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oh thats not fair...moe knows everyone here has his back...gdi. It's not about that..it's about the potential for misinformation as well.
I've seen enough..."oh shit, I waited too long and the color isn't accurate" posts to know this is an interesting tool but not the panacea its being made out to be
 
I agree but I would like to see the results.

This Message Was Sent By ME!!!!!
 
I seriously doubt the company I rep for has done the testing..and it isn't about that
but I resent the insinuation
 
Ok, my last post in this thread. Maybe the last on the forum depending on how this issue finally gets resolved.

Hiding information "i.e. censoring" helps no one. I don't care if it's the government or some internet board. There is a problem when people in authority think they know better and that the "average" person is ignorant or simply incapable of making informed decisions based on information.

Believe it or not -- most people following this thread fully understand what the test is, what it actually shows, and the chance that it may or may not be 100% accurate. That doesn't change the fact that we would like to see the info.

Yes, it may not be 100%. But we have seen enough from other boards and post (IML is not this first to discuss this) to show there is clearly positive results for some very well respected product.

We know it only shows if the compound is present and does not tell if it is dosed properly -- guess what, I still want to know.

I was very glad to see heavyiron step into this thread last night. No offense to others, but he is the ONLY one with authority (or at least influence) that I trust here. He has consistently shown respect and integrity throughout all of the post I have read. I hope with his guidance this board can get this right. Censoring in not the answer. Come up with a protocol and let's start getting these results posted.

My last comment is that sponsors absolutely cannot know they are being tested. This completely defeats the purpose. Orders would need to be placed by someone unknown to the sponsor and without any indication that testing will be performed.

Good luck to everyone here. If the decision makers come up with a valid protocol that addresses all concerns, I am will to contribute $100 to the cause.
 
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Mike Arnold said:
Again two paragraphs of BS to say you need to protect sponsors . No test is 100%. The standard blood test on this site that is supported by HeavyIron has a failure rate. I have proven it myself with my script Test Cyp. I test very low every time.

It doesn't mean that his test shouldn't be used , it means buyers need to look at ALL the information to make an informed decision.

Currently there is information available that the members aren't capable of even seeing to make their decision. That's shitty man.
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I don't give two fucks about protecting ANY sponsor. It is not part of my job and at no point has this subject EVER come up in relation to me being a Mod here, either from my superiors or otherwise. You have now accused me and my friends of underhanded behavior and for that you can fuck off. You come on here with all your big claims, but all you are doing is showing yourself to be a fool by throwing out accusations against people that don't deserve them, while claiming to know shit you have no idea about. Nearly everything you've said in this thread has been 1st class bullshit through and through. Everyone is free to have their own opinions, but when you start accusing me and others of under-handed actions without a shred of fucking evidence, you are going down a bad road.

To the point, only a MORON puts stock in a new testing method without first verifying its reliability and understanding how it works. That is why the results aren't being posted yet. Everyone here knows they can pull up all of these results with a simple google search, so what is being hidden? Nothing. Intelligent people first make an effort to educate themselves about the topic at hand before taking a stand. If you can't give the people who run this site time to do so, we really don't give a shit. If this testing method turns out to be a genuinely useful tool everyone here will be happy for it, including the Mods.
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^^ what Mike said :lol:
 
hoyle21 said:
HeavyIron, I'm on my phone, but I'll send you links when things calm down for the holidays. For the most part not a lot of surprises. Mexgear is pure oil, but we all new that. Lots of companies selling Test Prop. as other products. No surprise there, we all new that was going on.

Some labs on this board failed. I have yet to see a failed Asia Pharma test, and some other popular labs haven't been tested from what I can see.
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Assuming the resulrs are legit, this is because WP kicks ass!
 
Mike Arnold said:
hoyle21 said:
I don't give two fucks about protecting ANY sponsor. It is not part of my job and at no point has this subject EVER come up in relation to me being a Mod here, either from my superiors or otherwise. You have now accused me and my friends of underhanded behavior and for that you can fuck off. You come on here with all your big claims, but all you are doing is showing yourself to be a fool by throwing out accusations against people that don't deserve them, while claiming to know shit you have no idea about. Nearly everything you've said in this thread has been 1st class bullshit through and through. Everyone is free to have their own opinions, but when you start accusing me and others of under-handed actions without a shred of fucking evidence, you are going down a bad road.

To the point, only a MORON puts stock in a new testing method without first verifying its reliability and understanding how it works. That is why the results aren't being posted yet. Everyone here knows they can pull up all of these results with a simple google search, so what is being hidden? Nothing. Intelligent people first make an effort to educate themselves about the topic at hand before taking a stand. If you can't give the people who run this site time to do so, we really don't give a shit. If this testing method turns out to be a genuinely useful tool everyone here will be happy for it, including the Mods.
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I'm sure this post got you two free vials. Congrats!
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^^^^^
Nice attempt at diversion, but to obvious. Next time, at least make it look like you have a rebuttal.
 
It wasn't a diversion, it was joke. We all know you don't lift.

But in the spirit of full disclosure would you care to tell us what brand if legal placebo's you are currently peddling?
 
i have searched pretty hard over the net and other then the guy on meso with the pics in his first post...where are all these results??...there is one guy on PM who stats a few ugl names that didnt pass but has no proof other then what he posted...another guy on there(Perfecto)has claims against certain ugls but declines to post info(or cant idk)but even stats its very difficult to determine between the colors on most compounds other then 2..which was prop and one other..

if anyone has test results that shows defined results please pm them too me..clearly that would need to include pics since that is one of the determining factors..would like too see what the difference in color is..maybe that one guy is blind or needs glasses..who knows..

and for all the posters who want to ride the cover up train and post stupid accusations..your defiantly not helping your cause..so pony up some real results via pm and stop acting like a 6 yr old who hasn't gotten there way..
 
I like being defiant!
 
Okay, so this looks like a simple reagent test. Thankfully I did reagent testing for about 12 plus years when I was younger. I'm pretty sure everyone knows about litmus paper. I learned about it in elementary school. Its a similar concept. Later in my 20's I got a job that required reagent testing. I have used reagents a TON in my life. Some reagents even test parts per million if you have a comparator. Looks like this test just tests positive or negative so its somewhat simple.

The main issue with reagent testing is the colors tend to darken within minutes so yellow may turn orange or pink to purple etc while a guy goes to grab his camera to take the verification images. This is problematic unless the testing is video taped. We may have to consider implementing a video tape rule unless someone is super qualified to do reagent testing. Additionally I would sometimes see a reagent test fail due to the presence of chlorine. Chlorine can bleach the solution therefore the resulting solution would be clear instead of colored. I highly doubt that anyone would put chlorine in the products being tested but I think members should understand the limitations of reagent testing. Also the samples must be handled in a clean environment using gloves as your hands can sometimes contaminate the testing. I observed this years ago when testing the PH of solutions.

I want the lab testing rules to be used for these tests ( http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/l...ing-forum-rules-must-read-before-posting.html) but we may need additional rules and certainly a description of the limitations of the testing method in the posts as to not confuse someone that may misunderstand what the tests are able to measure. We also need to know when the product was purchased and tested as a lab may have corrected an older batch making the result less practical.

Lets all brain storm on some testing guidelines and get the ball rolling.

Thanks!
 
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
 
hoyle21 said:
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
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i cant wait somebody make it and do lab testing
i already sent to that lab guy some primobolan depot amps bayer schering,also anadrol anapolon and some hgh humantropin !
later i will send also some asia pharma and British dragon ..but i hope some regualr customer will make testing home so we can see!
i was always honest..so lets see what lab tests will show..
but i can still say this lab tests cant show how pure is gear,if any metals or bacteria is there and other shit that can not be in gear and oils we inject and take!
 
hoyle21 said:
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
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I agree with you!! Even if there saying it doesnt show how potent it is why aren't other sources open about getting there stuff tested?

WP for the win
 
afg24 said:
I agree with you!! Even if there saying it doesnt show how potent it is why aren't other sources open about getting there stuff tested?

WP for the win
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i am honest guy and i know for each product i sale in my shop that is GMP made and cant be failed with any lab testing..no WAY!
 
hoyle21 said:
It wasn't a diversion, it was joke. We all know you don't lift.

But in the spirit of full disclosure would you care to tell us what brand if legal placebo's you are currently peddling?
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More diversion, but I'll bite. For someone who left serious lifting behind when I started a family 13 years ago, overhead pressing 300 X 9 (which I did yesterday) isn't so bad, especially after having 2 sets of surgeries in September and just starting to lift again about 6 weeks ago. I will let you know whne I hit 315 lbs X 10.
 
hoyle21 said:
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
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It tells us what everyone has always known...that penty of UGL gear is either under-dosed or bunk. Did you just figure this out?
 
Mike Arnold said:
It tells us what everyone has always known...that penty of UGL gear is either under-dosed or bunk. Did you just figure this out?
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Unfortunately had lot of trust in a lab that came out as bs so safe to say I dont think ill ever go ugl.
 
hoyle21 said:
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
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Actually if you read HI's post on the rules..the tested product is to be purchased....so volunteering is noble and I give WP props...Big True props..idk maybe it could be a sales driver for companies...who want to be tested of course..
 
I been trying to stay outta this one but i just can't anymore.:) First i will say this board has gotten out of whack. It's watered down with sponsors and watered down with some people that are just plain morons who like to start shit. No secret that this can be a dirty game but it has gotten out of control. There are some pretty dirty tactics used by sponsors nowadays to try and make other look bad instead of working hard to make themselves look good. Its one thing to hold a sale but a different thing to have new accounts made up slinging shit and bullshit about others. The main sources on here are just that the main sources and they have been that for a reason. They have weathered the storm and treated people right. Those are the MLG's, the OPs, AY, WP and i like to think AMA. They all serve a purpose and all offer something different to the board. Their success breeds envy and jealousy to some. Fucking suckers. Its competitive. Dont get me wrong but it can be done in a healthy way and one that doesnt hurt the board and the membership. Im not going to say its all rosey and we all get along 100% of the time. Ive had it out with a few of those guys and im sure some dont like me. But i will tell you with 100% honesty i respect the people i mentioned and i dont have any doubts they do their best to provide the best products and customer service that available to them. To insinuate that anyone is trying to fuck anyone over here and especially that it is being sanctioned or ok'd be the people who run this site or covered up by the mods is just plain fucking idiotic.... Ok im done with that part of my soap box

As far as this new test kit goes. Blahhh. Its a pretty crude test and no one really knows much about and no one has proven that they used it with the sources they are claiming they used it on and if so if it was done correctly. Some of us our lucky enough to have access to mass specs and there are trusted folks on here that also do this 3rd party. Thats the way to go. Any tool that will help the members is a good thing but I agree with Heavy it needs to be in a controlled environment. Once this gets figured on how to do this throw our name in the hat. Aint nothing to hide here. We know what the mass specs read :) So smell our balls to get to know us but you better smell em right or you might get bit. A suggestion would be whatever sponsors agree to this testing reimburse the tester. Have whoever is testing (someone hopefully set up by Heavy or someone of that kind of trust) order like a normal customer test the results and then say, hey we are going to or we did test your XXXX product and they be reimbursed. Just a thought. Anyways Hope you all had a good Christmas and hopefully in the New Year we can all do out part to get this board back on track.
 
hoyle21 said:
I love the fact that only one sponsor here has shown he actually wants this done.

What does that tell you folks?
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I don't think it shows much. Haven't commented on this thread yet, but we have no issue with testing, provided it's done by a very respected person. If a mod or admin wants to test us out without us knowing, it's fine by us. I actually doubt that there are many sponsors selling totally fake gear. The raw materials are so cheap. Some might underdose, but would be surprised if more than 1 or 2 sponsors send out fake product.
 
Why does it matter if heavy or any other mod tests it. If you buy gear you can test it. If it's good it doesn't matter what your screen name is. And if it's shit post the results for everyone to see. 2-3 guys test the same source and it shoes up bad that source is done for anyway.
 
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