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Sure did. Biggest thing is getting in the sleep, and ramping up the calories. I was on a MWF schedule but because the routines are very high intensity you burn through more calories than that of a 5 day( for me at least). You hit the same body part with different rotations 3 times within 10 days. When you get it all right, it works wonders. The forced stretches help alot too.

How strict are you with the eccentric timing? I usually hit around 3 seconds. I have not been exactly willing to drop the weights to get any more than that. Reason being that I have been lifting with high intensity for a while and feel that if I drop the weight strictly for an extended eccentric time, my gains will drop since the intensity would decrease.
 
How strict are you with the eccentric timing? I usually hit around 3 seconds. I have not been exactly willing to drop the weights to get any more than that. Reason being that I have been lifting with high intensity for a while and feel that if I drop the weight strictly for an extended eccentric time, my gains will drop since the intensity would decrease.
Prolly around 2-3 seconds. I really dont count. I focus mainly on a full ROM and pausing at the "sticking" then exploding up. Squats are prolly the one exercise i slow down on in the negative phase the most, due to the fact that a faster tempo usually leads to bouncing when exhaustion is nearing.
 
I believe you do a 20 rep squat in DC training. It would be like one long squat with several rest-pauses. After the squat you could FST-7 with leg extensions to get a good pump.
 
I believe you do a 20 rep squat in DC training. It would be like one long squat with several rest-pauses. After the squat you could FST-7 with leg extensions to get a good pump.

:coffee:
 
Question for everyone:

Now, even though the emphasis is on the set of squats, I still want to make progress on everything else. As painful as that set is going to be, I can't imagine it being the whole workout (did I just open the door to some flaming?).

Now, I have only 2 months left for bulking before I go for my first ever cut. I want to put on as much size and strength as possible. I figure with this new 3 day split it would be a good opportunity to stay in lower rep ranges more often. I always incorporate non-linear periodization but go higher than 80-85% only about 25% of the time (so as to get a nice balance). However, now I need mass....and lots of it.

That being said, how can I incorporate non-linear periodization but stay in the mass/strength rep range for this program? (of course, the squats remain as are, but the other lifts I can periodize). Would this be too much on my CNS to stay in low reps for 6 weeks? Or, can I work in that rep range for, say, 75% of the time?

Ideas?

How about trying DC? I started this last week and brk nemisis is starting another cycle also. It also has the breathing squats in there as a part of the program.

You started the squat program on march 2. How did the first bout go??
 
Any updates?

I added 5 more pounds (now at 240#). Made it thru the set. I am still not sure on the eccentric timing and its importance. I am keeping about 2-3 seconds in the first 10 reps but after that it falls to about 1 sec. I dont bounced off the bottom and I keep good form with controlled movements but I just cant slow down the weight due to fatigue, not wanting to get stuck in the hole (I don't have a spotter) and the thought of only being half way there at ten. What timing should be achieved? Gaz? Nemisis?

What are you doing Phineas? Haven't heard from you in a while.
 
Nice work so far, dude! Good job! How does it feel?

I didn't really pay a lot of attention to the timing so long as it was a controlled and safe rep. How many breaths are you taking at this point in the set? Is it your legs giving out, or your trunk's ability to simply hold the weight?
 
Prior to the set, I tend to feel anxious and think about the set alot even as far out as the day before. After the set, I feel like I just carved Mount Rushmore with my cock. I have notice an increase in testosterone activity since I started doing them as well.

Knowing the onslaught I am about to endure, especially starting at the 15th rep, I take about 3-4 deep breaths during reps 1 to 10 and from there the breaths escalate and around the 16th rep I am taking about 10 seconds to druel and pant and curse at the weights a bit (wife compares it to labor) between reps.

The main muscular exhaustion is in my lumbar region. I do have to say that I do not feel as much of an attack on my quads as I did with 4x8 of higher intensity. However, my body and mind as a whole did not take the beating that it does with 1x20. Perhaps, this is what makes this style so effective. I should also mention that 235# posed a greater challenge to me then 240# did. But I had a spotter with 240# nagging me from behind.

To recap my typical 1x20:
Warm up:135#1x10, 205#-1x6, 235#-1x4, 240#-1x1.
Note that I increase warmups the same amount of weight as I do the working set.
Working set:currently 240#-1x20.

Tempo: First 10 reps-2-3/1/0 changing to 1/1/0 in the second half.

Set duration: Currently about 3 minutes.

Failure mode: If there was a faliure, it would be due to my upper body and my CV system, or just flat out passing the fuck out

I was thinking about stopping just short of lockout during the breathing phase of the set. I just don't think its fair to my torso to have to hold all that weight stable while my quads get to lock out and take a break.

What you think about the tempo, breathing time, set time, and not locking out?
 
Prior to the set, I tend to feel anxious and think about the set alot even as far out as the day before. After the set, I feel like I just carved Mount Rushmore with my cock. I have notice an increase in testosterone activity since I started doing them as well.

Right on. I have trouble sleeping the night before breathing squats, its not even funny. Afterwards you feel completely destroyed, but on top of the world when you realise what you just accomplished. Its awesome.

Knowing the onslaught I am about to endure, especially starting at the 15th rep, I take about 3-4 deep breaths during reps 1 to 10 and from there the breaths escalate and around the 16th rep I am taking about 10 seconds to druel and pant and curse at the weights a bit (wife compares it to labor) between reps.

This sounds great, i think you have the intensity and control of the set down-pat. The thing i found strange is that no matter how much you increase the weight on this program, its always around the 15th rep where the "fun" starts. After a few weeks you're squatting a good 30lbs more than at the beginning, but it still gets hard at the same point in the set.

So long as you keep this sort of attention on your breathing and taking your time with the reps, you will complete the set and will be able to add the weight every time.

The main muscular exhaustion is in my lumbar region. I do have to say that I do not feel as much of an attack on my quads as I did with 4x8 of higher intensity. However, my body and mind as a whole did not take the beating that it does with 1x20. Perhaps, this is what makes this style so effective. I should also mention that 235# posed a greater challenge to me then 240# did. But I had a spotter with 240# nagging me from behind.

I found it really hit my quads hard, but like you said most of the stress was in the back really. Are you keeping your core nice and tight throughout the whole set?

I know theres a lot more to concentrate on when you get near the big 20, but i found that helped take some of the stress off my lower back.

Having a spotter who isn't afraid to tear into you like a drill sergeant is a pretty big element when things start getting tough. I always do better with these squats when theres somebody yelling at me.

20 Rep Squats are pretty much all a mental game. Anything that keeps you focused and fired up is going to help. Im pretty sure if there was a gun to your head you could do 30 reps if you had to, its just finding that motivation.

To recap my typical 1x20:
Warm up:135#1x10, 205#-1x6, 235#-1x4, 240#-1x1.
Note that I increase warmups the same amount of weight as I do the working set.
Working set:currently 240#-1x20.

Tempo: First 10 reps-2-3/1/0 changing to 1/1/0 in the second half.

Set duration: Currently about 3 minutes.

Failure mode: If there was a faliure, it would be due to my upper body and my CV system, or just flat out passing the fuck out

The warmups look good, and don't seem like they'll be fatiguing you (this is a big problem with some people, their warmups drain their main set!).

I was thinking about stopping just short of lockout during the breathing phase of the set. I just don't think its fair to my torso to have to hold all that weight stable while my quads get to lock out and take a break.

What you think about the tempo, breathing time, set time, and not locking out?

Honestly, using tempo for the first half of the set before you start tanking out is something i've never thought of, but i like it. The quads rarely fail on this despite the crazy fucking volume, and this seems like a good way to accomplish a longer set length, and bring the quads into play a lot more.

With the not locking out thing, i think the last thing you want is to tire the quads out too much, and while taking the deep breaths i think you need to be as stable as possible, which might be compromised by keeping your knees to soft.

The rest of your setup looks fucking solid though, man. Well done! Set length looks good, the tempo element you've put into it sounds great, and your breathing is doing just enough to let you finish your sets and add more weight.

How are your results looking in terms of mass gains or strength gains in other areas?
 
Sweet! I feel alot more confident in what I am doing now.

How are your results looking in terms of mass gains or strength gains in other areas?

I am not sure if they are related, but the other day I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror, and my shoulders looked to be much broader. It is so hard to visually tell you're packing on the mass when you see yourself all the time. I can say this though, my close fit tighter this week than they did last. Also, I have been adding reps and weight to all my lifts, especially deads.

Gaz,
What type of training are you on right now?
 
I am not sure if they are related, but the other day I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror, and my shoulders looked to be much broader. It is so hard to visually tell you're packing on the mass when you see yourself all the time. I can say this though, my close fit tighter this week than they did last. Also, I have been adding reps and weight to all my lifts, especially deads.

:clapping: great stuff! You might find broader shoulders are a side effect from all the breathing squats - expanding the ribcage will push your chest and shoulders out aswell.

Congrats on your results and other increases! Keep at it. As hard as it is, what you're doing is obviously working!

Gaz,
What type of training are you on right now?

At the moment doing 2-3 fullbody workouts a week focused on strength, theres some breathing squats in there too. Also doing 2 grip strength workouts a week to train up for some british grip championships either this year or next year.

Its going pretty well, my lifts are increasing pretty steadily, and i'm getting a lot more solid in terms of muscle mass. Gonna try for 25 reps with 220lbs on the squat on friday, and looking for 365lbs x 3 Deadlifts next week sometime.
 
So, you're bulking? What are your stats? When are you going to cut?
 
So, you're bulking? What are your stats? When are you going to cut?

Just finished up a proper "bulk", put on about 10lbs or something. I've pretty much been putting on weight for the last year or two though, haha :P.

Have been more focused on strength gains since january, i'm pretty happy with my size/fat now. Being cut up doesn't really interest me to be honest. I'm fine hovering around 12-15% forever, lol.
 
Is there any room for deads on this routine? I feel naked leaving them out but I really don't have the energy to do productive deads after the squats.
 
ahhh yes, the bastard of all programs. Old School training at it's finest fucking painful oblivious standpoint. I dare anyone say that they never made gains on it.
 
Is there any room for deads on this routine? I feel naked leaving them out but I really don't have the energy to do productive deads after the squats.

Yeah, i did them on mondays - same 3 set style as the other accessory.
 
ahhh yes, the bastard of all programs. Old School training at it's finest fucking painful oblivious standpoint. I dare anyone say that they never made gains on it.

I think you either make gains or have a massive coronary :P
 
incidentally, if you have problems with knees a good substitute is standard deads. I used both and found the deads put a lot more into a workout than actual squats...dont know if it is my height or what have you. I do know my body had a better physiological response to the deadlift.
 
can you alternate? my quads are too sore from monday's routine for me to do them again tommorow but I think I can manage deads.
 
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can you alternate? my quads are too sore from monday's routine for me to do them again tommorow but I think I can manage deads.

I am currently only doing the squats twice a week. On different days, I am also doing deads twice a week.

As far as using deads and squats for the 20 rep set, I don't see the deads expanding the rib cage and broadening the shoulders as much as squats. Also, with the weight being held closer to your center of gravity, I see deadlifts being less effective. But then again, I have never done a 20 rep set of heavy deads.
 
I am currently only doing the squats twice a week. On different days, I am also doing deads twice a week.

As far as using deads and squats for the 20 rep set, I don't see the deads expanding the rib cage and broadening the shoulders as much as squats. Also, with the weight being held closer to your center of gravity, I see deadlifts being less effective. But then again, I have never done a 20 rep set of heavy deads.

I'd rather do the squats too, but my quads are still sore. Sqauats are out of the picture so I'll go for the next best. However, I find deads more dangerous than squats at high reps, so I might just do the 3x6-8 for today with dips and chin ups then resume the routine on friday. I think I'm going to have to cycle like this because my legs are awful at recovery.
 
If you want an awesome squatting program, try Smolov...
 
If you want an awesome squatting program, try Smolov...

Smolov is brutal. If anybody can make it through the advanced cycle they have my respect, it gets so damned tough its not even funny.
 
Got to 15 and had to rack it for 5 seconds (lower back fatigue) and then finished it off. It is getting a bit more challenging to slow down the eccentric portion. Encouragement from a spotter goes along way.
 
Got to 15 and had to rack it for 5 seconds (lower back fatigue) and then finished it off. It is getting a bit more challenging to slow down the eccentric portion. Encouragement from a spotter goes along way.

Nice job, man! Thats a lot of weight, especially with tempo!

Maybe as it gets heavier you should gradully phase out the tempo, reduce the extended eccentric by one second a week or something.
 
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