Your asking for trouble. Read Mudge's post above.young d said:no, its not
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front load long ester?
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young d said:well according to pirates post it would
From what I know is the ester determines when it starts to become effective in your body. So I don't get how injecting more up front is going to make it work any faster then the ester will allow. If all you have to do is inject more of a long ester for a week to get it going right away then nobody would shoot prop to get the almost instant effects.
Esters are released as time goes on, it doesn't just suddenly remove the ester and then let go of the hormone in the body. If that were the case it would be the same as taking test suspension, and enanthate would become test suspension after 5 days. So we'd still be doing daily shots.
So try it yourself, shoot 1-2 grams of test enanthate. I know for me, I will feel the gyno fairy knocking at my door damn near instantly.
Think of methylated orals. The methylation helps make them resistant to breakdown from the liver, but it does not just simply become removed and 100% of the hormone is released instantly.
So try it yourself, shoot 1-2 grams of test enanthate. I know for me, I will feel the gyno fairy knocking at my door damn near instantly.
Think of methylated orals. The methylation helps make them resistant to breakdown from the liver, but it does not just simply become removed and 100% of the hormone is released instantly.
errrr, on 2nd thoughts maybe i won't frontloadMudge said:
The ester helps ensure slower continual release, so yes front loading will raise blood levels sooner.
Everyones gyno sensativity is different, for me anything over 600mg of test or so and I have to take an aromatase inhibitor or anti-estro.
If you are doing orals I see no point in front loading, and I'd wonder where your blood pressure is already. My BP never gets "bad" but orals + front loading for some people, especially if you feel you bloat a lot, sounds like an unhealthy situation. I find orals to be very powerfull, I love them, especially drol. If they didn't hit the organs like they did I'd run them all the time.
I remember you questioning your dbol as legit or not, what do you think now?
Everyones gyno sensativity is different, for me anything over 600mg of test or so and I have to take an aromatase inhibitor or anti-estro.
If you are doing orals I see no point in front loading, and I'd wonder where your blood pressure is already. My BP never gets "bad" but orals + front loading for some people, especially if you feel you bloat a lot, sounds like an unhealthy situation. I find orals to be very powerfull, I love them, especially drol. If they didn't hit the organs like they did I'd run them all the time.
I remember you questioning your dbol as legit or not, what do you think now?
Mudge said:
Well I knew the ester didn't hold the test and let it all go at one time....But what I mean is since it slowly releases it into your body it takes a longer period of time to get blood levels up.....so front loading would get levels higher faster but overall wouldn't this method cause some very unstable levels....like very high levels for a period of time and then it would gradually taper down by the end of the cycle. I think every time you inject its like increasing the amount in your body each time since its a longer ester if you inject twice a week each time there is still some active hormone you are adding to...so if you are injecting 600mg per week by the end of 10 weeks you must have the equivalent to over a gram in your body right? Does that make sense or am I losing it? Like a built in taper up as the time goes on.
For that reason I think using prop gives you the best way to keep levels even through the whole cycle.
Prop wont ever reach the peak levels of a long ester, because it is in and out (processed) so quickly.
It may take longer for a long ester to build but ultimately levels will be plenty fine for stability, that was really what long esters were created for. An HRT patient does not want levels up and down, yet they want the ability to shoot infrequently. Front loading will simply get your blood levels up faster, but for my body its too fast when talking testosterone.
If you look at front loading on paper, it does not cause a yo-yo of very high levels and then dropping them. A 1-2 week front load of a double dose looks just dandy, or some run a little prop with their long ester for the first 1-2 weeks. I just dont bother, but I also run longer cycles, and I am not against running an oral. With an oral in the mix there is no point to running an extra gram of drugs (orals + front loaded injectables) or something to start with, it just sounds crazy, but I am not looking to go pro or anything like that either.
http://www.roidcalc.com/
It may take longer for a long ester to build but ultimately levels will be plenty fine for stability, that was really what long esters were created for. An HRT patient does not want levels up and down, yet they want the ability to shoot infrequently. Front loading will simply get your blood levels up faster, but for my body its too fast when talking testosterone.
If you look at front loading on paper, it does not cause a yo-yo of very high levels and then dropping them. A 1-2 week front load of a double dose looks just dandy, or some run a little prop with their long ester for the first 1-2 weeks. I just dont bother, but I also run longer cycles, and I am not against running an oral. With an oral in the mix there is no point to running an extra gram of drugs (orals + front loaded injectables) or something to start with, it just sounds crazy, but I am not looking to go pro or anything like that either.
http://www.roidcalc.com/
i switched onto some thais and i feel they are certainly working now, been on them for just over 2 weeks and both my weight and strength are up, pumps are very pronounced, quite a bit of lethargy too, how long till the test starts to kick in?Mudge said:
Check out the roidcalc if you like, I dont use it but some like it. If you want to play with a frontload I probably wouldn't go anymore than 50% extra, so 750/wk if you were doing 500/wk otherwise. Thats JMO though.
M1T is the only thing I've ever used that made me lethargic, but as for dbol the pink thais are definitely nice. I seem to respond relatively well to dbol. One of these days I may see how 40-50mg ED works for me.
M1T is the only thing I've ever used that made me lethargic, but as for dbol the pink thais are definitely nice. I seem to respond relatively well to dbol. One of these days I may see how 40-50mg ED works for me.
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Mudge said:
Mudge what did M1T do for you? do you think its any good?
that's what i did b/c i was a big penocha when i had to do my first injects... 1.5cc's of each for the first two shots. (that was 412.5mg Test E/ 300mg EQ each time.) i wouldn't be able to tell you if it worked. seemed like i still had to wait a good while for it to "kick." that's why i want to go to EOD's for 8 wks... seems like there would be more productive time "ON" that way vs 10-12 wks of a long ester and 8 weeks of that being productive time.Mudge said:
HardTrainer said:
Put me to sleep in the second week. I did 20mg for week 1, then 30mg for week 2. I used Legal Gear brand. It worked great for a female friend of mine @ 10mg a day, but did nothing for me.
I do know a guy who loved it though, but before M1T he was natural, with one testicle. Now he is on HRT and cycles as well.
pirate, you have to admit that with long esters, there is the feeling of "something extra" and "alright, this sh!t is on now!" 
"something extra" came at about 2-3 weeks.
"alright, this sh!t is on now!" came for me at about 5 weeks.
"something extra" came at about 2-3 weeks.
"alright, this sh!t is on now!" came for me at about 5 weeks.
this is the reason i will probably run t-prop and npp or tren ace next time.
long esters are much more appealing to me also, ED/EOD shots for 6 weeks+??? no chance!Mudge said:
if i ever run tren it will be the enan ester
I can say that on prop I felt the effects sooner, but on the enanthate I got SO damn horny by day 2-3. I was getting hard just walking around...sucked.....so that must mean even the long esters start having some effects in a short period of time.
