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Originally posted by Randy
The key word is more like benefit, rather than justify. They could hand out fish pills free of charge, but if the health benefits are very slim and I get fish burps, then why take em. The shelves are loaded with pills left and right. Many of them aren't worth beans... You can take them all your life and not gain any benefit despite the intended benefits. And if you do, they are not substantial enough to take them.. Like vitamin C, E, and B12, and all the common vitamins have been proven to be essential.
I don't think fish oil fits into that category... Get where I'm coming from? :)
How bout you read. :rolleyes:

Fish Oil
 
Jodi,

Ok I guess this link would convince everyone to take fish oil :). Maybe I should send it to all the stores? Maybe it will help them clear out all their shelves of fish oil pills :lol:
 
Sorry Jodi...didn't intend to be mean, just trying to drive a point that's all :shrug:
 
If you're not consuming a good food source of Omega 3 EFA's consistently, then fish oil is essential in a way; and Omega 3's are essential in every sense of the word, with fish being a great source of them.

"Pretty healthy" doesn't mean that all of your bases are covered, especially if you rely on too many protein powders, MRPs and bars.

You can also purchase a deodorized product.

The alpha-linolenic acid in flax converts to EPA and DHA, whereas fish oils contain EPA and DHA. Studies suggest that this conversion isn't efficient, either.



Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 1998;68(3):159-73.


Can adults adequately convert alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) to eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5n-3) and docosahexaenoic acid (22:6n-3)?

Gerster H.

Vitamin Research Department, F. Hoffman-Roche Ltd, Basel, Switzerland.

A diet including 2-3 portions of fatty fish per week, which corresponds to the intake of 1.25 g EPA (20:5n-3) + DHA (22:6n-3) per day, has been officially recommended on the basis of epidemiological findings showing a beneficial role of these n-3 long-chain PUFA in the prevention of cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases. The parent fatty acid ALA (18:3n-3), found in vegetable oils such as flaxseed or rapeseed oil, is used by the human organism partly as a source of energy, partly as a precursor of the metabolites, but the degree of conversion appears to be unreliable and restricted. More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted. The use of ALA labelled with radioisotopes suggested that with a background diet high in saturated fat conversion to long-chain metabolites is approximately 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA. With a diet rich in n-6 PUFA, conversion is reduced by 40 to 50%. It is thus reasonable to observe an n-6/n-3 PUFA ratio not exceeding 4-6. Restricted conversion to DHA may be critical since evidence has been increasing that this long-chain metabolite has an autonomous function, e.g. in the brain, retina and spermatozoa where it is the most prominent fatty acid. In neonates deficiency is associated with visual impairment, abnormalities in the electroretinogram and delayed cognitive development. In adults the potential role of DHA in neurological function still needs to be investigated in depth. Regarding cardiovascular risk factors DHA has been shown to reduce triglyceride concentrations. These findings indicate that future attention will have to focus on the adequate provision of DHA which can reliably be achieved only with the supply of the preformed long-chain metabolite.

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PMID: 9637947 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
In my research, again many say that healthy people with no weight problems who are actively exercising stands much less to gain from the benefits of fish oil. I myself don't fall into any of the risk or concern categories below.

Reliable and relatively consistent scientific data showing a substantial health benefit are those with the following health concerns:

Crohn???s disease (enteric-coated, free-fatty-acid form of fish oil)
High blood pressure
High triglycerides
Rheumatoid arthritis

Contradictory, insufficient, or preliminary studies suggesting a health benefit or minimal health benefit:
Asthma
Atherosclerosis
Bipolar disorder
Breast-feeding support
Cardiac arrhythmia
Cystic fibrosis (EPA)
Depression
Eczema
Heart attack
Immune function (omega-3 fatty acids for critically ill and post surgery patients only)
Kidney disease
Lupus
Osteoporosis (in combination with evening primrose oil)
Phenylketonuria (if deficient in polyunsaturated fatty acids)
Pre- and post-surgery health
Pregnancy and postpartum support (to prevent premature delivery)
Psoriasis
Raynaud???s disease
Schizophrenia
Sickle cell anemia
Ulcerative colitis

An herb is primarily supported by traditional use, or the herb or supplement has little scientific support and/or minimal health benefit:

Angina
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
Colon cancer (reduces risk)
Diabetes
Dysmenorrhea (painful menstruation)
Endometriosis
Glaucoma
Migraine headaches
Multiple sclerosis
Osteoarthritis
Osteoporosis
Photosensitivity
Preeclampsia
 
OMG :shake:

Apparantely you don't understand WHY you need EFA's.

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Essential Fatty Acids

Essential fatty acids (EFAs): are fats that are essential to the diet because the body cannot produce them. Essential fatty acids are extremely important nutrients for health. They are present in every healthy cell in the body, and are critical for the normal growth and functioning of the cells, muscles, nerves, and organs. EFAs are also used by the body to produce a class of hormone-like substances called prostaglandins, which are key to many important processes. Deficiencies of EFAs are linked to a variety of health problems, including major ones such as heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. It has been estimated that as high as 80% of the American population may consume insufficient quantities of EFAs.

Very few health issues have received as much attention during the past several decades as the question of fat in the diet. Sixty-eight percent of mortalities in America are related to fat consumption and diet, including heart disease (44% of deaths), cancer (22%) and diabetes (2%). There are several types of dietary fats. Saturated fat is found mainly in animal products, including meat and dairy products, and avocados, and nuts. Cholesterol is a dietary fat that is only found in animal products. Cholesterol is also made by the body in small amounts from saturated fats. Heavy consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol has been linked to heart disease and cancer. Unsaturated fats are typically oils from vegetables, nuts, and are present in some fish. These are considered the healthiest dietary fats. Essential fatty acids are unsaturated fats. EFAs are the only fats that may need to be increased in the American diet.

Scientists classify essential fatty acids into two types, omega 3 fatty acids and omega-6 fatty acids, depending on their chemical composition. Technically, the omega-3 fatty acids are alpha-linolenic acid, stearidonic acid, and two others called EPA and DHA. Alpha-linolenic acid is found mainly in flaxseed oil, canola oil, soybeans, walnuts, hemp seeds, and dark green leafy vegetables. Stearidonic acid is found in rarer types of seeds and nuts, including black currant seeds. EPA and DHA are present in cold-water fish, including salmon, trout, sardines, mackerel and cod. Cod liver oil is a popular nutritional supplement for omega-3 EFAs.

Omega-6 fatty acids are more common in the American diet than the omega-3 EFAs. These include linoleic acid, which is found in safflower, olive, almond, sunflower, hemp, soybean, walnut, pumpkin, sesame, and flaxseed oils. Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) is found in some seeds and evening primrose oil. Arachidonic acid (AA) is present in meat and animal products.

Both types of EFAs, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, are necessary in a healthy diet. Deficiencies of EFAs have been brought about by changes in diet and the modern processing of foods and oils. Many nutritionists believe that a major dietary problem is the use of hydrogenated oils, which are present in margarine and many processed foods. Hydrogenated oils are highly refined by industrial processes, and contain toxic by-products and trans-fatty acids. Trans-fatty acids are fat molecules with chemically altered structures, and are believed to have several detrimental effects on the body. Trans-fatty acids interfere with the absorption of healthy EFAs, and may contribute to atherosclerosis, or damage to the arteries. Deep-fried foods, which are cooked in oil that is altered by very high temperatures, also contain trans-fatty acids. Many health professionals, including those at the World Heath Organization, have protested against the use of hydrogenated oils in food and the consumption of trans-fatty acids. Health conditions linked to the consumption of trans-fatty acids and hydrogenated oils include cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, diabetes, obesity, immune system disorders, decreased sperm counts, and infant development problems.

Dietary changes that have contributed to EFA deficiency or imbalances include the increased use of oils that contain few or no omega-3 EFAs; the industrial milling of flour that removes the EFA-containing germ; the increase of sugar and fried foods in the diet that may interfere with the body's absorption of EFAs; and the decreased consumption of fish.

A balance of omega-3 and omega-6 EFAs in the diet is recommended by experts. Americans typically consume higher quantities of omega-6 EFAs, because these are found in meat, animal products, and common cooking oils. Research has shown that too many omega-6 EFAs in the diet can lead to the imbalanced production of prostaglandins, which may contribute to health problems. Experts recommend that omega-3 and omega-6 EFAs be present in the diet in a ratio of around one to three. Americans consume a ratio as high as one to 40. Thus, the need for greater amounts of omega-3 EFAs in the diet has increased.

Symptoms of EFA deficiency or imbalance include dry or scaly skin, excessively dry hair, cracked fingernails, fatigue, weakness, frequent infections, allergies, mood disorders, hyperactivity, depression, memory and learning problems, slow wound healing, aching joints, poor digestion, high blood pressure, obesity, and high cholesterol.

General use
EFA supplementation is recommended for over 60 health conditions. EFAs are used therapeutically to treat and to prevent cardiovascular problems, including heart disease, high cholesterol, strokes, and high blood pressure. EFAs also have anti-inflammatory effects in the body, and are used in the nutritional treatment of arthritis, asthma, allergies, and skin conditions (e.g., eczema). EFAs are used as support for immune system disorders including AIDS, multiple sclerosis, lupus, and cancer.

Other conditions that may improve with EFA supplementation include acne and other skin problems, diabetes, depression, menopausal problems, nervous conditions, obesity, memory and learning disabilities, eye problems, and digestive disorders. EFAs are recommended for weight loss programs, as they may assist fat metabolism in the body. EFA supplementation is a recommended preventative practice, as well.

Preparations
Common EFA supplements are flaxseed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil, black currant seed oil, hemp seed oil, and cod liver oil. Consumers should search for supplements that contain both omega-3 and omega-6 EFAs, because imbalances of EFAs may occur if either is taken in excess over long periods of time. Flaxseed oil is a recommended supplement, because it contains the highest percentage of omega-3 fatty acids with some omega-6 EFAs, as well. Flaxseed oil is generally the least expensive source of omega-3 EFAs as well, generally much cheaper than fish oil supplements. Evening primrose oil is a popular supplement as well, because the GLA it contains has shown benefits in treating premenstrual syndrome and other conditions. However, evening primrose oil contains no omega-3 EFAs. Hemp seed oil is a well-balanced source of both EFAs.

Supplements are available from health food stores in liquid and capsule form. The recommended daily dosage is one to two tablespoons (13-26 capsules), taken with meals. EFAs can also be obtained from a diet that includes cold-water fish consumed twice per week, whole grains, dark green leafy vegetables, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, wheat germ, soy products, canola oil, and other foods mentioned above. Whole flaxseeds are a wholesome source of EFAs as well, and can be freshly ground and added to salads and other dishes.

Precautions
EFA supplements are generally fragile products, and must be produced, packaged and handled properly. Consumers should search for quality EFA supplements produced by reputable manufacturers. Products that are organically grown and certified by a third party are recommended. EFA products should be produced by "cold or modified expeller pressing," which means that they were produced without damaging temperatures or pressure. Products should be packaged in light-resistant containers, because sunlight damages EFAs. Packages should include manufacturing and use-by dates on them, in order to assure freshness. Stores and consumers should keep EFA products under refrigeration, because heat damages them, as well. Taste can indicate the quality of EFA oils: those that have no flavor usually are overly refined, and those that taste bitter are old or spoiled. Because of their low temperature threshold, nearly all the oils that are used as EFA supplements are not suitable for use as cooking oils.

Side effects
Side effects with most EFA supplements are rare, because EFAs are nontoxic and are used by the body as energy when taken in excess. The exception is cod liver and fish oil supplements, which can cause vitamin A and D toxicity when taken in excess. Side effects of vitamin A and D toxicity include headaches, skin discoloration, fatigue, nausea, and gastrointestinal problems. Fish oil supplements that have vitamins A and D removed are available.

Interactions
To maximize the benefits of EFA supplements, several recommendations can be followed. EFA users should reduce the amount of fat, particularly saturated fat from animal products, in their diet. The American Heart Association recommends that a healthy diet contains 30% or less of its total calories from fat. For 2000 total calories per day, 600 calories or less should be from fat, including EFA supplements. Consumers should also completely eliminate hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils from their diets. This includes eliminating all processed foods that contain them, such as margarine and many packaged foods. Other foods that contain trans-fatty acids, such as deep fried foods, should also be eliminated. Recommended cooking oils are olive, safflower, canola, and sesame oils. EFA effectiveness may be increased by lowering the intake of sugar and alcohol in the diet. Nutrients that assist EFA uptake are the B-complex vitamins, vitamin C, zinc, and magnesium. As with any supplement, EFA effectiveness can be augmented with a nutritious, high fiber diet that emphasizes fresh and natural foods, and the intake of fish two times a week.

Key Terms
Atherosclerosis
Hardening of the arteries.
Cholesterol
A steroid fat found in animal foods that is also produced in the body for several important functions. Excess cholesterol intake is linked to many diseases.
Hydrogenated fat
An unsaturated fat, commonly vegetable oil, that is processed with high heat and hydrogen to make it solid at room temperature. Margarine is a common hydrogenated fat.
Trans-fatty acid
A toxic type of fat created by hydrogenating oils and by deep frying foods.
 
There has to be a source of EFA's in your diet. Fish oils, or some supplemental source of omega 3's are necessary if you're not getting an adequate amount from your foods.

We're not necessarily speaking of fish oils as a treatment, or in amounts more than what a person needs in order to obtain their omega 3's.

End of story, and you will take it however it is you wish.
 
OMG Jodi, doesn't everyone in this world know why your body needs EFA's? :lol:

Well Jodi, I do read just as you do. I can also cut and paste information on a variety of subjects just as you did here. Don't you think I know enough to go out on the web and search for "Fish Oil"? I can pull 1000 articles... I'm not saying fish oil is not good for people to take as a supplement. I'm just saying that it may not be neccessary for some to take it. Like me for instance. I eat fish regularly each week. I am healthy with no weight problems or cardiovascular problems. I feel that I don't need to take fish pills Jodi. That is all I'm saying. I don't need a mile long fish oil link from you. I have read many of them :D
 
It depends on what kind of fish your eating. If you are eating lots of cold water fish like Salmon then you probably don't need fish oil. BUT most people don't eat salmon 3-4 times a week therefore fish oil supplementations would take care of that.

Oh and I post the links so people can learn. Thats why they come here instead of browsing the internet. Because we've provided alot of info here.
 
Dante,

I agree. I didn't mean to suggest that is the only reason for taking fish oil supplements whether you fall into one of the health risk areas that I mentioned. I understand that one needs EFA's in their diet for adequate health purposes. :)

Originally posted by Dante B.
There has to be a source of EFA's in your diet. Fish oils, or some supplemental source of omega 3's are necessary if you're not getting an adequate amount from your foods.

We're not necessarily speaking of fish oils as a treatment, or in amounts more than what a person needs in order to obtain their omega 3's.

End of story, and you will take it however it is you wish.
 
Yes, I eat lots of salmon Jodi each week. I make that a regular necessity on my grocery list at Costco... You get a bundle of fresh salmon there for very reasonable prices.

And as for sending links for learning. That is a nice thing Jodi.
But when someone asks a specific question, and you drop a 2000 word link at them it does not provide a lot of help. Like I said, anyone can pull down links off the web. Posting broad information about a subject does not answer specific questions.
But based on my readings, I have concluded that I don't need fish oil.

Originally posted by Jodi
It depends on what kind of fish your eating. If you are eating lots of cold water fish like Salmon then you probably don't need fish oil. BUT most people don't eat salmon 3-4 times a week therefore fish oil supplementations would take care of that.

Oh and I post the links so people can learn. Thats why they come here instead of browsing the internet. Because we've provided alot of info here.
 
Your question was, what are the benefits of fish oil. So the link explains the benefits.
 
That was only one question Jodi...

Here were the other questions that the link didn't directly answer:

Now if you have no history of heart problems, do you really need fish oil? What is the common reason for getting heart attacks and strokes? I believe unhealthy eating of fat and high cholestorol foods contribute greatly to this.


Originally posted by Jodi
Your question was, what are the benefits of fish oil. So the link explains the benefits.
 
I can give you a link that will :funny:
 
Jodi Jodi Jodi :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

Oh by the way, I like your new picture... :) It's a good change.
 
Thank you
 
Is canned salmon a nutritious source of fish oils? Personally I'm already consuming upwards of 15 caps a day, with a can of pink, wild salmon thrown in there too. I like the calcium I get from the soft bones.

Peace.
 
Yes, canned is good too. Of course nothing beats fresh though.

Personally I hate salmon
 
Jodi Jodi Jodi..you crazy woman, salmon is awesome! heh but then again it was you that liked it raw! ick!
 
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Salmon is especially good smoked :lick:
 
I can't stand the fish burps, I just take flax through the day then take the fish oil caps last meal and they don't bother me.
 
Originally posted by atherjen
Jodi Jodi Jodi..you crazy woman, salmon is awesome! heh but then again it was you that liked it raw! ick!
Cooked Salmon is too fishy :barf:

It only tastes good raw :shrug:
 
Not to fishy if it's fresh... Try the Costco stuff.. Just have to season in for good flavor.
 
Originally posted by Randy
Not to fishy if it's fresh... Try the Costco stuff.. Just have to season in for good flavor.
I guess living on the East Coast all my life I'm picky. I'll eat lots of various fresh seafood but I always find Salmon nasty if its cooked. I've tried it several times and it doesn't matter, its only good raw :shrug:

I'm going to miss seafood when I move :( Ah well, small price to pay. I'll just have my family ship me fresh lobsters :lol:
 
Lobsters is my favorite .... Can't beat lobster
But never a raw fish eater <blah> no sushi for me...
 
Salmon reminds me of the canned food I used to feed my cat, blah!:barf: I wont touch the stuff!
 
Originally posted by Jill
Salmon reminds me of the canned food I used to feed my cat, blah!:barf: I wont touch the stuff!
:haha: I hear that. FISHY and I love fish. :shrug:

Hell, I've eaten just about every thing in the ocean you can think of :laugh: most of it I like too. :p
 
Salmon is the best food on earth, I swear, there isn't a fish that I like better. Well maybe rainbow trout is a reasonable substitute, but salmon pan-seared with pepper, some sauteed garlic and some lemon juice is simple, but amazingly nutritious and really is my favourite meal. Salmon teriyaki is bomb too.

I also love haddock, bluefish, cod, smelts (smelts pan-fried in coconut oil is one of my favourites if on CKD, I love the fact that you can eat the bones), stonefish, shark steaks (eat these all the time, marlin steaks are even better), tuna steaks, mahi mahi (second only to salmon really), yellowfish, swordfish, etc. etc. Has anyone tried sea urchins? AMAZING stuff, I love surf clams, too.

Seafood is the best thing to ever happen to cuisine and food in general. There's nothing like some good sashimi grade ahi tuna or salmon with some wasabi, toasted sesame oil and low sodium shoyu or tamari rubbed on it. Very $$$$ though.

On another note, I've never had fishy burps. It makes me question the quality of my product. I use the highest grade/concentration of EPA/DHA deep sea fish oil caps, though, so I dunno. I find that fish oil caps are actually more economical than flax here, in Chinatown they sell them for REAL cheap, and obviously the benefits fish oil has in comparison to flax and hemp in affecting leptin levels etc. far outweigh any other EFA supplement. Udo's is still the best though, I feel.

Peace.
 
Agree Fish Oil is the best and I also agree that seafood is the best. :thumbs:

I still hate salmon though :barf:

Have you ever tried octopus. I tried it raw a few weeks ago, it was pretty good :)
 
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