GHRP-2 / CJC No-Dac / IGF LR3

[hhsbigmike]

I am currently dosing GHRP-2 x 3 ED at 150mcg per pin and CJC x 3 ED 100mcg per pin

I follow the same timing each day;

6am
11am
5pm
6pm>Workout

My question is this... I want to add my newly acquired IGF LR3 into the mix, what dosing and timing should I use to work into my current pin schedule for best results?

I had been told and read 50-80mcg split pre and post workout. Just looking for some veteran input on the use of this compound.

Thanks ahead for any advice guys

 

[Pittsburgh63]

If you want pre workout I'd recommend Des.. that's one that can be used both pre and post.. LR3 is best suited Post workout IMO.

I would time it like this..

Post Workout
15-20 minutes post, administer GHRP/GHRH
wait 15-20 minutes to allow the GHRP/GHRH to peak
Then administer IGF LR3. 50-80mcg's is an average dose.. I prefer 100mcg's personally. Subq injections will work.. I inject IM split bilaterally.

 

[hhsbigmike]

Thank you sir

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Thank you sir

You're Welcome!!

 

[TwisT]

Lr3 2h~ pre workout, DES post, pits GHRP GHRH dose timing is correct

 

[mnpower]

when i did igf-lr3 peg mfg combo i was always told never to take them at the same time or withing so many hours as igf-1 stunts the mfg. im not sure how the natural occurance of both would effect here but in theory doesnt hgpr peak igf levels anyways? and you woudlnt want to shot it to clsoe to a ghrp shot.?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Lr3 2h~ pre workout, DES post, pits GHRP GHRH dose timing is correct

You'z crazy.. I don't agree with the LR3 pre.. why do you like it pre workout?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

when i did igf-lr3 peg mfg combo i was always told never to take them at the same time or withing so many hours as igf-1 stunts the mfg. im not sure how the natural occurance of both would effect here but in theory doesnt hgpr peak igf levels anyways? and you woudlnt want to shot it to clsoe to a ghrp shot.?

15-20 minutes after the GHRP is good to use IGF. The GHRP peaks at that time, so it won't have any ill affect on GH release.

 

[TwisT]

You'z crazy.. I don't agree with the LR3 pre.. why do you like it pre workout?

Wrote an article on it a while back, ill dig it up for you pumpkin

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Wrote an article on it a while back, ill dig it up for you pumpkin

Thanks Cupcake.

 

[mnpower]

theres a whole lot of man love going on in here right now

 

[TwisT]

Thanks Cupcake.

Simply put, its along the lines of Lr3 is better for terms of it cant be bound by IGFBP3 so while its in the blood and will better act as a insulin sensatizing agent (glucose disposal), versus it post workout when a large amount of the IGF receptors in the worked muscles are misshapen by acidosis, where again lr3 cant bind...so whats the point of shooting it PWO. Instead, this is the optimal time to take DES because not only is your body shaving off its own IGF into desamino IGF to fit into those receptors, but supplementing that with exogenous DES will really trigger some serious differentiation in the area of application. I've always recommended 3-4 micro injections of des within 2 hours post training.

You have much to learn young skywalker

 

[Pittsburgh63]

In your opinion, LR3 Preworkout does not interfere with Natural MGF release Postworkout? They would be competing for the same receptors, no? Obviously proliferation and differentiation are not able to happen at the same time.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Also something I was just thinking about in regards to the acidosis.. This would also cause a reduced expression of GH receptors as well.. So why would the GHRP/GHRH combo be properly timed.. but not the IGF?

 

[TwisT]

In your opinion, LR3 Preworkout does not interfere with Natural MGF release Postworkout? They would be competing for the same receptors, no? Obviously proliferation and differentiation are not able to happen at the same time.

Different receptors cheif

 

[TwisT]

Also something I was just thinking about in regards to the acidosis.. This would also cause a reduced expression of GH receptors as well.. So why would the GHRP/GHRH combo be properly timed.. but not the IGF?

Haha on my way out the door, ill explain everything in detail soon :* promise!

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Different receptors cheif

Which receptors to each bind to.. I was under the impression, since they are both IGF-1.. MGF simply being and isoform of it, that they bind to the same receptors. Therefore, LR3 prior to natural MGF release would displace the IGF-1ec from the muscle.

I'll shall wait for your return to continue our discussion!! Hurry up.

 

[hhsbigmike]

Wow this is turning into an abundance of great advice here guys I appreciate the time you're taking to post and dig up old info.

Just to throw a kink in it all should have mentioned I'll be adding in 750mg of test for 5 weeks and bumping it to 1G for 5 weeks, First 4 weeks will also be using M1T. < if that has any effect on said compounds.

Thanks again for the time and effort guys

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Wow this is turning into an abundance of great advice here guys I appreciate the time you're taking to post and dig up old info.

Just to throw a kink in it all should have mentioned I'll be adding in 750mg of test for 5 weeks and bumping it to 1G for 5 weeks, First 4 weeks will also be using M1T. < if that has any effect on said compounds.

Thanks again for the time and effort guys

The AAS won't change the timing of the pep administration.. you're good. It will work synergistally with them though!!

 

[hhsbigmike]

The AAS won't change the timing of the pep administration.. you're good. It will work synergistally with them though!!

That's what I was hoping for been stuck at 212lbs for a while now... would like to see some more gains and more muscle hardness.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

*synergistically.. my spelling today has been atrocious!!

You should be very happy with your results!!

 

[hhsbigmike]

*synergistically.. my spelling today has been atrocious!!

You should be very happy with your results!!

Never really played with Peps so I'm excited for this one, the hunger post injection is killer lol I kinda like it

But quick question for you should I pin GHRP2 and IGF 3 ED or only on training days?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Never really played with Peps so I'm excited for this one, the hunger post injection is killer lol I kinda like it

But quick question for you should I pin GHRP2 and IGF 3 ED or only on training days?

GHRP ed.. IGF I only use on workout days. If you're looking for something to use on your off days.. Check out Peg MGF.

 

[hhsbigmike]

GHRP ed.. IGF I only use on workout days. If you're looking for something to use on your off days.. Check out Peg MGF.

Funny you mention PEG MGF I was actually considering picking up a few come payday just to try it out.

 

[TwisT]

Which receptors to each bind to.. I was under the impression, since they are both IGF-1.. MGF simply being and isoform of it, that they bind to the same receptors. Therefore, LR3 prior to natural MGF release would displace the IGF-1ec from the muscle.

I'll shall wait for your return to continue our discussion!! Hurry up.

Your understanding of proteins is a bit off pittgay. Despite being an isoform, you have to understand that many receptors wont accept a proteins isoform or glycoforms. Furthermore, you have to realize that there are almost ALWAYS open receptors, as saturation is very very difficult to actually achieve despite the common bro science belief on bodybuilding boards. Because MGF doesn't stimulate both a P13k/ASK signaling pathway, which is the signal that comes from the IGF-1r, it is believe that there is a single chain transmembrain receptor that acts on MGF, not the IGF-1r. Also, you have to keep in mind IGF will bind to the insulin receptor.

 

[SMALLbaby]

so from what you guys say IGF DES and LR3 can be used in the same cycle right? is it possible to add mgf and peg mgf also?

like:
des pre w/o, 15min right after training use mgf, wait 15 min use ghrp/cjc combo and after another 20 min use LR3??
on rest days peg?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

so from what you guys say IGF DES and LR3 can be used in the same cycle right? is it possible to add mgf and peg mgf also?

like:
des pre w/o, 15min right after training use mgf, wait 15 min use ghrp/cjc combo and after another 20 min use LR3??
on rest days peg?

That's how I do it.. Twist has a different opinion on the stack.

 

[TwisT]

That's how I do it.. Twist has a different opinion on the stack.

I have a bigger dick too

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I have a bigger dick too

haha.. I smell a contest in the works.. haha.

 

[SMALLbaby]

That's how I do it.. Twist has a different opinion on the stack.

so its not an overkill if you use both DES and LR3 + mgf and PEG MGF.

on another board ive read that its not good to take DES pre w/o and mgf post cuz they hit same receptors,but rather to take mgf post wo and des next morning?

what dose would be good if i use DES pre wo and lr3 post? (right now i use 70mcg des)

thanks all