago and this is what he did. Also, he is getting his M.D. is biochem. Can you see why I would see him as credible... he looks like a freak magazine bodybuilder year round. I was told you never get gains like your first cyle so I was supposed to "shock" it to the extreme.
Thanx again guys...

 

[Mudge]

There is no way he is cycling 6 weeks at a time thats for sure.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Invanry chances are your BBer friend is on the sauce more then he is not on. Its best to do a little research on your own (like what your doing now) to get help from others, and to make up your mind based on info you research. Don't always do what someone else tells ya to do. Read and find out what is best for you. (believe us we all can't be wrong about a 6 week enanthate cycle)

 

[Pirate!]

I was told you never get gains like your first cyle so I was supposed to "shock" it to the extreme.

This logic doesn't hold up. You should respond very well on your first cycle, so you shouldn't need massive doses for the first cycle. If you "shock it to the extreme" on the first cycle, than you might have to do that and more to get the results you want from the next cycle. Also, not knowing how your body reacts to more moderate amounts is not a good way to start. I agree with Trojan that you have to consider different opinions and decide for yourself.

 

[Mudge]

Actually that is supposedly why the "Cybergenics" mascot retired, he was using so much gear to make any kind of gains that his health was deteriorating.

 

[lnvanry]

Thanx everybody! I am now going to finish of mydbol in a 4 week cyle instead of six. Took my first two test E doses at 700mg/wk, Now I am going to 500/wk for the remaining 7 weeks. 9 Weeks in all for test E. I have my Nolv on hand in case I need, although I haven't seen any reason yet...And I have my clomid ready for 12 days only after the seventh day following my last test dose. I appreciate the input.