Gym arguement

[Dale Mabry]

Me, or the headphones?

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Me, or the headphones?

both

 

[scbz01602]

I never bother to debate topics like that at a gym, but if he came up to me when I was lifting and started telling me how to lift I would just smile and tell him his opinions were interisting.

That's exactly how to approach such an argument- don't even start it.
The gym is not a place to argue either opinion; it may be accepted here and other forums but the gym is a completely different issue. I would never approach another guy at a gym to comment on something... it creates an aura of disrespect.
I actually try to avoid any conversation in the gym. It can get annoying when you come across two guys or girls just chatting away in front of the squat rack... taking up space.

 

[scbz01602]

Exactly.

Some dude came up to me a while ago and told me I should restrict my range of motion to avoid injury. I just looked at him with a blank stare, I thought about saying something really sarcastic but didn't. After a few seconds he could see I wasn't going to respond, so he said something like "Man, I used to be a personal trainer back in the day. I aint bullshittin you are nuttin." Then I just gave him another blank stare and he left me alone.

I have a strange opinion on guys like this. In some ways, I respect them, because they would not say anything if they didn't care. In their minds, they want to help fellow lifters. In some other ways though, I disrespect them. Gym time = Exercise time, not social hour.

 

[fufu]

I don't think some of you understand the situation. He was done training and I had not started yet. He asked for a spot after that we got into a little converstaion. We were the only two people in the gym, and at the time it was being remodeling, alot of equipment wasn't even accessable. We weren't disrespecting each, we were talking about power lifting and the subject of belts came up. I wasn't trying to force anything on him, I was just expressing my opinion.

 

[Trouble]

Only serious flaw I saw in logic within thread posts:

"You are lifting at 90% of your 1RM or greater."

Neither strength nor hypertrophy will be gained from training repetitively at an intensity higher than 90% of 1RM.

Impaired Performances with Excessive High-Intensity Free-Weight Training.
The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: Vol. 14, No. 1, pp. 54???61.

ANDREW C. FRY,a JESSE M. WEBBER,a LAWRENCE W. WEISS,a MARY D. FRY,a and YUHUA LIa. aHuman Performance Laboratories, The University of Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee 38152.

The purpose of this study was to determine if 3 weeks of high relative intensity (percent one repetition maximum [1RM]) free-weight resistance training using the parallel barbell squat results in overtraining and to determine what types of performance would be affected. Six weight-trained males ( ± SD; age = 27.5 ± 5.4 year) trained 2 d·wk−1 for 4 weeks with a normal protocol (Monday, 3 ?? 10 repetition maximum [RM]; Thursday, 3 ?? 5 RM), followed by 3 weeks of high-intensity training 3 d·wk−1 (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) using 2 ?? 1 95% 1RM and 3 ?? 1 90% 1RM. A time-series study design was utilized, with each subject serving as his own control (pretest [Pre] − test 1 = normal training; tests 1???4 = high-intensity training; test 4 − posttest [Post] = recovery). One repetition maximum increased (p < 0.05) during normal training but did not change during high-intensity or recovery training (Pre = 139.5 ± 29.9 kg; test 1 = 154.6 ± 27.7 kg; test 2 = 160.3 ± 26.9 kg; test 3 = 163.7 ± 27.9 kg; test 4 = 161.0 ± 27.2 kg; Post = 161.7 ± 33.3 kg). Muscular and joint pain and soreness were not evident according to self-report training questionnaires. Also during the high-intensity phase, sprint times for 9.1 m increased (test 1 = 1.75 ± 0.12 seconds; test 4 = 1.86 ± 0.12 seconds) and peak isokinetic squat force at 0.20 m·s−1 decreased (test 1 = 2,473.2 ± 685.6 N; test 4 = 2,193.3 ± 534.5 N). In general, no changes were observed for body composition, flexibility, lower body reaction time, vertical jumps, 36.6-m sprints, lateral agility, isokinetic squat force at 0.82 and 1.43 m·s−1, or isokinetic back extension at 0.17 and 1.05 rad·s−1. Although use of single repetitions at a high relative intensity is often used to increase 1RM, this was not observed in the present study. While 1RM performance did not decrease, other performance measures were adversely affected, suggestive of an excessive use of high relative intensity resistance exercise.

One of many studies supporting use of a intensity of effort maximum at 90% or lower when training for anything more than a *few* lifts (as in max power training days for PL training, not typically employed by bodybuilders).

Sports Med. 2004;34(10):663-79. Related Articles, Links

The role of resistance exercise intensity on muscle fibre adaptations.

Fry AC.

Human Performance Laboratories, The University of Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee 38152, USA. afry@memphis.edu

Although many training variables contribute to the performance, cellular and molecular adaptations to resistance exercise, relative intensity (% 1 repetition maximum [%1RM]) appears to be an important factor. This review summarises and analyses data from numerous resistance exercise training studies that have monitored percentage fibre type, fibre type cross-sectional areas, percentage cross-sectional areas, and myosin heavy chain (MHC) isoform expression. In general, relative intensity appears to account for 18-35% of the variance for the hypertrophy response to resistance exercise.

On the other hand, fibre type and MHC transitions were not related to the relative intensity used for training. When competitive lifters were compared, those typically utilising the heaviest loads (> or =90% 1RM), that is weightlifters and powerlifters, exhibited a preferential hypertrophy of type II fibres when compared with body builders who appear to equally hypertrophy both type I and type II fibres. These data suggest that maximal hypertrophy occurs with loads from 80-95% 1RM.

Caveat- yjr asbove is true when you train like a PLer or Olympic lifter, with relatively few max effort days interspersed with fast paced, lower intensity, higher rep training days.

 

[ablc]

do people often stab each other at your gym? maybe its time to get a membership somewhere else............

No, it's generally a non-violent place, and the only place in my city I'll go. But I did get pulled on once, some guy found out about my fight training and wanted to show me how worthless it is in a real-life situation

Burner, our only problem is that everybody wants the cage. There's some sort of a heirarchy established...usually works smoothly, even if workouts have to be adjusted on occasion

 

[assassin]

yeah i see stupid ppl who wear the belt every where and also the gloves.... any way i try not to wear straps or belts or any stuff like this maybe in the future if i became a pro and i lifted ronnie colemans weight i guess i'll have to wear a belt ...... if i only wanted safety movements i won't even squat at all i'll go to machines.....

 

[CowPimp]

Only serious flaw I saw in logic within thread posts:

"You are lifting at 90% of your 1RM or greater."

Neither strength nor hypertrophy will be gained from training repetitively at an intensity higher than 90% of 1RM.

Impaired Performances with Excessive High-Intensity Free-Weight Training.
The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: Vol. 14, No. 1, pp. 54???61.

ANDREW C. FRY,a JESSE M. WEBBER,a LAWRENCE W. WEISS,a MARY D. FRY,a and YUHUA LIa. aHuman Performance Laboratories, The University of Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee 38152.

The purpose of this study was to determine if 3 weeks of high relative intensity (percent one repetition maximum [1RM]) free-weight resistance training using the parallel barbell squat results in overtraining and to determine what types of performance would be affected. Six weight-trained males ( ± SD; age = 27.5 ± 5.4 year) trained 2 d·wk−1 for 4 weeks with a normal protocol (Monday, 3 ?? 10 repetition maximum [RM]; Thursday, 3 ?? 5 RM), followed by 3 weeks of high-intensity training 3 d·wk−1 (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) using 2 ?? 1 95% 1RM and 3 ?? 1 90% 1RM. A time-series study design was utilized, with each subject serving as his own control (pretest [Pre] − test 1 = normal training; tests 1???4 = high-intensity training; test 4 − posttest [Post] = recovery). One repetition maximum increased (p < 0.05) during normal training but did not change during high-intensity or recovery training (Pre = 139.5 ± 29.9 kg; test 1 = 154.6 ± 27.7 kg; test 2 = 160.3 ± 26.9 kg; test 3 = 163.7 ± 27.9 kg; test 4 = 161.0 ± 27.2 kg; Post = 161.7 ± 33.3 kg). Muscular and joint pain and soreness were not evident according to self-report training questionnaires. Also during the high-intensity phase, sprint times for 9.1 m increased (test 1 = 1.75 ± 0.12 seconds; test 4 = 1.86 ± 0.12 seconds) and peak isokinetic squat force at 0.20 m·s−1 decreased (test 1 = 2,473.2 ± 685.6 N; test 4 = 2,193.3 ± 534.5 N). In general, no changes were observed for body composition, flexibility, lower body reaction time, vertical jumps, 36.6-m sprints, lateral agility, isokinetic squat force at 0.82 and 1.43 m·s−1, or isokinetic back extension at 0.17 and 1.05 rad·s−1. Although use of single repetitions at a high relative intensity is often used to increase 1RM, this was not observed in the present study. While 1RM performance did not decrease, other performance measures were adversely affected, suggestive of an excessive use of high relative intensity resistance exercise.

One of many studies supporting use of a intensity of effort maximum at 90% or lower when training for anything more than a *few* lifts (as in max power training days for PL training, not typically employed by bodybuilders).

Sports Med. 2004;34(10):663-79. Related Articles, Links

The role of resistance exercise intensity on muscle fibre adaptations.

Fry AC.

Human Performance Laboratories, The University of Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee 38152, USA. afry@memphis.edu

Although many training variables contribute to the performance, cellular and molecular adaptations to resistance exercise, relative intensity (% 1 repetition maximum [%1RM]) appears to be an important factor. This review summarises and analyses data from numerous resistance exercise training studies that have monitored percentage fibre type, fibre type cross-sectional areas, percentage cross-sectional areas, and myosin heavy chain (MHC) isoform expression. In general, relative intensity appears to account for 18-35% of the variance for the hypertrophy response to resistance exercise.

On the other hand, fibre type and MHC transitions were not related to the relative intensity used for training. When competitive lifters were compared, those typically utilising the heaviest loads (> or =90% 1RM), that is weightlifters and powerlifters, exhibited a preferential hypertrophy of type II fibres when compared with body builders who appear to equally hypertrophy both type I and type II fibres. These data suggest that maximal hypertrophy occurs with loads from 80-95% 1RM.

Caveat- yjr asbove is true when you train like a PLer or Olympic lifter, with relatively few max effort days interspersed with fast paced, lower intensity, higher rep training days.

I'm not suggesting you always lift at 90% of your 1RM or greater, but suggesting that you really shouldn't need to use a belt unless you do encroach on this intensity level.

Also, this recommendation is straight from the NSCA, which is based on multiple studies.

 

[sword-]

I've never gotten into the habit of using a belt for squats and deads and I do 315 and 405 for each of them. I was told at 275 on squats that I needed a belt

Obviously the exception is if you are doing a 1RM, but even then unless you have a bad back just use a squat rack. I've had to drop weights in squat racks because it was too much for me at the time and my back is fine.

 

[MyK]

I've never gotten into the habit of using a belt for squats and deads and I do 315 and 405 for each of them. I was told at 275 on squats that I needed a belt

Obviously the exception is if you are doing a 1RM, but even then unless you have a bad back just use a squat rack. I've had to drop weights in squat racks because it was too much for me at the time and my back is fine.

in the gym? what happened?

 

[sword-]

in the gym? what happened?

Simple enough, I couldn't get it back up It's only happened twice so it's all good.