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Yo D-Lats, any updates on your progress with insulin? I'm nowhere near prepared to integrate it into my regimen (not even close), but I'm still interested how you're doing with it.
 
D-Lats said:
If your responsible enough for gear I think slin is just as safe..
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Agreed, I know of at least 12 people who have fallin into comas and died from injecting to much test or taking too much dbol.

Great post bro. Hope all the stupid fucking newbros get a chance to read it before they head off to walgreens.


I get what you're saying, I do. You shouldn't be a brain dead fuckwit and do AAS! Got that....BUT have you been to the enterweebs?


Not the case.....
 
Standard Donkey said:
does slin cost more than aas?
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Novolin R is $20 at Walmart... Don't HAVE to have a script... But they can refuse sale...

I CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH: INSULIN CAN KILL YOU, OR LEAVE YOU A VEGETABLE IF YOU FUCK UP!!!!!

DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TAKING INSULIN WITHOUT THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT WILL DO, HAS CAPABILITIES OF DOING, HAVING PLENTY OF CARBS AND PROTEIN WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES... AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WITH YOU AROUND YHE CLOCK, IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.. KEEP GLUCAGON ON HAND ALSO, A GLUCOMETER, ETC... IF YOU FUCK UP, YOU WILL DIE!!!

that being said, it is highly anabolic... Also stores fat nearly as easily as increasing nutrient partitioning to muscle....diet is key.. pumps are like nothing you've seen... Water retention, high bp, kidney stress, etc... Are all possibilities too... To the point your chest cavity can fill with enoughedema that you can't breathe and heart can't beat..... It can kill you!!!
 
... I thought about slin for a while...

then I decided there is no fucking way it is worth the risk.

And I had one more realization, I was thinking of using it simply as a shortcut vs eating more food. I truly feel like this is the case with most people who try slin, they think they need it but in reality they don't. I know plenty of guys who are 230 - 240 lean and would never touch slin...

... just my .02 cents
 
XYZ said:
Oh, ok....my bad. Just thought I remembered something along those lines and then I read your first post and was thinking........He's doing WHAT AGAIN???

FYI - Use dextrose and maltodextern for your PWO drink with aminos if you can swing it. A few reasons:

1 - Dextrose will work faster than any other carb source period. It's also VERY cheap.

2 - Matodexterin - The ability for it to be stored as body fat is pretty low (most weight gainer shakes use this as the carb source).

3 - Aminos are absorbed much quicker than protien alone and they are already broken down, making them ideal for insulin use.

Good luck. Be safe.
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Are you saying replace the protein for aminos for PW shake? I have never heard of this before...
 
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DLat n slin is a very scary thought :coffee:
 
Isn't there distention of the waist with slin? Have you noticed this or any blurrring of the lines or thickening of the skin?
 
Diesel618 said:
Isn't there distention of the waist with slin? Have you noticed this or any blurrring of the lines or thickening of the skin?
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since slin really doesnt differentiate between fat or muscle storage(of nutrients), it can cause you to lose your leanness and lines, skin thickening is just usually subq edema or fat gain, or both... distention of gut can be caused by slin(or resistance to slin.... since this is a major cause of belly fat and abdominal fat between organs)... desensitivity to slin can happen quickly with exogenous use(in fact most americans are resistant to slin... hence all the fat asses)..... diet is key, but you can always run into problems when you are taking slin and HAVE to pound down 100+g of sugary carbs just to not slip into a coma.....

this is the whole reason it should NEVER be used by someone that doesn't know EXACTLY what they are doing.... and NEVER for prolonged periods..... I've used it in bulking cycles(for 2 wks or so) and also, recovery(surgery, injuries...), it does help greatly with that...
Unless you can dedicate a two week period to using slin, and not really having to work... so you can eat all day to feed the slin(cause you will get fat as shit if you just eat fast food or even restaurant food on it)... you have to be able to prepare and eat every meal precisely at the right time in order to avoid problems
 
The screams of horror and "ZOMG UR GONNA DIE BRAH!" on other forums (and sometimes here as well) really piss me off. Here's how I see it: Every time I've ever unscrewed the top to my clenbuterol, the thought crosses my mind that if I were to accidentally chug that whole goddamn thing, I'd probably just die. Especially because I pop aspirin and caffeine pills like I'm a 15-year-old girl with blue hair and bag of E at a rave.

The difference with insulin is that the margin of acceptable error is wayyy lower. Like, as in zero. I could theoretically double my dose of clen and still live (but in a shaky, horribly uncomfortable state), but if I take even 5% too much insulin, there's serious potential for death. So yeah, it's a drug that deserves respect and nobody should take it without understanding what it is and how it's used. But so long as someone is well educated on the physiology of the drug (I'm not, by the way), can we please stop acting like the mere thought of insulin for a bodybuilder is a fucking death sentence? If they're smart, well-read, and understand proper dosing, nutrition, and workout requirements for insulin, there's no reason it should be any more heart-stopping than a vial of test prop.

Again, I'm years away from preparing to integrate insulin into a cycle. Years. But just because neither I, nor most of you, should use insulin for the time being, doesn't mean we should be crying out in fear at its mere mention.
 
teezhay said:
The screams of horror and "ZOMG UR GONNA DIE BRAH!" on other forums (and sometimes here as well) really piss me off. Here's how I see it: Every time I've ever unscrewed the top to my clenbuterol, the thought crosses my mind that if I were to accidentally chug that whole goddamn thing, I'd probably just die. Especially because I pop aspirin and caffeine pills like I'm a 15-year-old girl with blue hair and bag of E at a rave.

The difference with insulin is that the margin of acceptable error is wayyy lower. Like, as in zero. I could theoretically double my dose of clen and still live (but in a shaky, horribly uncomfortable state), but if I take even 5% too much insulin, there's serious potential for death. So yeah, it's a drug that deserves respect and nobody should take it without understanding what it is and how it's used. But so long as someone is well educated on the physiology of the drug (I'm not, by the way), can we please stop acting like the mere thought of insulin for a bodybuilder is a fucking death sentence? If they're smart, well-read, and understand proper dosing, nutrition, and workout requirements for insulin, there's no reason it should be any more heart-stopping than a vial of test prop.

Again, I'm years away from preparing to integrate insulin into a cycle. Years. But just because neither I, nor most of you, should use insulin for the time being, doesn't mean we should be crying out in fear at its mere mention.
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Except that test prop isn't heart stopping at all unless you IV'd it sure...lol..
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
Except that test prop isn't heart stopping at all unless you IV'd it sure...lol..
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That's ... the point. Attain a working understanding of insulin, don't do anything you shouldn't do (which, in my case, includes using insulin but that's beside the point) and your heart won't stop. Not due to the insulin, at least. Obviously your heart will still stop one day. Then you'll die. And you'll be dead. And all will be as it was before you were born, once again.

Just my outlook. Except for that last part; that's not an opinion, that's the truth.
 
teezhay said:
That's ... the point. Attain a working understanding of insulin, don't do anything you shouldn't do (which, in my case, includes using insulin but that's beside the point) and your heart won't stop. Not due to the insulin, at least. Obviously your heart will still stop one day. Then you'll die. And you'll be dead. And all will be as it was before you were born, once again.

Just my outlook. Except for that last part; that's not an opinion, that's the truth.
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No I fully agree brother. The reason though that it is so taboo is because you have all of these stupid ass fucking kids out there that wanna take any and everything right now and ask about it later. I mod on several boards and I can't even begin to tell you all of the dumbass shit I have seen people do and post. Seen a guy that was IVing test....Kids that run superdrol at 30-40mgs ed for 8-12 weeks with no supports and no PCT wondering why their pissing blood and their dick doesn't work etc, etc, etc...I could go on for days..

Slin is a very powerful anabolic agent to be sure, if not the most powerful, that's not in question. But the level of god damn idiocy out their with these stupid fucks is what keeps people, even the knowledgeable guys from recommending its use.

Unfortunate but that's the interweebs for you..
 
And everyone knows....ANYTIME a BBer dies or kills someone the media and the american government immediately point the finger at steroids and it fucks up the rest of our lives if even to only a small degree. Sources get more heat on them, or busted, shit gets banned etc, etc, etc...
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
And everyone knows....ANYTIME a BBer dies or kills someone the media and the american government immediately point the finger at steroids and it fucks up the rest of our lives if even to only a small degree. Sources get more heat on them, or busted, shit gets banned etc, etc, etc...
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Well hey, Lyle Alzado clearly had an extensive background in medical training, research, and diagnostics. His professional opinion on what caused his brain tumor is tremendously valid and meaningful. I mean why else would his prolific writings be so widely published in so many prestigious medical journals? I can't find any at the moment, but that's probably because I just don't have access to such elite echelons of academia. So when Lyle Alzado attributes his tumor to steroids, that really means something.

And consider Chris Benoit. There's nothing that could have possibly caused him to murder his wife and child, other than steroids. I mean sure, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University attributed the incident to a devastating degree of brain damage, saying it was "so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." But what the fuck does the head of neurosurgery at a major university know?! It's not like he's Lyle Alzado or anything.

Edit: By the way, the growth hormone Lyle Alzado was using had been extracted from dead bodies. But I'm sure we can all agree the synthetic HGH we use today is no safer, regardless of what "science" or "facts" indicate. Anything that enhances performance is horribly unhealthy. I broke up with my girlfriend after learning she was wearing performance-enhancing eye contacts.
 
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teezhay said:
Well hey, Lyle Alzado clearly had an extensive background in medical training, research, and diagnostics. His professional opinion on what caused his brain tumor is tremendously valid and meaningful. I mean why else would his prolific writings be so widely published in so many prestigious medical journals? I can't find any at the moment, but that's probably because I just don't have access to such elite echelons of academia. So when Lyle Alzado attributes his tumor to steroids, that really means something.

And consider Chris Benoit. There's nothing that could have possibly caused him to murder his wife and child, other than steroids. I mean sure, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University attributed the incident to a devastating degree of brain damage, saying it was "so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." But what the fuck does the head of neurosurgery at a major university know?! It's not like he's Lyle Alzado or anything.

Edit: By the way, the growth hormone Lyle Alzado was using had been extracted from dead bodies. But I'm sure we can all agree the synthetic HGH we use today is no safer, regardless of what "science" or "facts" indicate. Anything that enhances performance is horribly unhealthy. I broke up with my girlfriend after learning she was wearing performance-enhancing eye contacts.
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Fucking thank you sir^!!!!
 
Insulin is nice I love it. 10iu preworkout gives a very nice pump the day of and day after training, increases the amount of protein I can absorb, and speeds recovery. And it's very easy to use, and your body produces glucagon to compensate a little bit if your blood sugar goes too low. It just has to be paired with the right amount of carbs that's all. 10iu is not a lot at all, your pancreas produces about that much, maybe even a little more when you eat a 1 bowl of cereal. You just take slin, eat 10g sugar/iu or in my case 8 (I do 10 if I'm doing squats), and I honestly only felt slight hypo once or twice a looong time ago from it. IGF is worse with the hypo IMO because it's so unpredictable. Little kids, seniors, and mentally challenged use insulin over and over and over every day. We're all very capable people and should never have any problem with this. I can't wait to get back on some slin.
 
Calves of Steel said:
Insulin is nice I love it. 10iu preworkout gives a very nice pump the day of and day after training, increases the amount of protein I can absorb, and speeds recovery. And it's very easy to use, and your body produces glucagon to compensate a little bit if your blood sugar goes too low. It just has to be paired with the right amount of carbs that's all. 10iu is not a lot at all, your pancreas produces about that much, maybe even a little more when you eat a 1 bowl of cereal. You just take slin, eat 10g sugar/iu or in my case 8 (I do 10 if I'm doing squats), and I honestly only felt slight hypo once or twice a looong time ago from it. IGF is worse with the hypo IMO because it's so unpredictable. Little kids, seniors, and mentally challenged use insulin over and over and over every day. We're all very capable people and should never have any problem with this. I can't wait to get back on some slin.
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I'm not raggin on you, Calves of Steel... I'm just making a statement regarding preworkout use of insulin...

The use of insulin pre wo is, possibly, one of the most dangerous things one could do... A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT, but it makes insulin use(which is already a touchy subject as far as safety is concerned) even more dangerous.... The reason for this is; insulin, regardless of what kind you are taking(humalog, R, NPR, NPH, Glargine...) is in your body, and active, longer than most realize... and any type of physical activity can drop blood glucose(bg)...
If you wanted to take advantage of the effects of insulin 'pre wo', there is a way to do it that makes it much more safe than just blasting it and eating a pre wo, then hitting the gym....(CofS.. if your method works for you, more power to you... I'm posting this, cause I know someone without the experience is going to read this thread and decide 'insulin is for me')
when you awake in the morning, take your insulin(if you are new to it, start slow....don't just put 10iu in you)(I am not going to suggest dosages, do your research.. start with half or less than whatever the lowest dose someone your weight is suggested to use)...
wait 15 min(for humalog or R), then eat..(I would suggest 10-15g carbs/iu, and same amount of protein... you may find, down the road, that you can use a little less, but err on the side of caution).
then at 1hr(post dosing.. for humalog) you will need to eat again(same type portions, you can eat more if you like... just make sure you at least feed the slin)
at 1 1/2hr (post dosing for R) same as above....

then, at 2 1/2-3hrs post dosing, eat your preworkout and hit the gym.. you will have all the effects of the insulin during the workout, without sacrificing safety as much(there is always some safety concern with insulin)

post workout, you can choose to dose again, or you can leave it to your body's natural production of insulin(if you are dosing twice a day, keep slin runs to a very short length.. like one week)... also, keep in mind... post workout your body is much more sensitive to slin, and what may have been the right amt for you before is somewhere around twice as much as needed post workout,, you will also find that you need much more carbs and protein with post wo use just to not go hypo.....(15-20g carbs with 10-15g protein/iu)

Keep it safe guys! insulin can be a great tool, but it can also be a tool of death...(not trying to scare you, just stating the facts)...
 
What state are we talking about where you can buy insulin for 20 or 30 bucks per bottle? I am a diabetic with no health insurance and in California the cheapest fast acting insulin I have found was about $70.00 per bottle.

If you are worried about having an insulin reaction you should consider having a small bottle of maple syrup on hand. The sugar is concentrated and will even absorb through your gums just in case you end up sick and puking and realize how fucked you are because you can't keep food down and are in the middle of an insulin reaction... Ambulance drivers and paramedics have tubes of glucose syrup on hand that they will rub onto the gums of someone that is hypoglycemic when they are unresponsive (by the way, it sucks having some fireman's latex covered hand shoved in your mouth).
 
Wanna_B_Bigger said:
What state are we talking about where you can buy insulin for 20 or 30 bucks per bottle? I am a diabetic with no health insurance and in California the cheapest fast acting insulin I have found was about $70.00 per bottle.

If you are worried about having an insulin reaction you should consider having a small bottle of maple syrup on hand. The sugar is concentrated and will even absorb through your gums just in case you end up sick and puking and realize how fucked you are because you can't keep food down and are in the middle of an insulin reaction... Ambulance drivers and paramedics have tubes of glucose syrup on hand that they will rub onto the gums of someone that is hypoglycemic when they are unresponsive (by the way, it sucks having some fireman's latex covered hand shoved in your mouth).
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are you referring to R or Humalog?
walmart has novolin r(it is in a box with their 'store brand' generic label box, but it is novolin R(bottle is labeled Novolin R).. go to the parmacy and tell them you want the cheapest R insulin...it is $20 in most states(CA may be slightly different because of some of the crazy laws and regulations they have that makes the consumer price of things go up....) but it should be $20 or close to it...
 
overburdened said:
are you referring to R or Humalog?
walmart has novolin r(it is in a box with their 'store brand' generic label box, but it is novolin R(bottle is labeled Novolin R).. go to the parmacy and tell them you want the cheapest R insulin...it is $20 in most states(CA may be slightly different because of some of the crazy laws and regulations they have that makes the consumer price of things go up....) but it should be $20 or close to it...
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Novolin R works for me, I'm on it. Thanks!
 
I was thinking about trying insulin but somebody told me if you take insulin you risk becoming a diabetic... Is this true? I have heard great stuff about insulin and how awesome it is for spot injections.
 
overburdened said:
are you referring to R or Humalog?
walmart has novolin r(it is in a box with their 'store brand' generic label box, but it is novolin R(bottle is labeled Novolin R).. go to the parmacy and tell them you want the cheapest R insulin...it is $20 in most states(CA may be slightly different because of some of the crazy laws and regulations they have that makes the consumer price of things go up....) but it should be $20 or close to it...
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I just picked up a couple of bottles today for $24.99 apiece. I love you man! (no homo)
 
ItsMrGreen said:
I was thinking about trying insulin but somebody told me if you take insulin you risk becoming a diabetic... Is this true? I have heard great stuff about insulin and how awesome it is for spot injections.
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Insulin for site inj??? Somebody's mistaken....
You can become diabetic, very easily....
 
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