gains w/out steroids

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by MeanCuts
*laughing* Yeah i've been keeping up on this thread I know what your saying.I think if ya make claims like that regardless who you are ya outta have some pics to back it up cause it's real hard to just take your word for it.

As far as the pro-hormone statement.I thought they were meant for people who have been training for years and wanted to break a plateau not as a shortcut to getting a good body.

Sure they can be used for that. You are basically dealing with a legal steroid or steroid precursor. Almost as effective, except that they are not injected so their modality causes a weaker effect. So your point about what they were "meant for" is lost on me, but yes, when used wisely that is the point.

 

[Robboe]

For fucks sake. Why do people (read: Prince & Gopro) always think i invite people from WBB over here?

I've checked the members on WBB and Snake_eyes, Snake eyes, Snake_eyez, Snake eyez, 5nak3_3y3z or anything even remotely close is registered.

I don't know the guy but i was under the impression he was a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder (and a big one at that).

And yes, i doubt his claims also. Although he only claims to have added 110lbs naturally, unlike Gopro's ~125lbs.

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by MeanCuts
I always thought PH's were to break plateaus?

Steriods or PH's should not take the place of good training and good eating habits! But like I said I am 39................so I figure I only have 5 to 10 more good years to lift to really gain alot of muscle, so I want to take advantage of it the best I can. Someone 20 to 25 really doesn't need anything yet.

 

[gopro]

Sorry TCD...I didn't mean to say that you invited SE...he may just lurk and then post only when he see's a "reason" to...like to discredit something I say or claim (and I only mention this b/c he has done it before).

I am pretty sure he has posted his stats before and the were far far far less than he is posting now, which is surely an attempt at sarcasm...a poor attempt, but an attempt.

Anyway, I hope a few of you continue to disbelieve me b/c its just firing me up even more in the gym and at the table! I am more ready than ever to show what a natural body can do!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
For fucks sake. Why do people (read: Prince & Gopro) always think i invite people from WBB over here?

I did not say you invited him over here, I said that is was interesting how the only time he shows up here to post is when there is a debate/argument with me or gopro.

btw, TCD most powerlifters maintain a bit more than 8% bf.

 

[I Are Baboon]

How many frickin' times are people going to have the SAME...OLD...DEBATE with gopro?

 

[Robboe]

No one asked you to view this thread. If you don't want to read it then don't enter.

And Prince, yeah. I know.

But if SE is being serious with his remarks (no offense to him but i've yet to see a sense of humour from the guy) then it really is a turn for the books. Every other post by the dude has been solid, straight to the point and BS-free.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
No one asked you to view this thread. If you don't want to read it then don't enter.

Well how am I supposed to know what is being said unless I read it?

Next month, someone new will ask another question, and you'll chime in with the same old attacks on gopro. They're getting old. Find something new to discuss.

 

[Robboe]

No.

You've read it now, you get the gist.

If you're reading this post then you're being a very bad boy, mmmkay?

 

[bsc14]

How long can this go on? Is this normal on these boards?

 

[Robboe]

I want to see some others actually post their opinions.

It seems like everyone is scared or holding back in case they "offend" the lad.

And he still hasn't explained how a mere ~30lbs fat accumulation has lead to his waist going from an incredibly thin, what?...30-32"? to that monstrous 38-40" (at a guess).

 

[Yanick]

I'm not holding back because i'm afraid to offend, i just don't know to much on this matter. I never really follow bb'ers careers and apart from this forum i don't know too many other bb'ers.

But i must say, Rob is making a pretty good point about Dorians Yates' career. How can a natural outgrow a drug user (i thought genetics at first, but then i realized Dorian used to be a Mr. O, he must have awesome genetics).

 

[ikam]

Ya Chicken Head makes a good point. According to him, Go Pros surpassed what Dorian did with drugs? Wouldn't that make him a world class athlete who should be competing in the IFBB?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
I want to see some others actually post their opinions.

It seems like everyone is scared or holding back in case they "offend" the lad.

And he still hasn't explained how a mere ~30lbs fat accumulation has lead to his waist going from an incredibly thin, what?...30-32"? to that monstrous 38-40" (at a guess).

My waist has NEVER been over 36 " at its absolute largest. I don't know what you THINK you see, but your perception is skewed. I really don't know what your problem is, but here is MY opinion...you are a meaningless speck on this earth. Your mind is closed completely and b/c of this you will never reach your full potential in ANY endeavor. You only believe in what your own mind limits you to...you know you can never be as muscular as me or many other bodybuilders so to make your self feel better about yourself, you accuse me and them of lying, using steroids, or any other excuse your small mind can conjure.

You are just one of those people, and I have met many, that I just laugh at and brush aside. The more people tell me I can't do something, the easier I get it done. Stop wasting everyone's time here...your argument with me is over and your influence on other members here is the worst kind. I don't want IM members to begin thinking like you, closing their minds', and not reaching higher and higher each and every day.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Yanick
I'm not holding back because i'm afraid to offend, i just don't know to much on this matter. I never really follow bb'ers careers and apart from this forum i don't know too many other bb'ers.

But i must say, Rob is making a pretty good point about Dorians Yates' career. How can a natural outgrow a drug user (i thought genetics at first, but then i realized Dorian used to be a Mr. O, he must have awesome genetics).

I have not outgrown Dorian and will never in my entire life be as big as Dorian. I weighed 268 at 14% bodyfat...Dorian at the height of his career would have weighed about 330-340 at 14% bodyfat.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by ikam
Ya Chicken Head makes a good point. According to him, Go Pros surpassed what Dorian did with drugs? Wouldn't that make him a world class athlete who should be competing in the IFBB?

Read above post.

 

[Yanick]

Originally posted by gopro
I have not outgrown Dorian and will never in my entire life be as big as Dorian. I weighed 268 at 14% bodyfat...Dorian at the height of his career would have weighed about 330-340 at 14% bodyfat.

I worded my post incorrectly, i meant that in a lifetime of gains it is difficult to believe that a natural can make more progress than a drug user. Thats a general statement, as exceptions do exist (like joe shmoe in the gym who juices but doesn't know anything else will still make shitty progress, where as a natural who knows how to train and diet properly will make more progress than him).

I also said that genetics should not be a factor in all of this, because you and Dorian obviously both have great genetics.

But i don't see the point in this argument anyway. I don't give a shit if you're a juice head or natural, thats something that each person has to choose for themselves, and i'll never look down on a juice head just because he/she juices. There are many other more important factors to consider about bodybuilders (like dedication, knowledge of the sport etc.)

 

[Snake_Eyes]

That's right. Guys like gopro and myself just show you what's possible with hard work and dedication.

 

[Robboe]

Well that is a shame.

Unfortunately now i think you're both full of shit.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by gopro
My waist has NEVER been over 36 " at its absolute largest. I don't know what you THINK you see, but your perception is skewed.

I dunno man, in that photo it looks really large. But i'll give you the benfit of the doubt.

I really don't know what your problem is, but here is MY opinion...you are a meaningless speck on this earth. Your mind is closed completely and b/c of this you will never reach your full potential in ANY endeavor. You only believe in what your own mind limits you to...you know you can never be as muscular as me or many other bodybuilders so to make your self feel better about yourself, you accuse me and them of lying, using steroids, or any other excuse your small mind can conjure.

You are just one of those people, and I have met many, that I just laugh at and brush aside. The more people tell me I can't do something, the easier I get it done. Stop wasting everyone's time here...your argument with me is over and your influence on other members here is the worst kind. I don't want IM members to begin thinking like you, closing their minds', and not reaching higher and higher each and every day.

My only problem is you telling people a lot of BS.

You've done competitions that no one else has heard of, you fail to reveal that some of your "proper" certs have run out and you give some suspect advice (not all).

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Yanick
I worded my post incorrectly, i meant that in a lifetime of gains it is difficult to believe that a natural can make more progress than a drug user. Thats a general statement, as exceptions do exist (like joe shmoe in the gym who juices but doesn't know anything else will still make shitty progress, where as a natural who knows how to train and diet properly will make more progress than him).

I also said that genetics should not be a factor in all of this, because you and Dorian obviously both have great genetics.

But i don't see the point in this argument anyway. I don't give a shit if you're a juice head or natural, thats something that each person has to choose for themselves, and i'll never look down on a juice head just because he/she juices. There are many other more important factors to consider about bodybuilders (like dedication, knowledge of the sport etc.)

Really, I didn't make any more "progress" than Dorian. Since Dorian would weight WELL into the 300s (actually, as a side note...when I first met Nasser El Sonbaty he weighed 340 and had abs) at 14% bodyfat. Since he started training at around 180 lbs, that would be an additional 150-160 lbs. Now, Dorian never went past about 310, but he sure could've if he wished. Also, the "quality" of the muscle between a steroid user and natural is very different. A natural at 4% bodyfat looks completely different from a drug user at 4%.

But anyway, your input is appreciated...although I can assure you that the only "juice" I've used is orange, grape, and apple.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
My only problem is you telling people a lot of BS.

You've done competitions that no one else has heard of, you fail to reveal that some of your "proper" certs have run out and you give some suspect advice (not all).

I have told people ZERO B.S. I can name every competition I have entered and they all can be confirmed as they have been INBF, NPC, ANPPC, and ANBC...all large organizations, my only cert that has run out or "expired" is ISSA and that is b/c they charge a ton of money to renew and besides I have 10 others and don't really care about my ISSA one anymore, and FINALLY, every piece of advice I have given is equally as reputable as any strength coach on this earth bar none. My success as a trainer speaks for itself and I'm quite confident when I say that. There is a reason I mod on 3 different sites, including one led by one of the most sought after nutritionists in the industry...oh, and pick up the latest issue of MMI magazine (May), and find one of my articles in there (I know for a fact that they get hundreds of submissions, and there must be a reason why the choose to publish what I write).

Crawl back in your hole TCD. You are like a disease that needs to be contained.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
That's right. Guys like gopro and myself just show you what's possible with hard work and dedication.

And as for you...please say what you REALLY feel...

 

[ikam]

Go Pro, if I may ask you, what are the 10 other certs that you currently hold? Or was that a figure of speech? If so, please excuse my inability to catch on to sarcasim.

Sorry to be a bother.

 

[Arnold]

here ya go ikam: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/personal_training2.php

now why don't you go bother someone else.