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willocraig said:
How am I training triceps three times a week? :confused:
What do you think pressing movements like bench presses and shoulder presses involve.
 
"Involves" being the operative word there.I am not actually concentrating on the tricep it just involves them aswell as involving other muscles like the bicep for a bench press but the main muscle being concentrated on is the chest.
 
fantasma62 said:
Yanick, I don't agree with you here. You can be destroyed right after a 30-35 minute workout and you would see a difference in your body. I did before I stopped (I am re-starting again next tuesday). A real HIT workout will be productive...

yea i agree with you that its possible to make even a 20min workout productive, but very few people can really pull it off. the workout that i keep referencing is one that i saw at p-funk's house, of Dr. Leistner. It was a real deal HIT workout, the guy did like 5 exercises no rest except for however long it took him to crawl to the next apparatus and load the plates onto it, everything taken to absolute failure, all movements were the heavy compounds (i believe he did something like OH presses, squats, round back SLDL's, Log Clean and Press and Nautilus Pullovers, Pat can verify i forgot already). The guy was seriously rolling around on the floor, and crawling to the next exercise...its really hard to picture it, you need to see it with your own eyes unfortunately the video is not available to the public as far as i know. My whole point is people think they are pushing themselves, but in reality you could always go that extra mile and thats what real HIT is all about. when you see Dr. Leistner squat, you know that he takes it to absolute failure and that if he had a gun to his head he wouldn't be able to get another rep and thats true HIT.
 
willocraig said:
"Involves" being the operative word there.I am not actually concentrating on the tricep it just involves them aswell as involving other muscles like the bicep for a bench press but the main muscle being concentrated on is the chest.
I can???t believe you???re serious, you obviously don???t know much about human anatomy, but I am sure you study FLEX mag........



The triceps get a HUGE amount of work doing bench press flat/incline/decline and shoulder presses but I suppose the operative word is that you "concentrate" on chest so you can somehow section different parts of you body from force of mind???


:hmmm: .
 
Yanick said:
yea i agree with you that its possible to make even a 20min workout productive, but very few people can really pull it off. the workout that i keep referencing is one that i saw at p-funk's house, of Dr. Leistner. It was a real deal HIT workout, the guy did like 5 exercises no rest except for however long it took him to crawl to the next apparatus and load the plates onto it, everything taken to absolute failure, all movements were the heavy compounds (i believe he did something like OH presses, squats, round back SLDL's, Log Clean and Press and Nautilus Pullovers, Pat can verify i forgot already). The guy was seriously rolling around on the floor, and crawling to the next exercise...its really hard to picture it, you need to see it with your own eyes unfortunately the video is not available to the public as far as i know. My whole point is people think they are pushing themselves, but in reality you could always go that extra mile and thats what real HIT is all about. when you see Dr. Leistner squat, you know that he takes it to absolute failure and that if he had a gun to his head he wouldn't be able to get another rep and thats true HIT.



Been awhile since I have watched the video.

At 55yrs old and 155lbs this is what his workout was as best I could remeber:

everything was one set to complete failure. And I mean total failure!!

Overhead press (locked knees, no push press, strict form)- 245/4
squats- 405/21
Round back SLDL off platform- 365/15
Log clean and press- 210/4 cleans and 2 presses
BB shrugs- 365/20
Nautalis Pullover- Don't know the weight. I believe he stacked it- 15reps
Farmers walk implent shrugs- 135lbs in each hand x 12
BB curls- 165/4

and that was it (I think). 20min long.

the best part was that in the back ground he was listening to Dion and the Drifters live!! hahaha.....He is squatting and you hear "I keep away from round around sue...hey...hey....oooohhhh....hey....hey." and then Doc scream.....FUCK! FUCK!! I got it!! I'm okay.....C'mon, do it.....FUCK FUCK......"Earth angel. Earth Angel...will you be mine.." hahahhahahhahah :laugh:
 
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Uzi9 said:
I can???t believe you???re serious, you obviously don???t know much about human anatomy, but I am sure you study FLEX mag........



The triceps get a HUGE amount of work doing bench press flat/incline/decline and shoulder presses but I suppose the operative word is that you "concentrate" on chest so you can somehow section different parts of you body from force of mind???


:hmmm: .

:wtf: Okay, alright i see were you are coming from, so how am i supposed to train my triceps without exercising on another day in other words how do i put triceps into my workout?
 
willocraig said:
:wtf: Okay, alright i see were you are coming from, so how am i supposed to train my triceps without exercising on another day in other words how do i put triceps into my workout?


you can do a few sets of direct tricep work if you want. I say, it isn't even neccessary if you are doing a bunch of compound movements though.
 
willocraig said:
:wtf: Okay, alright i see were you are coming from, so how am i supposed to train my triceps without exercising on another day in other words how do i put triceps into my workout?
Dont understand you.... all I am saying is that you are training triceps 3 times a week (2 of them indirectly, from chest day and shoulder day).

If you trained Chest and tricipes together you would only get overlap from shoulder training, and to me there`s no reason not to do chest/shoulder/triceps together (you might feel pre-exhausted and dont get so much of an ego trip from your shoulder presses but you wont get no overlap at all)

Also I agree with P-Funk that you dont have to do any tricep work... allthough a few sets wont hurt.
 
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Round back SLDL off platform- 365/15
:confused: what the?

Log clean and press- 210/4 cleans and 2 presses
what's log clean and press?

Log clean and press- 210/4 cleans and 2 presses
BB shrugs- 365/20
Farmers walk implent shrugs- 135lbs in each hand x 12
He must have had traps up to his ears
 
Yanick said:
yea i agree with you that its possible to make even a 20min workout productive, but very few people can really pull it off. the workout that i keep referencing is one that i saw at p-funk's house, of Dr. Leistner. It was a real deal HIT workout, the guy did like 5 exercises no rest except for however long it took him to crawl to the next apparatus and load the plates onto it, everything taken to absolute failure, all movements were the heavy compounds (i believe he did something like OH presses, squats, round back SLDL's, Log Clean and Press and Nautilus Pullovers, Pat can verify i forgot already). The guy was seriously rolling around on the floor, and crawling to the next exercise...its really hard to picture it, you need to see it with your own eyes unfortunately the video is not available to the public as far as i know. My whole point is people think they are pushing themselves, but in reality you could always go that extra mile and thats what real HIT is all about. when you see Dr. Leistner squat, you know that he takes it to absolute failure and that if he had a gun to his head he wouldn't be able to get another rep and thats true HIT.
I am going to have a look see at that workout. I have been reading Dr. Darden's HIT book and have had pretty good results. Interesting to see a different perspective....Thanks for the info Yanick...
 
KarlW said:
:confused: what the?


what's log clean and press?


He must have had traps up to his ears


the log is a strongman contest lift. it is really hard to clean and press since it doesn't rotate in your hand like a barbell.


what is confusing about round back deadlifts?

his traps aren't big. His is tiny. 155lbs. If he walked in a room you wouldn't even notice him, unless he was dragging a chevy truck behind him.
 
P-funk said:
the log is a strongman contest lift. it is really hard to clean and press since it doesn't rotate in your hand like a barbell.


what is confusing about round back deadlifts?

his traps aren't big. His is tiny. 155lbs. If he walked in a room you wouldn't even notice him, unless he was dragging a chevy truck behind him.
So the log is of fairly small diameter (in which case what's it made of?) or the size of a tree (in which case how do they clean it)??

Nothing confusing about RBD's, maybe I used the wrong smilie :hmmm: . What I meant was isn't round back deadlifts (IF I understand correctly) :finger: ??

Yeah, if he walked into the room with a truck I'm sure I'd notice :yes:
 
KarlW said:
So the log is of fairly small diameter (in which case what's it made of?) or the size of a tree (in which case how do they clean it)??

Nothing confusing about RBD's, maybe I used the wrong smilie :hmmm: . What I meant was isn't round back deadlifts (IF I understand correctly) :finger: ??

Yeah, if he walked into the room with a truck I'm sure I'd notice :yes:


Scroll down the page to see Corey St. Clair pressing the Log

Log press in the middle of the page


Round back dl's are fine if you are strong in that position. I mean, for a strongman competitor they have to be strong in that position to get down and pick up stones, flip tires, variues odd lift carries. So, you need to train that way to be strong that way. Obviosly it is not for the everyday person. Nor would I advise you trying it with the weight you currently SLDL with good form. You would have to start light and work up so that you are strong in that ROM.
 
Cool thanks P.

I understand the ROM thing, so is it a fallacy that rounding the back is bad for the spine itself (ie the intervertebral discs)?
 
KarlW said:
Cool thanks P.

I understand the ROM thing, so is it a fallacy that rounding the back is bad for the spine itself (ie the intervertebral discs)?


no, it isn't a fallacy. It is terrible for your spine to flex like that. the point I am trying to make is that if you can strenghten yourself in that flexed position and strenghten the tendos and muscles you have a much better chance of not injuring yourself when you go to perform these lifts were a position like that is required.
 
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