Girls have it easier!

[The13ig13adWolf]

That is my whole point, most guys (including myself) find them sexy... and they don't care what some body building chick thinks of them.

I find those girls much more sexy than a body builder girl while she is in high heels, flexing and an over-dark fake tan. If girls are body building, I think they look a lot better relaxed than they do flexed and ready for competition... to me that is

you can't say "most" guys without a test study and since you don't have one...that statement is irrelevant.

in addition, you're comparing them to women who are dieted down and ProTanned for comp prep which is obviously not how they look year round.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Now, if we took a 30%bf man and a 30%bf woman and trained them, the man would look better far sooner than the woman and would reach his goal sooner as well. Such is life.

exactly...

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Yeah but most girls would rather have 95% of the men out there find them hot than to have you find them hot

how do you know?

 

[sword-]

Man,
Did I come in on the tail end of this thread. I think the women who train and have good muscle tone are the sexiest. I agree with the wolf here, The treadmill anorexics do nothing for me. I like a women that has some substance to her, something to hold and to love! I am in awe of how hard they train to achieve their goals.

Yeah I'm on the tail end of it too and I'll co-sign what you just said.

Girls that work out == sexy as f**k provided they dont look masculine

I like the cardio bunnies too provided they aren't anorexic.

 

[MyK]

Yeah but most girls would rather have 95% of the men out there find them hot than to have you find them hot

I disagree 100%

most girls work hard to look good to compete with / get approval from other high status females!!

 

[NeilPearson]

how do you know?

I guess I don't since I'm not a girl. As a guy I know I would rather have girls think I look good than have guys think I look good... I guess I thought the reverse would be true.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I guess I thought the reverse would be true.

It is, save for a few special cases (lesbos). The question isn't, "Who are you trying to impress?", it is "Who are you trying to impress most?", excluding yourself of course.

 

[NeilPearson]

you can't say "most" guys without a test study and since you don't have one...that statement is irrelevant.

I think I can... because I'm a guy and I know what turns my head as well what other guys I know look at. There is a reason most of the top models and actresses have a similar body shape.... because that's what guys want to look at.

 

[NeilPearson]

It is, save for a few special cases (lesbos). The question isn't, "Who are you trying to impress?", it is "Who are you trying to impress most?", excluding yourself of course.

I agree. I'm not a girl but if a girl had to choose between her friend thinking she looks good and the hot guy across the bar thinking she looks good.... my money is on the guy

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

I think I can... because I'm a guy and I know what turns my head as well what other guys I know look at. There is a reason most of the top models and actresses have a similar body shape.... because that's what guys want to look at.

right because you and your friends make up how much of the population??? have you SEEN what runway models look like up close and in person? and um...actresses are all shapes and sizes across the board.

you're generalizing without stats.

in addition, the purpose of a runway show is not so dudes will look at the chicks. the target audience happens to be other women my friend. that's who's purchasing the clothes. which blows your hypothesis out of the water.

 

[NeilPearson]

right because you and your friends make up how much of the population??? have you SEEN what runway models look like up close and in person? and um...actresses are all shapes and sizes across the board.

you're generalizing without stats.

in addition, the purpose of a runway show is not so dudes will look at the chicks. the target audience happens to be other women my friend. that's who's purchasing the clothes. which blows your hypothesis out of the water.

You don't have stats either so don't use that arguement. Show me stats that say guys find girls with muscles more attractive. See we are both just going by our opinions and our views on society and what people like.

Sure runway models aren't for guys looking at them. They are modeling clothes but they are still aiming for what is considered sexy... by both men and women.

It's still the whole idea of what a perfect figure is.

And yeah some actresses are all shapes and sizes but the majority of the actresses are trying for that 'perfect' body shape. Actresses that are old or fat or ugly only fill roles that call specifically for that body shape. If she is to be a romance interest or a cop or a school teacher or a bank robber or anything other than someones fat mother or ugly fat sister she is going to be a 'skinny fat' girl.... almost always

They don't put fat chicks in leading roles for a reason. Guys don't want to go pay to see fat girls in movies. They just don't. They don't get muscle bound girls in these roles for the same reason.

It's the same thing is beauty pageants... Why don't you see fat girls or really built girls in these? It's because they would never win because they just don't fit the standard role of what is attractive.

Here have a look at some actresses and see if you don't see a general trend. This site even has a top 10 hottest.... so obviously someone else out there thinks the same way I do.

http://www.starpulse.com/Actresses/

I understand that you are proud of what you accomplished and I respect that. Just don't think that men will find you sexier than these skinny fat girls just because you have more muscle mass.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

I understand that you are proud of what you accomplished and I respect that. Just don't think that men will find you sexier than these skinny fat girls just because you have more muscle mass.

a. you're wasting your breath on me cuz i could give two shits what men think of my physique. i train to reach my own personal goals as to what I find attractive

b. i asked for stats because YOU'RE the one making the claims. show me what the population finds attractive since YOU think what you and you're friends are into is the way of the world

c. they DO put heavier women in leading rolls. you are incorrect

d. ya gotta do better than a Starpulse link to make me pay attention sparky

 

[NeilPearson]

a. you're wasting your breath on me cuz i could give two shits

b. i asked for stats because YOU'RE the one making the claims. show me what the population finds attractive since YOU think what you and you're friends are into is the way of the world

c. they DO put heavier women in leading rolls. you are incorrect

d. ya gotta do better than a Starpulse link to make me pay attention sparky

Name a movie with a heavier woman in a leading role... for every one, I'll list 10 that have a skinny fat (I would list 50-100 but that would take too much time browsing through movie titles)

The Starpulse link was just the first thing that came up to find lists of actresses to see what they look like. I'm not sure why that isn't credible. You want stats about what people find sexy? Well that is one of them... because someone compiled a top 10 sexy list and it wasn't me or my friends. Here are some more lists of top sexy models and actresses.... Notice the overwhelming 'skinny fats' in the lists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FHM_100_Sexiest_Women
http://www.babelistings.com/
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/office-attachments/girls05.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/27/entertainment/main1441250.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-03-23-fhm-sexiest-women_x.htm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006160423,00.html
http://www.askmen.com/women/actress/index.html

Most of these I haven't looked at yet because I am at work so I'm not sure what is in them but I have a general idea. If you want more just google sexiest women or hottest women (or actresses) and see who comes up.

Now show me a similiar list of hot or sexy girls that isn't mostly skinny fat girls... oh and don't just pull it off a top female bodybuilding site (if it even exists there) since that reflects opinions of a specific small group of people and not the masses.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Renee Zellweger in Bridget Jone's Diary
Nia Vardalos in My Big Fat Greek Wedding
Queen Latifa in Beauty Shop/Last Holiday
America Ferrera in Real Women Have Curves

off the top of my head...

it doesn't matter if you can rattle of 30,000 with skinny fats at the leading ladies. you said "they don't put fat chicks in leading rolls" which implies NEVER which means you are incorrect.

good job googling . i said STATS...not websites. you do know what statistics are do you not? ie. studies, ie. numbers, ie. percentages supporting your argument. either way you're missing my original point. i'm glad you're a skinny fat supporter. more power to ya. HOWEVER, you make a ton of blanket statements that simply don't apply to everyone. call it what it is...you're opinion and move on.

 

[NeilPearson]

Renee Zellweger in Bridget Jone's Diary
Nia Vardalos in My Big Fat Greek Wedding
Queen Latifa in Beauty Shop/Last Holiday
America Ferrera in Real Women Have Curves

off the top of my head...

it doesn't matter if you can rattle of 30,000 with skinny fats at the leading ladies. you said "they don't put fat chicks in leading rolls" which implies NEVER which means you are incorrect.

good job googling . i said STATS...not websites. you do know what statistics are do you not? ie. studies, ie. numbers, ie. percentages supporting your argument. either way you're missing my original point. i'm glad you're a skinny fat supporter. more power to ya. HOWEVER, you make a ton of blanket statements that simply don't apply to everyone. call it what it is...you're opinion and move on.

Of course movies like "Real Women Have Curves" have fat girls... it is central to the story line... Same with Queen Latifa and movies like "phat chicks" or whatever it's called where they make fun of her eating habits. I am talking about movies in general. Of course you will find exceptions to every rule. When I said, "they don't put fat chicks in leading rolls" - it is obviously a general statement, of course there are exceptions to everything. Of course blanket statements don't apply to everyone... that is why they are 'blanket statements'

I can say that men generally don't like to have sex with animals... but I am sure there are some out there that do.

Blanket statements aren't meant to cover every situation... they are meant to cover most situations, and I believe the blanket statements I made generally are true. Of course there are exceptions though.

I don't need to find specific studies of what men like. It is so completely obvious that nobody would both doing a study. Just spend 5 minutes surfing the web or looking at MOST girls in movies, ads, porn flicks, etc and you will find the overwhelming majority of the girls that are considered sexy are skinny fat... and you can't possibly argue that. Suggesting otherwise is ridiculous.

That's all I am saying and you come back with "well here is an exception" type of arguements. Or "show me the stats" even though examples completely surround us.

 

[BillytK03]

I think all fitness girls are hot............ not the anorexic one's tho, they are nasty!!!!


PS- MYK, why is your avatar my picture? unless I have a long lost twin I dont know about!!!???

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

whatever dude. you're making my head hurt.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

PS- MYK, why is your avatar my picture? unless I have a long lost twin I dont know about!!!???

i think that means he likes you...

 

[sword-]

Hah..this thread is getting preety heated for no reason really.

"in addition, the purpose of a runway show is not so dudes will look at the chicks. the target audience happens to be other women my friend. that's who's purchasing the clothes. which blows your hypothesis out of the water."

Aesthetics correlates w/ attractiveness aka sexiness. Fashion pushes an agenda as to what is sexy / attractive and what isn't but that's semi o/t.

And I am not really sure how many men would differentiate a girl who lifts and who doesn't in terms of attractiveness, but some women can't differentiate that either...anyways what is this argument about exactly? Maybe I can comment better on it then.

 

[NeilPearson]

i'm glad you're a skinny fat supporter.

I wouldn't call myself a skinny fat supporter. I'm not against muscular girls (as long as they don't ro roids). I do think you look great too. All I am saying is the general populations idea of a hot girl is the skinny fat look.

I know girls have a harder time getting a buff look than guys do (this is what the thread is about)

I was just agreeing with the others that said a skinny fat chick and a buff girl can both be really sexy but guys don't have that luxury. Skinny fat guys just are considered hot like skinny fat girls are. Guys need to be buff, big and skinny to be considered attractive... girls don't

 

[sword-]

I was just agreeing with the others that said a skinny fat chick and a buff girl can both be really sexy but guys don't have that luxury. Skinny fat guys just are considered hot like skinny fat girls are. Guys need to be buff, big and skinny to be considered attractive... girls don't

Some guys place more value on how a girl's face look rather than their body...so I think THAT does make it easier for some girls.

 

[NeilPearson]

Some guys place more value on how a girl's face look rather than their body...so I think THAT does make it easier for some girls.

I agree. The girls that are considered the hottest movie stars all have pretty faces too. Having a decent amount of muscle isn't a pre-requisite to being a super model or a top sexy movie actress. Being pretty and thin is though.

Men on the other hand, for men to be considered sexy from a purely physical standpoint, they need to have a good level of muscle mass.

However, men's sexiness can be boosted up a few levels because of money, power, etc... but the sexiest men have money, power, fame, a decent amount of muscle and 6 pack abs.

 

[MyK]

this thread is gay!

lock it!

 

[NeilPearson]

this thread is gay!

lock it!

 

[MyK]

 

[BillytK03]

MyK!!!!!!! I want the picture of me back please!!!!!! LOL!!! Are you my long lost twin??

 

[Trouble]

Wolfie said "muscles do not 'tone', they grow and shrink."

Finally....truth.

And skinny fat is not healthy.

 

[Bakerboy]

 

[MyK]

I think all fitness girls are hot............ not the anorexic one's tho, they are nasty!!!!


PS- MYK, why is your avatar my picture? unless I have a long lost twin I dont know about!!!???

WTF. why did you steal my avatar????????

thats soo weird!

 

[SubliminalX]

Haha, this thread went downhill fast. It was a good topic.

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It is easier for a woman to attain an ideal body based on the standards of a majority of society when compared to a man. Now, walking around the Philly area, about 2% manage to do it.

Now, if we took a 30%bf man and a 30%bf woman and trained them, the man would look better far sooner than the woman and would reach his goal sooner as well. Such is life.

Here's a gal who is probably about 25% BF:

Here's a guy who is probably about 25% BF:

It's pretty clear that that the gal is already at a "hot" status according to general social perceptions. The guy has a ways to go. But I agree that the physical response to training and diet is better for men than women, all things being equal. That's no secret, but that's a whole separate issue. Seems like most everyone on this thread kept confusing "social standards" and "personal standards" for attractiveness and ended up arguing over different things.

Bottom line is, a woman needs to have maybe a top 30% body to be considered "hot." Men need to be about top 5% or even top 1-2% to be considered "hot."