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Very considerate of you, thanks.
I some how detect some sort of underlying meaning though.
Is my opinion my third strike or something? Do tell.
bsc, that guy isn't 268lbs, 14% at 5'10".
I some how detect some sort of underlying meaning though.
Is my opinion my third strike or something? Do tell.
bsc, that guy isn't 268lbs, 14% at 5'10".
Well, it seems to me that TCD is simply saying 1 of 2 things...
1- I AM in fact natural, but that I am exaggerating my stats, or
2- If my stats are indeed correct, than there is no way that I could be natural.
TCD is allowed to have his opinion, so as long as he is NOT stating that what he says is FACT, but simply his OPINION. I respect his right to his opinion, however, all I can say is that my stats were accurate as listed, AND, that I am drug free for life...THAT IS FACT!
Anyway, no need for anymore about this. I will post pics in the near future. Until then, you can find competition pics of me from 1999, weighing about 195 or so on my website.
1- I AM in fact natural, but that I am exaggerating my stats, or
2- If my stats are indeed correct, than there is no way that I could be natural.
TCD is allowed to have his opinion, so as long as he is NOT stating that what he says is FACT, but simply his OPINION. I respect his right to his opinion, however, all I can say is that my stats were accurate as listed, AND, that I am drug free for life...THAT IS FACT!
Anyway, no need for anymore about this. I will post pics in the near future. Until then, you can find competition pics of me from 1999, weighing about 195 or so on my website.
I guess Skip is just a big fraud.
MY STANCE ON THE
DRUG ISSUE
by Skip La Cour
Let???s face it, physique-enhancing drugs are illegal. They are condemned not only by righteous, drug-free bodybuilding organizations, but also by local and federal government. The bottom line is, if we want to be respected as bodybuilders, illegal drugs must be removed from our sport. Period!
read more...
LMAO
My only point with that post was that Skip takes a strong stance in regards to drug use, there are other articles on that page as well. Typically a bb just does not talk about their drug use, they do not go out of their way to say that they do not use drugs.
By looking over his photo gallery on his site, especially his competition pics he does look natural. But, I do not know anymore than you whether or not he is truley natural.
My only point with that post was that Skip takes a strong stance in regards to drug use, there are other articles on that page as well. Typically a bb just does not talk about their drug use, they do not go out of their way to say that they do not use drugs.
By looking over his photo gallery on his site, especially his competition pics he does look natural. But, I do not know anymore than you whether or not he is truley natural.
Ok, just cause i have time to kill i'll make a few enquiries.
Eric's photos from when he was 195lbs, at around 5% (looking brilliant by the way).
So, if we work this out, it means that he has 9.75lbs fat and 185.25lbs LBM. Both estimates, but even at 10%bf (which he is well below) he still has a good 175.5lbs LBM. But we'll stick with the original estimate.
This was in 1999. 3 a bit years ago. Eric has been training for 17, yes, that's 17 years. A lot of experience. Not easy to come by good gains in muscle after this amount of time. And yet, in a mere 3 and bit years he has went to 268lbs and only went up to 14%bf. let's look at that.
268lbs@ 14% is 37.52lbs fat and 230.48lbs LBM.
So Mr Brosser is trying to convince everyone that in a mere three years he has gained...45.23lbs of LBM.
In comparison, a KNOWN gear user, Dorian Yates, gained 70lbs of LBM in his entire CAREER.
Now, i'm all for genetic freaks and exceptions to the rules, but this people, is taking the piss.
I hope you now understand why i am so skeptical of mr Brosser's claims.
By the way, while i'm at it, Eric, how come a mere gain in ~27lbs (give or take a few) has meant your extremely trim and streamline waist has turned into this?
Eric's photos from when he was 195lbs, at around 5% (looking brilliant by the way).
So, if we work this out, it means that he has 9.75lbs fat and 185.25lbs LBM. Both estimates, but even at 10%bf (which he is well below) he still has a good 175.5lbs LBM. But we'll stick with the original estimate.
This was in 1999. 3 a bit years ago. Eric has been training for 17, yes, that's 17 years. A lot of experience. Not easy to come by good gains in muscle after this amount of time. And yet, in a mere 3 and bit years he has went to 268lbs and only went up to 14%bf. let's look at that.
268lbs@ 14% is 37.52lbs fat and 230.48lbs LBM.
So Mr Brosser is trying to convince everyone that in a mere three years he has gained...45.23lbs of LBM.
In comparison, a KNOWN gear user, Dorian Yates, gained 70lbs of LBM in his entire CAREER.
Now, i'm all for genetic freaks and exceptions to the rules, but this people, is taking the piss.
I hope you now understand why i am so skeptical of mr Brosser's claims.
By the way, while i'm at it, Eric, how come a mere gain in ~27lbs (give or take a few) has meant your extremely trim and streamline waist has turned into this?
I was making a general statement. When I posted pix you seemed to enjoy giving me a hard time, not as much as Golds_Soldier, but I haven't forgotten regardless. Frankly dude, I can't tell that you even lift, so my statement is that I picture you as accusing everyone of using, because they actually have some gains to show after years of lifting. I believe that your goals are probably more dietary than bodybuilding, since that is what you seem to know about, so I am not judging you based on you being a lightweight.
But, with that in mind, how are you to know what can be done naturally and what cannot?
TCD...I competed at 195 in 1999...I plan on competing at around 215-220 this year...that will be 4 years later. My offseason weight in 1999 was about 235-240...now its 268. It all fits.
TCD...believe what you want to believe. It doesn't matter b/c I can't win with you...as soon as I post pics of myself in contest shape at 215-220 I am sure you will insist I am on drugs anyway and begin your lecture on how "its not possible to achieve that without drugs," "Mr Broser is lying." Blah, blah, blah...you have expressed your incorrect opinion and that is enough for now.
You don't believe in Skip and you don't believe me...trust me when I say that your attitude is only going to hold you back in your training. Don't fluff it off...because IT WILL.
TCD...believe what you want to believe. It doesn't matter b/c I can't win with you...as soon as I post pics of myself in contest shape at 215-220 I am sure you will insist I am on drugs anyway and begin your lecture on how "its not possible to achieve that without drugs," "Mr Broser is lying." Blah, blah, blah...you have expressed your incorrect opinion and that is enough for now.
You don't believe in Skip and you don't believe me...trust me when I say that your attitude is only going to hold you back in your training. Don't fluff it off...because IT WILL.
Originally posted by Prince
this thread is going nowhere.
Actually, it IS going somewhere...in a totally negative direction! There are some people that will be convinced by TCDs rantings and the results will be either that they go on steroids b/c they figure they can't get big without them, or, they will quit training out of frustration, or, they will put a limit on what they can achieve and their body will follow what the mind believes...result: underachievement!!
No, didn't give you a hard time. I commented in your belief that you could shape your biceps.
And anything that DID come off harsh was purely because you didn't (maybe still don't) understand my style of writing at the time.
You can say i don't look like i train, but it's really no concern of mine. I train, i'm strong and compared to my body of several years ago, i'm happy with the progress and the direction i'm going.
And while you're asking me what can be done naturally and not, if you ask any experienced professional in the field, including the Bryan Haycocks, Patrick Arnolds, Mauro pascales, Lyle McDonalds Polquins and all the rest, they'll give you a safe bet of around 60lbs in a lifetime. In fact, Bryan Haycock, arguably the world's #1 regarding muscle growth states exactly that.
Actually no, i haven't expressed my opinion.
My true opinion, and i mean this with all the honesty and conviction in the world, is that you are full of shit.
Now please, no one edit that, cause it is merely opinion.
This is for everyone except for TCD...(from a former thread I started in the training forum)...
99 % of the training forum is dedicated to technique, exercises, routines, etc, as it should be. However, what can really set apart the good from the monumental...a great workout from a mind boggling one, is in your mind. Here are some things to remember when going to the gym...
1-BE POSITIVE...go into the gym with a good attitude toward training. Believe you will do better. Believe this workout will bring you closer to your goals.
2-VISUALIZE...before you get to the gym "see yourself" in your mind's eye lifting heavier, feeling stronger, and successfully completing all sets in your workout.
3-BE AGGRESSIVE...don't just lift the weights, attack them! Treat every rep as if it were your last. Lift like your life is on the line. Do whatever it takes to psych yourself up...yell, growl, think about things that piss you off, hit yourself in the head...get mad!
4-FOCUS...don't talk while lifting. Don't look around. Think about what you are doing, the muscle you are working. The mind muscle connection is REAL!
5-DON'T GET DOWN...if you don't break a record or don't have a great first set, DO NOT let that set the tone for the rest of your workout! Regroup. Leave failure behind. KNOW your next set will be better, and that each set after that will be EVEN BETTER!
6-DON'T GET COMPLACENT...pat yourself on the back after a great set or productive workout, but then, think to yourself how you will destroy your accomplishments in this workout in your next one. Your body is very adaptive, you must push further to progress to the next level.
7-DREAM...don't set limits. F the studies that say you can only get "so big." Screw those that say you can only grow really huge if on steroids. Your body is only limited by where your mind is willing to take you. There are no limits!!!!!!!!!!!!
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needs repeating...
99 % of the training forum is dedicated to technique, exercises, routines, etc, as it should be. However, what can really set apart the good from the monumental...a great workout from a mind boggling one, is in your mind. Here are some things to remember when going to the gym...
1-BE POSITIVE...go into the gym with a good attitude toward training. Believe you will do better. Believe this workout will bring you closer to your goals.
2-VISUALIZE...before you get to the gym "see yourself" in your mind's eye lifting heavier, feeling stronger, and successfully completing all sets in your workout.
3-BE AGGRESSIVE...don't just lift the weights, attack them! Treat every rep as if it were your last. Lift like your life is on the line. Do whatever it takes to psych yourself up...yell, growl, think about things that piss you off, hit yourself in the head...get mad!
4-FOCUS...don't talk while lifting. Don't look around. Think about what you are doing, the muscle you are working. The mind muscle connection is REAL!
5-DON'T GET DOWN...if you don't break a record or don't have a great first set, DO NOT let that set the tone for the rest of your workout! Regroup. Leave failure behind. KNOW your next set will be better, and that each set after that will be EVEN BETTER!
6-DON'T GET COMPLACENT...pat yourself on the back after a great set or productive workout, but then, think to yourself how you will destroy your accomplishments in this workout in your next one. Your body is very adaptive, you must push further to progress to the next level.
7-DREAM...don't set limits. F the studies that say you can only get "so big." Screw those that say you can only grow really huge if on steroids. Your body is only limited by where your mind is willing to take you. There are no limits!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by MJ23
Impressive, I am utterly impressed, but I think I still do like Dbol for breakfast with my cereal
LOL! Jeez, I wonder what I'd look like if I did the same?? Scary thought! Anyway, just egg whites and oatmeal for me!
I'm 250 @ 8%
I started at 120 lbs.
What's the problem?
I started at 120 lbs.
What's the problem?
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Your all natural?How tall are you?Does all natural mean no PH as well?
I'm 5'11 and a little change.
And yes, I'm *all* natural.
And yes, I'm *all* natural.
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