Gun Politics, Gun control and such

[Zaphod]

ok you shoot some one in cold blood your in prison, how is that protecting your family? As much as i would love to talk and sound bad ass about shooting the guy the fact is i would never. I have shot people in war and I have seen people die. If I never have to experience that again in my life i will be happy. The IRS all ready has a contingency plan they they have trained employees on. The first step is to force a federal registration.
Forcing yearly registration cost, One a persona registration to own a handgun 300$ a year, next would be a rifle $300 ($ amounts are just values not actual costs but they were close from what i remember seeing) Yearly fees for each gun you own 225$. There was TONS more registration fees so you can see for someone owning a good gun collection it could get close to 5-10k a year. This goal is to try to remove the mind set of guns its the first stage in what they have planned.

The second would be an overall ban, turn in guns, if you fail to then the IRS can start taking away wages and remove some benefits. Now here is the kicker what they want to do. Not paying taxes is a federal offence. Having a felony will not allow you own a fire arm completely. So you may not land in jail, but they can charge you will tax evasion send you a paper in the mail stating to appear at court and now your charged and sent home.

So enlighten me where this is taking care of your family? Money does not trump all, but if it comes down to my ability to run my company, feed my family then yes i will hand my weapons over and fight it in a diplomatic way. You shoot some one in the face that only gives them more fire to ban guns. The democratic party will have a fiesta with those new broadcastings. I dont like it as much as anything else, but it is just a fact that I value my freedom more then this country. If this country wants to strip away my rights, i am sorry, but I will not be an idiot and go shoot someone and land a life sentence in prison. I will sale my company and find a place that supports my beliefs and if you call that gutless or not patriotic then you need to rethink a few things, because i have spilled blood for this country and I have buried best friends for this country. I have had to engage children at war because they are shooting at me. So if this country wants to shit on me and my rights, the yuppies and Obama lovers can have it. I will be happy to move to Switzerland.

You make the decision to sacrifice for this country but when it comes down to money you will sacrifice your principles, freedoms, and everything you stood for while in the military? How do you plan to protest when the wheels are in motion to make it illegal to protest? You are willing to throw away everything you stand/stood for all for your love of money? If I have to make that sacrifice to make sure my children can live in a free country then I am willing to do so. Save yourself the trouble, pack up your family, and move to Switzerland. Just so you know, it will cost you a good some of money to give up your US citizenship. Turning in your passport is being taxed now, too.

You can't even leave this country without it costing you. What's your course of action now? When you want to travel from state to state are you going to show your papers or are you going to tell officer friendly to kindly go fuck himself? The border patrol is no longer just working the border in case you haven't heard. Check points dozens of miles from the border?

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[h=2]4 CNN Liberals Walk into a Bar? and Defend Gun Rights?[/h]Anthony Bourdain: There are a lot of nice people in this country... and a lot of them own AR-15s.

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One of the more interesting shows on television is Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown on CNN. Sunday was the season finale, where host Bourdain traveled to Detroit to explore the food and culture. After the episode ? ?The Last Bite? ? Bourdain gathered with friends in a Las Vegas bar to discuss the season, which included a segment filmed in New Mexico that featured ?gun culture.? CNN host Don Lemon joined Bourdain, along with Roy Choi (author of L.A. Son) and actor Wendell Pierce.



Bourdain, an avowed ?New York lefty,? admitted that he likes guns and expressed his respect for American gun owners:

These people in the segment, as many people in red state America ? in gun country America ? these are nice people. They like guns. As a matter of fact, I?ve gotta admit, I like guns. I like holding guns. I like shooting guns.
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He explained more in a blog post about the New Mexico episode:

In New York, where I live, the appearance of a gun?anywhere?is a cause for immediate and extreme alarm. Yet, in much of America, I have come to find, it?s perfectly normal. I?ve walked many times into bars in Missouri, Nevada, Texas, where absolutely everyone is packing. I?ve sat down many times to dinner in perfectly nice family homes where?at end of dinner?Mom swings open the gun locker and invites us all to step into the back yard and pot some beer cans. That may not be Piers Morgan?s idea of normal. It may not be yours. But that?s a facet of American life that?s unlikely to change.
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Bourdain described author Roy Choi as a peace-loving leftist, recalling that his family had defended Koreatown during the ?92 riots with semi-automatic guns and shotguns with no support from the city government or the police. He asked Choi if Americans should be able to get AR-15s easily.
Choi said, ?I?m from Los Angeles, so the numbers and the semi-automatics are, for us, it?s more about protection, whether it?s the Korean community or down in the inner cities. It?s really about ? the guns are a part of the culture in Los Angeles, whether or not we want to agree with it or not and they ? in the Korean community a lot of times they existed in stores. They existed as protection.? Choi said we should be talking about jobs and human rights instead of guns.
Lemon admitted that he had once owned an AR-15. ?Listen, similar to you, I did own an AR-15. After covering [the Aurora shooting] I bought an AR-15 in Colorado because I wanted to go through the process of seeing how quickly ? took me 20-30 minutes to get an AR-15 and I wasn?t even a resident of Colorado.? Lemon has since sold the gun but said he has ?evolved? on his gun stance over the last year. ?I don?t want to be a sitting duck. If other people have guns and they?re not going away, I?m wondering, should I be armed myself if everyone on the block is armed and I?m not??
Bourdain said we shouldn?t compare the United States to Europe or Great Britain and said doing so didn?t help the discourse. ?It doesn?t help. We?re not them.?
Lemon agreed, adding that comparing all gun owners to those who shoot up shopping malls isn?t helpful, either. ?Those people who you were out shooting with ? those were law-abiding citizens who were trained for guns and respect them. They?re not the people going into malls and shooting people. So there are two different ways to look at this. Yes, it?s mental health. But for the most part the people who have guns and who carry AR-15s, most of them are not shooting up people.?

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Wendell Pierce blamed the gun lobby for inciting fear and increasing gun sales.
Bourdain said, ?There are people on the left as well. People tend to get shrieky when something awful happens.?
Pierce (not to be confused with CNN gun-grabber Piers Morgan) told the group that he had been tempted to buy a gun. ?Listen, I don?t own a gun but the discourse got so crazy in California at one point after one of the last shootings that I wanted to go out and buy a gun. They had me believing that they?re going to take away guns so much that I?m going to have to go out and get one ? I probably should go out and get one before??
Lemon added that illegal gun owners on the street ?aren?t going to go for background checks. They?re not going to do ? they?re going to get guns illegally and they?re just going to buy them.?
Bourdain said we need to find common ground and suggested we could agree on limiting straw buyers. ?If we just stop talking about every gun owner like they?re an extremist, a lunatic, necessarily right wing. ? I don?t think we?re doing ourselves or anybody any good.?
He asked his guests if they would own a gun if they lived in Montana.
Lemon said, ?Absolutely.?
Choi, who had already said he has been a lifelong gun owner, said, ?Yeah, I probably would and go through a background check, though.?
Even Pierce admitted, ?I would definitely own a gun if I lived in Montana.?
Lemon added, ?I don?t know if I would own a gun living in the city, but yeah, absolutely if I lived in Montana. Why not??
(Might I suggest that Lemon look up the crime statistics in ?the city? and Montana?)

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There are probably a lot of things Anthony Bourdain and I disagree about, but I appreciate his refreshingly frank appeal to his left-wing friends to try to understand gun culture:

I may be a New York lefty?with all the experiences, prejudices and attitudes that one would expect to come along with that, but I do NOT believe that we will reduce gun violence?or reach any kind of consensus?by shrieking at each other. Gun owners?the vast majority of them I have met?are NOT idiots. They are NOT psychos. They are not even necessarily Republican (New Mexico, by the way, is a Blue state). They are not hicks, right wing ?nuts? or necessarily violent by nature. And if ?we? have any hope of ever changing anything in this country in the cause of reason?and the safety of our children?we should stop talking about a significant part of our population as if they were lesser, stupider or crazier than we are.
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As someone who recently ?evolved? on guns myself, I understand the fear many people have of firearms and the culture that goes along with it. But as Bourdain says, it?s not going away and we need to find a way to talk about this without demonizing each other:

Gun culture goes DEEP in this country. Deep?.When people start equating guns?ALL guns?as evil?as something to be eradicated, a whole helluva lot of people are going to get defensive. The conversation so far has illuminated, instead of any substantial issues, mostly the huge cultural divide between those like me who live in coastal cities with restrictive gun laws?and that vast swath of America who live very differently. We don?t understand how they live. And they don?t understand how we could POSSIBLY live the way we live. A little respect for that difference might be a good thing. The contempt, mockery and total lack of understanding for all those people ?out there? by deep thinkers and pundits who?ve never sat down for a cold beer in a bar full of camo-wearing duck hunters is both despicable and counterproductive?There are a lot of nice people in this country. A whole helluva lot of them, like it or not, own AR 15s. If we can?t have at least, a conversation with them, sit down, break bread? about where we are going and how we are going to get there, there is no hope at all.
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Well said, Mr. Bourdain. A lot more breaking bread, a few more giant pierogies, and a lot less demonizing (on both sides) would do us all well as a nation.
By the way, could someone please let Piers Morgan know that he may be the last anti-gun crusader at CNN now?
And also, warn Anthony Bourdain that he might want to see a doctor. There are some very obvious signs that he may be in the process of evolving into a libertarian.

 

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[h=1]GUN CONTROL SUPPORTER CAUGHT ON VIDEO THREATENING TO ?KILL? COLORADO RECALL ACTIVISTS?WITH A GUN[/h]Nov. 15, 2013 4:45pm Jason Howerton

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A man believed to be a supporter of Colorado state Sen. Evie Hudak (D), a strong advocate for gun control, was caught on video threatening to ?kill? a group of recall activists who were gathering signatures to recall the Democratic lawmaker.
The recall activists uploaded the short video of the incident on YouTube on Thursday. The exchange reportedly took place outside the public library in Arvada, Colo. As Capitol City Project?s Stephen Gutowski points out, the YouTube account ?appears to be connected to an organization named Recall Hudak Too.?
?I?m gonna go home and get a gun and come back and kill you mother f***ers,? the man, riding a bike, can be heard telling the recall activists. ?Would you like that??
?Have a blessed day, sir,? one of the activists replies.
It is unclear what occurred leading up to the man?s death threat as the video is only 9 seconds long. It is certainly possible that the man was provoked, but further context wasn?t immediately available.
Watch the video below (Warning: Strong language):

After successfully recalling two anti-gun state senators earlier this year, recall activists are hoping that they can use the momentum to get rid of Hudak as well. State Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron were both removed from office by voters over their support for gun control.
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Death Threat from Hudak Supporter 2013 11 13 - YouTube

 

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[h=1]HAWAII'S GUN RESTRICTIONS DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL[/h]

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by WARNER TODD HUSTON 21 Mar 2014, 12:45 PM PDT 2POST A COMMENT

[h=2]On the heels of two Ninth Circuit Court decisions striking down restrictions on concealed carry permits in California, the same court just put Hawaii on notice that some of its gun restrictions need to be changed as well.[/h]Early in February, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held that San Diego County's rule requiring residents to show "good cause" before being allowed to obtain a concealed carry permit violates the Second Amendment.
"The court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is, in and of itself, a sufficient cause for bearing arms for self-defense. Moreover, it is a sufficient cause both inside and outside of one's domicile," Breitbart reported on February 13.
Forcing citizens to prove to the government why they should be allowed to gain a carry permit is a process called "may issue." With a may issue rule, government puts the onus on citizens to prove that they should be allowed to observe their Second Amendment rights. The Ninth Circuit essentially informed the California county that it must institute a "shall issue" rule, one that assumes the citizen is eligible for a permit unless government can prove otherwise.
This same rule has now been struck down for Hawaii and by the same Circuit Court.
With the case Baker v. Kealoha (9th Cir. Mar. 20, 2014), the Ninth Circuit ruled that Hawaii's restrictions were just like San Diego County's and the rules would have to be reworked to conform to earlier court decisions.
Law professor Eugene Volokh notes that gun rights advocates cannot start celebrating just yet because various cases are still making their way through the courts and these decisions could be overturned. But he also says that the law has been moving in the direction of expanding Second Amendment rights, not restricting them, so the "writing is on the wall" for gun control fanatics.

 

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[h=1]FLORIDA HOUSE ADDS WARNING SHOT ALLOWANCE TO 'STAND YOUR GROUND'[/h]

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by AWR HAWKINS 20 Mar 2014 275POST A COMMENT

[h=2]On March 20th the Florida House passed warning shot legislation 93-24.[/h]This would allow citizens under attack to fire a warning shot instead of retreating and instead of shooting the attacker immediately.
According to Bradenton.com, bill sponsor Neil Combee (R-Auburndale) said he pushed this bill for the sake of Marissa Alexander.
According to US News & World Report, Alexander was arrested in August 2010 after firing a warning shot while being attacked by her estranged husband. She was tried and convicted, served 21 months of a 20-year sentence, was freed, and will face retrial on July 28th.
Combee's bill had broad Republican support, with some support from Democrats as well, although state representative Perry Thurston (D-Fort Lauderdale) sought to amend the bill and use it to "make major changes to 'stand your ground.'"
The Florida Senate "tentatively" passed a bill similar to Cumbee's on March 20th. It will come up for a floor vote in the senate on March 26th.
Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

 

[Zaphod]

How about a warning shot right in the face? Get the warning shot off and the stopper all in one.

 

[ALBOB]

How about a warning shot right in the face? Get the warning shot off and the stopper all in one.

Yeah, I think that warning shot "law" is a very, VERY bad idea. A gun is deadly force. Deadly force should be used when you fear your life is in danger. If you fear your life is in danger you shoot for center mass. Warning shots are absolute 100% bullshit.

 

[Zaphod]

I can see it now: "Why didn't you just fire a warning shot?"
"I did. He just jumped in front of it."