Funny analysis of Religion

[ALBOB]

Originally posted by ragingbull
one of the main points in the New Testiment is "love your neighbor as your self." If we all looked at life through those glasses, I think we would all behave a little differently.

What if you're a masochist?

Hey, don't get mad at me, SOMEBODY has to play the village idiot.


P.S. In case you're wondering, I AM taking this discussion seriously but until I can resolve a couple of conflicts in my own mind I'm just gonna play the fool.

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by ALBOB

Hey, don't get mad at me, SOMEBODY has to play the village idiot.

And you fit the bill quite nicely!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ragingbull
To our point also, I do believe that if society would look at the bible as a moral compass, we would have much less problems with our society. I say this because, one of the main points in the New Testiment is "love your neighbor as your self." If we all looked at life through those glasses, I think we would all behave a little differently.

yeah, a great example are the catholic priests that are being busted for raping little boys, can we all say pedophile?

no thanks, I will utilize my OWN moral compass.

as far as faith, yeah we all have faith in something, or maybe many things, but I was specifically talking about religeous faith.

I am done with this thread, it's fucking pissing me off, not because you don't agree with me, I couldn't care less, but because I can't debate with people that use circular arguments, it's futile.


no hard feelings though.

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by ragingbull
MMAFITER,

Bro, this is all your fault.

I know

But when you say, "It just seems that the bible is a collection of stories with grains of truth, and was meant to be used as a learning tool and moral compass." For me personally, the bible more than a moral compass, but, more of a way of life. I choose to wake up every day and believe that Christ died for my sin, I except that, and will have eternal life.

Fair enough

To our point also, I do believe that if society would look at the bible as a moral compass, we would have much less problems with our society. I say this because, one of the main points in the New Testiment is "love your neighbor as your self." If we all looked at life through those glasses, I think we would all behave a little differently.

I agree with you here actually. Look, I'm not saying the bible is a bad thing, I just question its origins and meanings. Like I said earlier, I think it's filled with alot of good teachings and has both helped our society and damaged it at the same time. But, generally, the bible is filled with some good stuff.

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by Prince

I am done with this thread, it's fucking pissing me off, not because you don't agree with me, I couldn't care less, but because I can't debate with people that use circular arguments, it's futile.

Oh SURE!!! Bail out on me now!

 

[Arnold]

well, I now have 13 posts in this thread!

 

[ragingbull]

Look Prince you say something, I answer, then you hate me, then you don't, then you say something, I answer, then you hate me, then you don't, then you say something, I answer, then you hate me, then you don't.

I don't understand why you feel were going in circles here....

 

[Arnold]

I do not hate you, I never said I hated or even disliked you or anyone else.

You must not understand what a circular argument is, that's why I asked you what your "formal education" was on this subject.

A circular argument is where you base your conclusion that something is true based on the very premise of the argument.

Example:

Jesus died for our sins
It says so in the bible.
Therefore, Jesus died for our sins.

understand? it's also referred to as "begging the question".

..

 

[craig777]

I thought the same thing of IT's argument that it made no sense for God to give Adam and Eve the choice to sin or not to sin, knowing that they would sin all along. Since it made no sense it didn't happen, but nothing makes sense to IT so therefore nothing happens.

Oh and I'm with Albob I am taking this seriously, but I don't think I will change anyones mind.

Albob, let me help you with your conflicts, her (insert any female here) boobs, both of them, are off limits to you.

 

[Arnold]

first of all, I have to say about the book of Genesis is there is absolutley nothing that could even lend a shred of truth that humans were created the way this story describes.

and secondly, there is a shit load of scientific evidence that evolution did happen!


why am I still posting in this damn thread?

 

[ALBOB]

Originally posted by Prince
first of all, I have to say about the book of Genesis is there is absolutley nothing that could even lend a shred of truth that humans were created the way this story describes.

and secondly, there is a shit load of scientific evidence that evolution did happen!

I've never believed that the theory of evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive, I think that it is very reasonable to see how they could both be true. Who has the authority to say that God didn't create man USING the tools of evolution and natural selection? Here the question is treated with humor...but I think it's also very thought provoking...

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By Gene Weingarten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 14, 1999; Page C01

Memo to: The members of the Kansas Board of Education From: God

Re: Your decision to eliminate the teaching of evolution as science.

Thank you for your support. Much obliged.

Now, go forth and multiply. Beget many children. And yea, your
children shall beget children. And their children shall beget children, and their children's children after them. And in time the genes that have made you such pinheads will be eliminated through natural selection. Because that is how it works.

Listen, I love all my creatures equally, and gave each his own
special qualities to help him on Earth. The horse I gave great strength.

The antelope I gave great grace and speed. The dung beetle I gave great

stupidity, so he doesn't realize he is a dung beetle. Man I gave a
brain. Use it, okay?

I admit I am not perfect. I've made errors. (Armpit hair--what was I thinking?) But do you Kansans seriously believe that I dropped half-a-billion-year-old trilobite skeletons all over my great green Earth by mistake? What, I had a few lying around some previous creation in the Andromeda galaxy, and they fell through a hole in my pocket?

You were supposed to find them. And once you found them, you were supposed to draw the appropriate, intelligent conclusions. That's what I made you for. To think.

The folks who wrote the Bible were smart and good people. Mostly, they got it right. But there were glitches. Imprecisions. For one thing, they said that Adam and Eve begat Cain and Abel, and then Cain begat Enoch.How was that supposed to have happened? They left out Tiffany entirely!

Well, they also were a little off on certain elements of timing and sequence. So what?

You guys were supposed to figure it all out for yourselves, anyway. When you stumble over the truth, you are not supposed to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and proceed on as though nothing had happened. If you find a dinosaur's toe, you're not supposed to look for reasons to call it a croissant. You're not big, drooling idiots. For that, I made dogs.

Why do you think there are no fossilized human toes dating from a hundred million years ago? Think about it.

It's okay if you think. In fact, I prefer it. That's why I like Charlie
Darwin. He was always a thinker. Still is. He and I chat frequently.

I know a lot of people figure that if man evolved from other
organisms, it means I don't exist. I have to admit this is a reasonable assumption and a valid line of thought. I am in favor of thought. I encourage you to pursue this concept with an open mind, and see where it leads you.

That's all I have to say right now, except that I'm really cheesed off at laugh tracks on sitcoms, and the NRA, and people who make simple declarative sentences sound like questions?

Oh, wait. There's one more thing.

Did you read in the newspapers yesterday how scientists in Australia dug up some rocks and found fossilized remains of life dating back further than ever before? Primitive, multicelled animals on Earth nearly 3 billion years ago, when the planet was nothing but roiling muck and ice and fire. And inside those cells was . . . DNA. Incredibly complex strands of chemicals, laced together in a scheme so sophisticated no one yet understands exactly how it works.

I wonder who could have thought of something like that, way back then.

Just something to gnaw on.

 

[ragingbull]

Prince,

Evolution? Adaptation, yes, Evolution, no? If there were evolution we would see species that are evolving in fossil remain. There is no evidence in fossil remains that evolution happened. In fact there is support for Creation because in fossil remain, humans suddenly arrive. If evolution happened, show me a sea creature that grows legs and fur and become a land creature. Thats what you would have to prove to show evolution happened. Facts also show that caron dating is completely inaccurate, which could lend to the fact that the earth is not billions of years old.

PS. The circular thing was a complete joke. I do understand your point.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ragingbull
PS. The circular thing was a complete joke. I do understand your point.

it's no joke bro.

you do not understand it because you have never taken a class in Logic. (that's not intended as an insult either)

maybe this will help >> http://gncurtis.home.texas.net/begquest.html

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
You want to know GOD read his book (The whole thing)

I have. And the fact that god puts his own creations through such shit sickens me. Nother example (can't remember which book exactly, but I remember arguing with a pastor about it) It was when Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt and the Phaoro (sp?) kept changing his mind and calling his slaves back even after the plagues. This is what it said in the bible.
"But god MADE the Phaoro's heart cold and he called for his guards to get his slaves back."
This instance happened several times after each plague where it said he MADE his heart cold. Hence god put his own people through the plagues just for kicks. The pastor told me I was taking the meaning too literally. Well what the hell good is it if you can't take it literally?

 

[cornfed]

WOW this has gone from serious to halfway-enjoyable and back again.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by dg806
IT, that was old testament...........we don't live under the law anymore more!

But it states in John that all scripture was inspired by god and beneficial. So how can you pick and choose which one's you want?

 

[Arnold]

if you're are going to dispute evolution, then you really, really, really need to go back to science class, cause I do not have the time to teach it on this forum.

Just a question ragingbull, do not take offense:

what is your level of education? if you have a bachelor's degree (or higher), please tell me from what school and your major. (just curious)

 

[cornfed]

ERRR..... EEEE.....


I'm stayin' out... I promised myself I would.... *thinks to my self* "there is no temptation except that which is common to man..."

 

[cornfed]

On a side note... Most of my looong undergrad career has been science, whether biology, endocrinology or genetics... unless you wanna include my nutrition stint ... no wonder my ass is still here

 

[mmafiter]

*peeks in, sits down and starts eating a Lunchables*

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by cornfed
On a side note... Most of my looong undergrad career has been science, whether biology, endocrinology or genetics... unless you wanna include my nutrition stint ... no wonder my ass is still here

I have heard of people that change majors numerous times because they are afraid to face the world outside of the University


I wanna go back to school

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by ragingbull
IT, you make good points and keep it up.

Thanks RB, but this is going no where. I will just leave my concluding comments on this thread and leave it alone.

The problem I am having with this thread is that we are arguing with facts and history about what has happened with christianity and the answers we are being responded with has to do with a different translation of the bible. What good is it if everytime something seems wrong with it somebody tries to translate it differently? I will not love something simply because a piece of paper has writing on it and tells me to, but I'll look into its past and see what has come of it, and personally I do not think it shows much promise at all. I'm not trying to change people's beliefs, but just want people to be a little more open on different views and able to justify their positions with something a little more than 'the bible says so.' on that note I'm outta here
HOPEFULLY for the last time

 

[cornfed]

Well, that's not the case. I'm just interested in way too much. I didn't include being a music major at another school or my time in general studies or the double major I'm currently in.

 

[ragingbull]

Point taken.

So your point of view would be to take individual actions or "stories" from the bible, validate them as true. If validated as true, then the bible could be assume true cover to cover, and one would suggest that a belief in God would not be unwise and possibly encouraged?

Seriously, because my belief is that the Bible can be valiated, especially the new testimate, which is what christians live under.

 

[craig777]

Hey IT, before you go tell me which verse says that I can beat my wife with the rod. It could come in handy. A wife needs a good beating every now and then. I am just kidding ladies, I promise. I would like to know though.

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by ragingbull
Point taken.

So your point of view would be to take individual actions or "stories" from the bible, validate them as true. If validated as true, then the bible could be assume true cover to cover, and one would suggest that a belief in God would not be unwise and possibly encouraged?

Seriously, because my belief is that the Bible can be valiated, especially the new testimate, which is what christians live under.

I'm a Christian and I live under a roof. Aw c'mon laugh

 

[cornfed]

I vote that we either end the debate, start making fun of a 3rd party (like Kuso), or pornalize the thread to keep things nice and happy.

 

[Arnold]

one of the main things that opened my mind was when I took upper division sociology and religeon classes, in which I realized that there is SO MUCH more than what christianity offers.

I just wish that everyone had the opportunity to be exposed to some of the very liberal professors that I had, as well as the classes, they really help people to remove their blinders and open their minds.

In some of my classes students actually walked out in the middle of lectures because they were so pissed at what the professor what saying about religeon, it was great. At the same time it was very sad because part of being educated at a university is opening your mind to new ideas, which obviously these students just refused to do.

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by cornfed
I vote that we either end the debate, start making fun of a 3rd party (like Kuso), or pornalize the thread to keep things nice and happy.

PORNALIZE

 

[cornfed]

I'm still taking those classes, but the problem w/ many students is that they're either so ass-backwards that they won't hear out the oposition or that they blindly accept anything that a "prof" says. I've been there and I think it's mutually agreeable that one must decide for themselves.