Here I Am... First T cycle

[CityHunter]

Hi there,

After couple of years of Built's training (Baby got Back) and the learning of a proper diet, I decided to do my first cycle.

After having took some advices and read a lot about it, here is what I plan to do for my first one :


CITYHUNTER???S 10 WEEKS CYCLE


Cycle :


Sunday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Monday : 10mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)

Tuesday : 10mg Aromasin / 250mg Enanthate /1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Wednesday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Thursday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Friday : 10mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Saturday : 10mg Aromasin / 250mg Enanthate / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)



Post Cycle Therapy :

16 days of : 2500iu HCG each day.

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day during 3 weeks and the week 4, 50mg taken once per day)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
10g creatine daily

1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

 

[Digitalash]

Looks pretty solid except for a few things. For one I wouldn't use the proscar unless you absolutely need it. 500mg test for 10 weeks is almost definitely not going to be an issue unless you're SERIOUSLY prone to male pattern baldness. It also comes with some less than positive side effects that you would be better off avoiding unless necessary. Also I don't think you will need 100mg clomid for the first 3 weeks, just for the first one and then 50mg should be plenty. 50mg is really enough for recovery, the higher dosage in the front is just to help get blood levels up quickly as clomid has a pretty long half life and takes a bit to build up in the system. 100mg will likely provide no real additional benefit to your recovery but will probably increase the side effects (vision/mood swings etc.)

What are your stats though? Height/weight especially. 500mg test is a nice way to get your feet wet but personally I would've liked to go a little higher on my first run. I definitely would reccomend kickstarting with 25-30mg dbol for the first 4 weeks, or 100mg prop every other day. Some may disagree in the interest of playing it safe, but I would go so far as to say grab a third vial of test E so that you can up your dosage to 650mg or so towards the end of the cycle. Gains really seem to come to a grinding halt around week 8 due to myostatin levels increasing, and if you've made it that far with minimal sides I see no issue with throwing in a little more test to keep things moving. Just my .02

 

[ANIMALHAUS]

Your pinning days should be adjusted. If you want to start your pin on Tuesday you should then pin on Friday.

 

[suprfast]

Oh I am in this for sure. Its my boy City. BGB was a wonderful base. I do my own variation of it now but follow it and still feel like I am making gains.

 

[suprfast]

Your pins are split funky. Its probably not a huge deal but I wouldnt mind seeing it split a tad more evenly like stated above.

The HCG is dosed pretty high also. 500iu per week is really all you need. I did basically the same cycle as you and similar to Digital states a dbol would have probably been a lot nicer. I have no experience with it though so I am speaking from speculation. I wasnt really impressed with the test only cycle at 500mg/wk.

My only word of caution is acne. I didnt get it BAD but I got some. Pick up some 10% benzol peroxide from the store(generic or brand name) and apply it like a lotion after your shower(up to three times a day) on the acne affected area. Rub it in, just like a lotion.

I can't speak for much more on the cycle but it looks like digital already did.

Any questions hit me up City. Awesome seeing you come to the dark side.

 

[Digitalash]

No homo but I like to use one of those exfoliating face washes with the gritty stuff in it, removes the dead skin and opens your pores and then you use a benzoyl peroxide lotion to kill the bacteria. If you put it on your face before you go to sleep and just let it sit it'll get rid of most of your acne overnight. Also get one of those long handle scrub brushes so you can scrub the shit out of your upper back/shoulders and that should keep the acne to a minimum. Really oily skin and lots of acne can also be related to estrogen so if you get that make sure you're using enough AI

 

[justhav2p]

have more then 10 weeks worth of gear...

Reasons: alot of dipshit suppliers short vials .5 >
you might fuck up a shot
if your still gaining on week 10, you might want to extend it a few more weeks.

 

[CityHunter]

Thx guys for the help I really appreciate. I'm waiting Juggie and/or Built corrections to begin ;-)


Digital thanks for helping, my weight is right now at 94kg and I'm 6.4'high.

Hey Suprfast!!!!!! what's up buddy!?? So you weren't satisfied by you 500mg T cycle???? No gain just acne?? Tell me more about it.


By the way do you have a brand name for the 10% benzol peroxyde??

 

[justhav2p]

anyone who isnt satisfied with their 500 mgs of test for first cycle got bunk gear.

 

[bigbenj]

I hate to say it, because I know his source, but I was thinking that too.

 

[CityHunter]

what do you mean???

 

[suprfast]

Thx guys for the help I really appreciate. I'm waiting Juggie and/or Built corrections to begin ;-)


Digital thanks for helping, my weight is right now at 94kg and I'm 6.4'high.

Hey Suprfast!!!!!! what's up buddy!?? So you weren't satisfied by you 500mg T cycle???? No gain just acne?? Tell me more about it.


By the way do you have a brand name for the 10% benzol peroxyde??

The brand I have is made by my pharmacy. I know it wont help you out any since its a US based pharmacy.

this should work though
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Clear-P...JL/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1324786266&sr=8-16

Ill address the other comments by PM. Bigbenj Ill be chatting with you in a minute.

 

[Roaddkingg]

IMO If you do the HCG@500 iu's on cycle there should be no need to do it after.
Just keep doing your aromasin, wait two weeks for esters to clear and begin your PCT.
A pin schedule that works well for me to keep levels steady would be tues & fridays.
I agree completly with the consensus since test is the base to any cycle it would be good as a stand alone.
Test E & cypionate are almost identical but I didnt realize cypionate was a smoother shot.
Thats good info.
Arimadex works very well for on cycle but aromasin would be my choice for PCT.

 

[juggernaut]

CH, all of these are fine recommendations. Make the adjustments accordingly.

 

[Roaddkingg]

After looking over your planned cycle one more thing came to mind.
You could go lighter on the clomid for PCT.
100, 75 then 50 and 50 seems a bit more reasonable but the aromasin part looks good.
And like I had said if you do HCG during I dont think you would have the need to do any after cycle prior to PCT.
Some do but it may be a bit much IMO.
I'm real glad you are planning it out so well and looking for suggestions.
Thats very wise.

 

[CityHunter]

OK so...

Alright Alright, first, thanks all for your precious help! Especially Juggernaut who has been really patient with me.... REALLY!

First : I'm gonna listen Digital and going a little bit higher on Test doing a 600mg weekly, but definitely using Proscar! (I'm using it for 5 years now, 1,25mg per day without any sides and my hair are beautiful lol). I will follow HeavyIron advice and not taking the risk to stack anything else with the T. It would be good enough as a stand alone like Roaddkingg said.

Secondly : AnimalHouse and Suprfast are right my pining day weren't right and need to be readjusted on tuesday and friday. (By the way Suprfast, I already had benzol peroxyde ;-)) . Concerning HCG, I read what you guys wrote and will follow the 500Iu twice a week on cycle and stop it after. But I'd rather be safe doing 1000 Iu injections after my 10 weeks cycle just to be sure to have my boys back ;-) Tell me what do you think about that???
I will go lighter on clomid, see above.

Here is the modification of my cycle, tell me guys if you're ok with that :

CITYHUNTER’S 10 WEEKS CYCLE 600mg T Enanthate


Cycle :


Sunday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Monday : 10mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)

Tuesday : 10mg Aromasin / 300mg Enanthate /1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Wednesday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Thursday : 10mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Friday : 10mg Aromasin /300mg Enanthate / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Saturday : 10mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)



Post Cycle Therapy :

16 days of : 1000iu HCG each day.

100/75/50/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day during 3 weeks and the week 4, 50mg taken once per day)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
10g creatine daily

1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)



Few questions :

- Just to be sure, concerning the PCT, it begins after the 16 days of HCG injections, during these 16 days, I stop everything except HCG, and begin after Aromasin and Clomid, Am I correct?

- Should I use Nolvadex? If yes when an how much?

- Should I buy Tamoxifen in case of emergency for Gyno???

 

[suprfast]

Few questions :

- Just to be sure, concerning the PCT, it begins after the 16 days of HCG injections, during these 16 days, I stop everything except HCG, and begin after Aromasin and Clomid, Am I correct?

- Should I use Nolvadex? If yes when an how much?

- Should I buy Tamoxifen in case of emergency for Gyno???

Nolvadex and Tamoxifen are one in the same, just different names. Will you probably need it? most likely not. Would I have some on hand. Hell yes. I was told and Im going to quote, "Nothing like waiting for nolva to come in when you have sore nips." Its always better to have extra insurance.

For the first part, where are you getting 16 days of injections. If you run HCG there is no need to Blast it as hard as the heavy article states. You will use close to the same amount of HCG in the last two weeks as you did during the whole cycle. I read that too and all I did was run 1000iu per week(500iu with each test, but subQ not IM). I realized in the above post I made it said 500iu per week. I goofed.
If you run HCG during cycle Id up the hcg to 1000iu per injection(2000iu for week) for the two weeks following cycle. PCT will follow two weeks after your last pin. Many might even say no need for HCG while the test clears since you ran hcg the whole time. Ehhh, my nuts are fine at this point.

 

[suprfast]

This is what I did, during cycle but I was at 500mg not 600. More or less the same

 

[CityHunter]

Ok with corrections :


CITYHUNTER’S 10 WEEKS CYCLE 600mg T Enanthate


Cycle :


Sunday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Monday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)

Tuesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 300mg Enanthate /1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Wednesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Thursday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Friday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin /300mg Enanthate / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Saturday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)



Post Cycle Therapy :

2 weeks waiting the esters clear out with 2 injections of HCG. 1000iu HCG on monday and 1000iu on saturday

100/75/50/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day during 3 weeks and the week 4, 50mg taken once per day) (is it enough???????)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
10g creatine daily

1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

 

[dgp]

I dont see the need for Proscar and Aromasin . It is overkill. Proscar inhibits the body's production of an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase, which is needed to convert testosterone to another androgen called 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Aromasin, is a very potent AI which works by blocking the aromatase enzyme in the body. Did I just repeat myself? I think I did.

 

[suprfast]

I would definitely run Aromasin. Havent a clue what proscar is though.

 

[CityHunter]

I dont see the need for Proscar and Aromasin . It is overkill. Proscar inhibits the body's production of an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase, which is needed to convert testosterone to another androgen called 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Aromasin, is a very potent AI which works by blocking the aromatase enzyme in the body. Did I just repeat myself? I think I did.

The purpose are different for Aromasin and Proscar. Proscar is for my hair that's it. Absolutely not overkill. I took it since 5 year now.

 

[suprfast]

The purpose are different for Aromasin and Proscar. Proscar is for my hair that's it. Absolutely not overkill. I took it since 5 year now.

If its irrelevant to the cycle I would just omit it from the above weekly sheets you are making. '

We will assume you are taking fish oil and a multi so adding this information would be redundant, though it doesnt hurt to add just so you wont get glamed by the random one ass hat. If you are not taking it, now is the time to start.

 

[CityHunter]

Ok. Concerning the cycle, no others comments?????

If not... Let's order...

 

[hoyle21]

Ok. Concerning the cycle, no others comments?????

If not... Let's order...

Might want to kick start with an oral. Test E is going to 3-5 weeks to kick in. If you need quicker results for the effort of sticking an inch and a half long needle in your ass twice a week might want to do it.

Run an oral kicker for 5 weeks.

 

[heavyiron]

Ok with corrections :


CITYHUNTER???S 10 WEEKS CYCLE 600mg T Enanthate


Cycle :


Sunday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Monday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)

Tuesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 300mg Enanthate /1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Wednesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Thursday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Friday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin /300mg Enanthate / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

Saturday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)



Post Cycle Therapy :

2 weeks waiting the esters clear out with 2 injections of HCG. 1000iu HCG on monday and 1000iu on saturday

100/75/50/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day during 3 weeks and the week 4, 50mg taken once per day) (is it enough???????)

20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
10g creatine daily

1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

That will work brother.

 

[dgp]

^What hoyle21 said

 

[CityHunter]

Might want to kick start with an oral. Test E is going to 3-5 weeks to kick in. If you need quicker results for the effort of sticking an inch and a half long needle in your ass twice a week might want to do it.

Run an oral kicker for 5 weeks.

Thanks but no thanks!

 

[CityHunter]

That will work brother.

Thx heavy!

 

[justhav2p]

I still say 500 mgs test a week is plenty for first cycle... MOAR IS LESS....