First time with tren please review and critique if necessary

[Jdubfrost]

Whats up guys I'm about to take the next step and try tren.
This is a list of the gear I've tried so far:

?test e
?test p
?dbol
?winny
?proviron(took it to enhance test not alone.

first cycle was test e 600 mg for 12 weeks last 4 weeks 1000mg. Took arimidex, Hcg, and pct was nolvadex, clomid, daa, and some vitamins. Loved this cycle but felt it was very mild.

Second cycle was dbol 5 week kick star, teste e, proviron(stopped before winny) injectable winny for last 4 weeks that I drank, and ended cycle with test prop instead of test e. Used arimidex for e control, Hcg, and pct was the same but added proviron. I used ghrp 2 and mod grf 1-29 all the way through as well.

This is how I've planned my tren cycle so far.

dbol 30mg w1-4
test e 600mg w1-10
test prop 700mg w10-12
tren ace 300mg w1-8
arimidex .5 e3d w1-12
caber 1mg ew w1-12
hcg 300 mcg 2ew
ghrp 2 and mod grf 100 mcg ed week 1-12

pct clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
caber(what do you guys think?)
daa

does this look good? Should I try deca first?

 

[PTPT]

Why prop at the end?

 

[UberJedi]

Run the test at 250 while the tren is there. Bump your tren to 500mgs. I prefer E to A. Also run dbol 75 mgs for 4 weeks then 150 for 4 more weeks. And I'm with PTPT.....Why prop at the end?

 

[DaBeast25]

Why prop at the end?

I'm assuming he's taking advantage of the dead time between the last stick of test e and the start of pct. Using prop allows you to keep test levels high right up until you start pct as oppose to letting it taper.

 

[SoCalSwole]

I agree Prop at the end makes for an easier PCT if your going that route. The longer esters are out so when you stop the prop is out in a few days doesn't linger and inhibit PCT like test e or C would do.

 

[Bigjay73]

Yeah, drop the test to 250 a week and I'd go with ace at 400-500 a week no more than an 8 week cycle but really 6 weeks should give you amazing results. Trust me 400 a week of good tren will blow your mind. Running the test high is a waste imo.

 

[SoCalSwole]

You know another thing. I really don't think you need that much test if you got tren in there. Tren and test use the same receptor and tren binds quicker and easier so the test is not getting in anyway so all that's needed is a trt dose for the androgenic effects like being able to get it up. and feeling normal. Tren has a way of making you feel not right, funny thing is you grow to like it. Its evil like that. So the test at low dose will keep that at bay, but you don't need more than 300mg a week. But staying the course with switching to test P at the end is a good choice. Also if your using tren A you have to stick your self every day anyway. So why not just add the small dose of test p in with it? The only reason I could think of to run the longer ester test would be to keep the total volume of oil injected down when running high test levels. Test C or E these days is at least 300mg per ml, but now that we gave reasons to not use so much test that argument is out. Anyway perhaps in the future I should read and digest then post. My brain likes to give me bits and pieces as it analyzes things. lol

Also good call on the HCG. Don't miss a dose and have extra to do a little blast the last week. (500iu 3 times a week) the tren really shut me down hard. Now I blast cruise so not an issue. But if your planning on going off altogether and firing back up the natural test factory then you might want some extra fuel to throw at that fire. Tren was a bitch at keeping me shut down.

 

[Jdubfrost]

^ yes that's why I do prop at the end. K so I'll drop the test down to 250 mg pw. I've read on here that it's better to start with tren ace because if there is crazy sides it will clear out of your system quicker which completely makes sense. I hate pinning so often though cause I feel like my ass is going to be a scarred mess lol. In my previous cycles the only side I've ever had was acne and on my first cycle I'm almost 100% sure my arimidex was bunk and I had no signs of gyno. Do you guys think it's ok to just start with tren e? If not I will be using test prop with the tren a and not the test e thanks SoCalSwole and everyone for the advice I really do appreciate it. I always have a shit ton of Hcg just in case. I use extra if my guys are looking sorry and do a few 1000-2000 mcg pins near the end before pct

 

[anabolic4life]

Hey just a heads up, since you have never taken tren before I highly, highly recommend you to take a fast acting tren, and not long ester like tren e, reason why is if you for some reason you have a bad reaction to the tren at least you can drop it and in a few days the tren will be out, and side effects will start to go away soon., tren e in the other hand will take at least 2 weeks for the sides to start leaving you. Sometimes tern sides can really be a pain in the ass, totally worth it if you can handle it. And at 300mg that's not to high but you will def get side effects.
better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Bigjay73]

Go with prop and ace. pinning eod isn't that bad.

 

[Jdubfrost]

K so here's how my revised cycle will look:

test prop 250mg pw w1-14
tren ace 300mg pw w1-8 to start will up dose if low sides
dbol 30mg pd week 9-14
caber 1mg pw 1-14 and possibly through pct for the bedroom
arimidex .5 mg e3d w1-14
hcg 500mcg eod
liv52
pct same

Thanks again for the advise I love this forum. People here help people instead of bashing them with there ego trips. If there's anything else you think I should add just let me know

 

[SoCalSwole]

Looks much better. I also highly recommend the Tren A in stead of E. For the same reason you chose the test P. I personally like to play with the tren dose and find the sweet spot. It's very difficult to do that with tren E as the changes are not noticed for several days. Also depending where you get it, it may be way under dosed or right on unless you get it tested there is no way to know the potency. Some tren I was able to do 600mg a week others 400 another reason to use the tren A instead of the tren E. only way I would use tren E was if I knew 100% that it was dosed accurately. So I couldn't accidentally send myself into paranoid sweaty mess by over dosing.

Also I always hesitate to state what exact MG a week I will load on the tren. think of the 300 a week as a starting point. after 2 weeks add another 100mg do that for a week and see how it goes. If your still tolerating it add another 100mg. You will find out in a few weeks where your threshold is for that particular batch of tren.

 

[Jdubfrost]

Yeah that's what I'm going to do cause I've heard the tren I have is the real deal.

 

[Jdubfrost]

*the tren I'm gonna get I mean. I'm slit tale anxious I think.

 

[Woe]

People are dofferemt, but imo test being higher than tren is asking for trouble. ..
Shouldn't need caber if estrogen stays in check

 

[Woe]

If you really wanna take liv.52 get yourself some udca from iml research chems.
Why dbol? Why not tbol, winny or var?
What's the purpose of this cycle? Goals ?

 

[Jdubfrost]

Test is going to be lower than tren. I could be wrong but I thought that estrogen and prolactin are completely different. How would keeping estrogen low affect the prolactin. My goals for the cycle is to put on a little mass but keep it lean. All steroids aid in doing this and of course I know dbol can make you retain a lot of water but for me I looked even more shredded cause I hold water in my muscle not under my skin. And I love the pumps and aggression in the gym that I get with it too. I also don't want to add more than one new compound this cycle and since I know dbol works well for me with almost no sides I'm gonna add it. In the future I'll try Tbiol though.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Estrogen and prolactin are two different things. The issue is Deca and tren can raise prolactin levels. High prolactin levels on their own is not ideal but not the end of the world. When you combine high prolactin levels with high fluctuating levels of Estrogen it is possible it could trigger your mammary glands to lactate. Which will make them swell and be tender and produce milk. Not what we want at all.

So controlling your estrogen with very consistent and accurate administration of a proper AI is extremely important. You keep your E levels low and not roller coasting then there will be no trouble from elevated prolactin levels.

Nothing wrong with D bol. If it works for you, go for it. 6-8 weeks max and run a liver support supp. Take only enough to get the pump and aggression you need. I like d bol but the one thing I will say is I like long sets with lots of reps. The pump you get from d bol makes these types of sets very painful. So I save it for my heavy low rep days. Reps trigger hypertrophy (muscle size growth) reps, reps, and more reps. I can do 315 for 12 reps on bench but personally I find it more impressive to see someone do 225 for 30 plus reps.

 

[Jdubfrost]

Interesting k I'll keep that e under control. I'm also not taking the dbol after all but might be throwing superdrol in at the end if all goes well to that point. Thanks for the info

 

[Woe]

SoCal has got it. Keep that E in control and you're g2g my man. Never skimp on AI. More and more I've become a huge advocate of pharma grade AI. The RC shit these days are so hit and miss. Better off knowing it's legit from the get go. If sides get out control you'll be fucked.

 

[Jdubfrost]

Yeah my first cycle was the only time I used rc arimidex i only use real ai's now.

 

[Jdubfrost]

Does it take an oral the same amount of time to kick in at the end of a cycle or is it a shorter wait than when you kickstart your cycle

 

[VapeHead]

Keep it as simple as possible. Caber & nolva - put on standby IMO. I like the low dose Hcg 2-3x/wk