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Next cycle, test. tren, dbol, thoughts please

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After much research I have decided to utilize heavyiron's protocol of:

Week 1-6 500mg Test E
Week 7 750mg TE
Week 8 1 gram TE
Week 9 1 gram TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 10 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 11 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 12 1,500mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 13 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily

Prolactrone duirng, adex 1mg during, HCG started at week 2 at 500ius x 2 per up to and inculding week 13, no PCT as i will be cruising at 250 mgs until next cycle.

I am currently 33, 255lbs. BF around 12-15%.

Questions:

1. Do i need to run prami during. I have read this
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/125866-paranoid-should-i-run-some-nolva.html

and wanted some more thoughts.

2. Any changes or additions?


Thanks for the help.
 
It's a wild run. You may not be able to handle that much gear come week 10 - I didnt.

I would recommend taking cialias for BP
 
Sorry for the stupid question, but english it's not my natural language :) what's BP?
 
BP is blood pressure :thumb:
 
Carrying too much weight it was uncomfortable. I hit 250 lbs!

Breathlessness just by walking, cronic sleep apnea. Tried upping AI and cialias to control BP and water but it didn't help.

I think the cycle is probably manageable for a vet user, not for a novice.
 
theCaptn' said:
Carrying too much weight it was uncomfortable. I hit 250 lbs!

Breathlessness just by walking, cronic sleep apnea. Tried upping AI and cialias to control BP and water but it didn't help.

I think the cycle is probably manageable for a vet user, not for a novice.
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Thanks for the info. I'll watch my BP.
 
Fuck that run dude. Run the test at LEAST 2 weeks longer than the tren. This has helped me recover much faster and use prop for shit's sake.
 
SloppyJ said:
Fuck that run dude. Run the test at LEAST 2 weeks longer than the tren. This has helped me recover much faster and use prop for shit's sake.
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Ill be cruisng after week 13 into next cycle. Will that suffice as running the test 2 weeks longer than the tren?
 
You are going to be JACKED man, if your diet is right, along with proper recovery. At a fairly lean 250 lbs to start. A lot of people can only wish for that. Right on brother! Best wishes. Focus on goals .
 
I like caber waaaaaay more than prami. Prami made me groggy as FUCK and caber just take twice a week (for me anyway)

Other than that looks badass. Never tried prolacterone
 
theCaptn' said:
Carrying too much weight it was uncomfortable. I hit 250 lbs!

Breathlessness just by walking, cronic sleep apnea. Tried upping AI and cialias to control BP and water but it didn't help.

I think the cycle is probably manageable for a vet user, not for a novice.
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I almost hit 240 and sleep apnea was in full force! Trying to tie my shoes sitting sucked lol!
 
I would advise don't just jump to doses that someone else did. Use enough to get results and not more. it will just cause sides and you'll just piss and shit out the extra all for nothing but feeling shitty.
 
THEWIZARDOFKOZ said:
After much research I have decided to utilize heavyiron's protocol of:

Week 1-6 500mg Test E
Week 7 750mg TE
Week 8 1 gram TE
Week 9 1 gram TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 10 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 11 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 12 1,500mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 13 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily

Prolactrone duirng, adex 1mg during, HCG started at week 2 at 500ius x 2 per up to and inculding week 13, no PCT as i will be cruising at 250 mgs until next cycle.

I am currently 33, 255lbs. BF around 12-15%.

Questions:

1. Do i need to run prami during. I have read this
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/125866-paranoid-should-i-run-some-nolva.html

and wanted some more thoughts.

2. Any changes or additions?


Thanks for the help.
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I wouldnt use prami. My choice would be cabergoline @ .5mgs 2x wkly.
As for the blood pressure I use cardura @ 1mg per day. It's a blood pressure med and thats the lowest dose avasilable. I spoke to a doctor about it and she said it's fine for my useage.
I plan on doing a cycle similiar to yours but I am taking tren E instead of ace and useing D-bol for a front & rear kicker.
If you want to read about cardura and need to know where to get it PM me. Cialis would be fine and you may need it anyway with those doses. I use sildenafil citrate if I need the extra boost in the bedroom OR I just want a bit of extra fun.
But cabergoline has some great sexual benifits I think you will enjoy.
For example, you are harder, can do it more frequently and have more volume on your loads. I love the stuff. Add that with some sildenafil and your set my man. LOL
I would have to agree with a previous poster though as I think your doses are a bit high.
I wouldnt need nearly that much to get crazy strong and avoid some possible sides.
 
THEWIZARDOFKOZ said:
After much research I have decided to utilize heavyiron's protocol of:

Week 1-6 500mg Test E
Week 7 750mg TE
Week 8 1 gram TE
Week 9 1 gram TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 10 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 25mg D-bol daily
Week 11 1,250mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 12 1,500mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily
Week 13 350mg Tren Ace / 50mg D-bol daily

Prolactrone duirng, adex 1mg during, HCG started at week 2 at 500ius x 2 per up to and inculding week 13, no PCT as i will be cruising at 250 mgs until next cycle.

I am currently 33, 255lbs. BF around 12-15%.

Questions:

1. Do i need to run prami during. I have read this
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/125866-paranoid-should-i-run-some-nolva.html

and wanted some more thoughts.

2. Any changes or additions?


Thanks for the help.
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Looks like a great cycle to me. For the prami and hell, even the adex, I wouln't even use them unles you need them. Are you sensitive to estrogen? Do you get bloodwork done to check your estro levels? Do you have prolactin related gyno or gyno flare ups? I would have them just in case, but not actually use them unless you need them, just my opinion. Keep in mind that I am not sensitive to estrogen or prolactin issues though.
 
Glycomann said:
I would advise don't just jump to doses that someone else did. Use enough to get results and not more. it will just cause sides and you'll just piss and shit out the extra all for nothing but feeling shitty.
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You said it better than I did bro
 
Roaddkingg said:
I wouldnt use prami. My choice would be cabergoline @ .5mgs 2x wkly.
As for the blood pressure I use cardura @ 1mg per day. It's a blood pressure med and thats the lowest dose avasilable. I spoke to a doctor about it and she said it's fine for my useage.
I plan on doing a cycle similiar to yours but I am taking tren E instead of ace and useing D-bol for a front & rear kicker.
If you want to read about cardura and need to know where to get it PM me. Cialis would be fine and you may need it anyway with those doses. I use sildenafil citrate if I need the extra boost in the bedroom OR I just want a bit of extra fun.
But cabergoline has some great sexual benifits I think you will enjoy.
For example, you are harder, can do it more frequently and have more volume on your loads. I love the stuff. Add that with some sildenafil and your set my man. LOL
I would have to agree with a previous poster though as I think your doses are a bit high.
I wouldnt need nearly that much to get crazy strong and avoid some possible sides.
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RK,

For the caber, is that .5mgs x 2per week starting day 1 of cycle, or when i start tren. I have read many different thoughts on when to start caber.
 
With no oral front kicker.I'd run test prop for the first4-5 weeks.It takes that long for me to get up and running withe test E.Dont like waiting for my test to kick in.IMO your a lbumping your test up a little too much.I'd stick with a G to 1200.Thats plenty of test for most everybody.At the 1500 a week id expect you to be a VERY large muscluar individual.Trying very hard just to add a few pounds of muscle a cycle.Like has been said watch ur BP,bro.Good luck!
 
Rather than prop you can front load test e. your cawk will tell you when it's kicked in :)
 
theCaptn' said:
Rather than prop you can front load test e. your cawk will tell you when it's kicked in :)
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The only reson i suggested the prop was because least for me front loading dosnt seem to work that well.I typicaly feel it in week 4-5.Front loaded maybe week 3.The prop has been a better route for me.I know alot of guys that like to front load,i'm just not one of them.
 
celticthug said:
The only reson i suggested the prop was because least for me front loading dosnt seem to work that well.I typicaly feel it in week 4-5.Front loaded maybe week 3.The prop has been a better route for me.I know alot of guys that like to front load,i'm just not one of them.
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Agreed. For me as well, front loading doesn't do much at all. If i want to get things going fast, prop is the way to go.
 
juicyjay said:
Agreed. For me as well, front loading doesn't do much at all. If i want to get things going fast, prop is the way to go.
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Fair enough. I found if I frontloaded test e while taking NPP, I got no loss of libido. That's how I gauged it worked.
 
theCaptn' said:
Fair enough. I found if I frontloaded test e while taking NPP, I got no loss of libido. That's how I gauged it worked.
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Try front loading prop :D Everyone's body is different and responds differently to things, so to those reading, by all means try front loading a long ester and see if it works for you, if that's what your current goals are that is. If it doesn't work, switch to prop and see how that goes, etc. Trial and error is key my friends.
 
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